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  • RFNK
    Port Stephens, Australia
    • Feb 2007
    • 26995

    #16
    Re: NZ Elections

    Is Barnaby running?

    Rick
    Rick

    Lean and nosey like a ferret

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    • normil
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2012
      • 206

      #17
      Re: NZ Elections

      Originally posted by Chris249
      Wow, sexist neanderthals DO still exist.
      Yep, but some of us are clever enough to keep it to ourselves
      "The man who makes no mistakes does not usually make anything." Edward John Phelps
      “It is your attitude, more than your aptitude, that will determine your altitude.” Zig Ziglar

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      • Chip-skiff
        Wolves Without Borders
        • Jan 2008
        • 22840

        #18
        Re: NZ Elections

        One bit I've never understood, given his heritage, is Peters's evident hostility to the Mäori Party and to Mäori in politics.



        The US has characters such as Justice Clarence Thomas, who seems biased against black people. Is Peters that sort?

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        • normil
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2012
          • 206

          #19
          Re: NZ Elections

          I had hoped this little chat would veer more toward the "President" part of the OP(?) as in NZ being a Republic (or whatever it is that Presidents are president of) rather than being a British Colony or Australia's baby sister. We may well be a group of islands in the Pacific, but we are not "Pacific Islanders" even though most of them seem to be here. I chose Winston for no other reason than he seems to be the only MP who has the necessary pluck/spunk to make such a radical change. What say you?

          Cheers

          Norm
          "The man who makes no mistakes does not usually make anything." Edward John Phelps
          “It is your attitude, more than your aptitude, that will determine your altitude.” Zig Ziglar

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          • Mcjim
            Senior Member
            • Mar 2011
            • 558

            #20
            Re: NZ Elections

            "I think that the incumbents need to go take a break, but I'm not sure about any possible coalition as a replacement." - JW

            I think you have summed up the feeling of much of the country. Plan A is getting stale but Plan B is still undercooked.

            (Now I am thinking about cakes. Better than politics anyway)

            Mike

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            • Chris249
              Senior Member
              • Jun 2013
              • 3316

              #21
              Re: NZ Elections

              Originally posted by normil
              Yep, but some of us are clever enough to keep it to ourselves
              Clever people don't make stupid comments such as saying that women are too soft and then "supporting" that ridiculous claim by excluding the women who disprove it.

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              • normil
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2012
                • 206

                #22
                Re: NZ Elections

                Originally posted by Chris249
                Clever people don't make stupid comments such as saying that women are too soft and then "supporting" that ridiculous claim by excluding the women who disprove it.
                My comment was supposed to be self-deprecating, sorry you missed it
                "The man who makes no mistakes does not usually make anything." Edward John Phelps
                “It is your attitude, more than your aptitude, that will determine your altitude.” Zig Ziglar

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                • robm
                  Senior Member
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 3459

                  #23
                  Re: NZ Elections

                  What say you?
                  As a Canadian in a roughly similar country politically (a parliamentary constitutional monarchy with Queen Elizabeth II as our nominal head of state), I say don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Robert Mugabe got elected - once. GW Bush got elected - almost. Donald Trump got elected - kind of. It is far from the worst possible system, and it shows remarkable resilience and adaptability as the world changes.

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                  • Phil Y
                    Banned
                    • Apr 2010
                    • 21066

                    #24
                    Re: NZ Elections

                    Originally posted by RFNK
                    Is Barnaby running?

                    Rick
                    They can have him, hey bro?

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                    • john welsford
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2002
                      • 7764

                      #25
                      Re: NZ Elections

                      Originally posted by normil
                      I had hoped this little chat would veer more toward the "President" part of the OP(?) as in NZ being a Republic (or whatever it is that Presidents are president of) rather than being a British Colony or Australia's baby sister. We may well be a group of islands in the Pacific, but we are not "Pacific Islanders" even though most of them seem to be here. I chose Winston for no other reason than he seems to be the only MP who has the necessary pluck/spunk to make such a radical change. What say you?

