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    Default Taking odds on when Brannon is gone.

    Given Trump's past week and now yesterday with crazy messages and vague leadership on domestic terrorism. Trump tweeter is silent today along with Chef of Staff refusing to state support of Bannon. If Trump didn't play golf this morning and watched his morning shows - it is only a few hours before he starts to round the wagons on his own narcissism and shed those who made him look bad again.

    I am staking 2:1 on Brannon's firing/departure on Thursday.
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    I am not optimistic that he will go. I think he represents Trump's core support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CWSmith View Post
    I am not optimistic that he will go. I think he represents Trump's core support.
    I think Bannon's convinced Trump he represents the core support.

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    I think Bannon is partway correct then.

    Once again, Trump is using an incident as an opportunity to test his own party's members' loyalty to him.

    Trump is remaking the Republican party into one devoted to the leadership, not to a set of ideas which can be led by a variety of possible candidates. Just like health care, just like the Muslim ban, just like the ratcheting of North Korea rhetoric, this is intended to window out the wheat and chaff within his own support base.

    It is indeed about accelerating a slide into authoritarianism, and a retreat from Constitutional authority as the Supreme object of national devotion.
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    Certainly Bannon represents Trump's core supporters. I don't think it makes him bullet proof in Trump's eyes. But I think he hangs around longer.

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    Does Trump show any loyalty to any one? If he realises that his far right bigoted base is a liability, will he show them any gratitude for voting hil into the White House?
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    He has nobody else, by now. Look at the list of Republican leaders who have publicly taken Trump to task for his equivocal "condemnation" of this weekends's violent alt.right rallies.

    It is all he will have left. I think that is the intent for Bannon and Gorka. Fascists rarely had full societal majorities, they had a minority of hard liners and a plurality of the intimidated and opportunistic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomF View Post
    He has nobody else, by now. Look at the list of Republican leaders who have publicly taken Trump to task for his equivocal "condemnation" of this weekends's violent alt.right rallies.

    It is all he will have left. I think that is the intent for Bannon and Gorka. Fascists rarely had full societal majorities, they had a minority of hard liners and a plurality of the intimidated and opportunistic.
    Is "opportunistic" code for ignorant or Stupid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoeyawl View Post
    Is "opportunistic" code for ignorant or Stupid?
    Stupid, like the European establishment who thought that the far right could control the communists and socialists, whilst they themselves could control the far right. We all know how the latter part of that worked out.
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    Code for craven. Selfish. Those who wish to turn a purge or a demonstration of power into something playing to their own advantage.

    I suspect that some of Hitler's supporters didn't really give much thought to antisemitism etc, just to riding a wave for their own benefit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomF View Post
    Code for craven. Selfish. Those who wish to turn a purge or a demonstration of power into something playing to their own advantage.

    I suspect that some of Hitler's supporters didn't really give much thought to antisemitism etc, just to riding a wave for their own benefit.
    That didn't work out so well did it...

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    Long term, not so much.
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    ^ My point entirely, hidden by the avoidance of Godwin.
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    If Trump loses Brietbart and Drudge, he's lost his base.

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    Bannon is the president's superego.

    He stays 'til the end.
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    WaPo is surmising that Kelly will push Bannon out soon. Charlottesville was the last straw.
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    I'll believe Bannon might be going out when the tweeting stops. He's writing the tweets, guys. Trump's brain is fried.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elf View Post
    I'll believe Bannon might be going out when the tweeting stops. He's writing the tweets, guys. Trump's brain is fried.
    Well, no tweets today, so...

    Agree that he does not write them, at least not the statements yesterday, I do not think that "egregious" is a natural part of his vocabulary.

    Eta: Perhaps Charlottesville will prove to be the last straw for Kelly.
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    I'll take ten on that.

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    Default Re: Taking odds on when Brannon is gone.

    What am I missing? Why would Bannon be going?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boater14 View Post
    What am I missing? Why would Bannon be going?
    Because these White Power "protesters" are his guys. The Richard Spencers, the other "alt.right" guys who use Breitbart as a broadsheet and a gathering point.

    Trump's team may now feel the need to pivot, and to have Trump use Pence's stronger language which condemns White Supremacy groups by specific name. It's going to be important if they're going to maintain the fundraising capacity they'll want with the other parts of the Republican coalition. If Trump's going to maintain any kind