                      Cheers

                      Norm
                      If it were up to me I'd give him the job of governor of the Auckland Islands, required to be in residence for the full term, with no cellphone or radio.
                      Being as no one lives there, he wouldn't need any staff for his office, could spend his days fishing. On his own.

                      John Welsford
                      An expert is but a beginner with experience.

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                      • OliverBendix
                        Senior Member
                        • Feb 2012
                        • 126

                        #26
                        Re: NZ Elections

                        Originally posted by RFNK
                        Is Barnaby running?

                        Rick
                        No, we have sufficient Joyces of our own...

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                        • normil
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2012
                          • 206

                          #27
                          Re: NZ Elections

                          Originally posted by Chip-skiff
                          One bit I've never understood, given his heritage, is Peters's evident hostility to the Mäori Party and to Mäori in politics.



                          The US has characters such as Justice Clarence Thomas, who seems biased against black people. Is Peters that sort?

                          "Hostility" might be a bit strong of a word as yet, more an annoyance or irritation that a group with so little to offer is so well rewarded as I said earlier about Maori being pandered to as though we owe them a living (depending who you talk to, and who is honest about it). Beats me why the NZ taxpayer should be forking out for Maori's petty grievances when their beef should be with the British Crown? What's that line about "the sins of the fathers being visited on the children"?
                          I sometimes suspect that Maori hold little workshops all over the country periodically to re-invent their "culture" to qualify for another hand-out.
                          I hear that Maori language is now compulsory in schools ? What a crock! My basic smattering of Latin has served be far better than anything I ever learnt about Maori. Besides, the language is not pretty (spitting consonants like a cantankerous child) and the "culture" has no value in the real world outside of the mud-eye (spell-check didn't like the way I spelled it).
                          I'm sure the USA didn't get to be "the greatest Nation on Earth" (albeit self-proclaimed) by embracing the Sioux or the Cherokee or the Eskimos or whoever, any more than Australia became what it is today by embracing the Aborigines. How can we ever hope to be a First World Nation if we let third-world cultures (native and imported) drag us back to the dark ages?
                          There must be a million stories of how Maori are creaming it off the NZ taxpayer: Funny how $800k made some voodoo ghost disappear so we could put a road through? Land that the early settlers made productive has often become a "sacred Site" because some mythical ancestor supposedly took a dump there. They tried to claim ownership of the Wellington waterfront until they learnt it was all reclaimed land. They want to claim ownership of the foreshore and seabed so they can exact a fee from all who cross it. Un-effin-believable! And we let this happen?

                          That's my rant for a while

                          Cheers

                          Norm
                          "The man who makes no mistakes does not usually make anything." Edward John Phelps
                          “It is your attitude, more than your aptitude, that will determine your altitude.” Zig Ziglar

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                          • normil
                            Senior Member
                            • Nov 2012
                            • 206

                            #28
                            Re: NZ Elections

                            Originally posted by john welsford
                            If it were up to me I'd give him the job of governor of the Auckland Islands, required to be in residence for the full term, with no cellphone or radio.
                            Being as no one lives there, he wouldn't need any staff for his office, could spend his days fishing. On his own.

                            John Welsford

                            Yep. Living the dream!?
                            "The man who makes no mistakes does not usually make anything." Edward John Phelps
                            “It is your attitude, more than your aptitude, that will determine your altitude.” Zig Ziglar

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                            • Chris249
                              Senior Member
                              • Jun 2013
                              • 3316

                              #29
                              Re: NZ Elections

                              Originally posted by normil
                              My comment was supposed to be self-deprecating, sorry you missed it
                              Okay. There are other men out there who are happy to be derogatory towards women and some of us think we should speak out against it.

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                              • OliverBendix
                                Senior Member
                                • Feb 2012
                                • 126

                                #30
                                Re: NZ Elections

                                Originally posted by john welsford
                                I like Ardern, but remember that we're not electing just a Party leader, we're electing a party, and the team behind her seems a bit thin to me.
                                Unproven team, I suppose. Certainly, the English/Joyce etc combo can say they have plenty of experience. I'm still ready for a change, and have always been a lefty voter anyway.

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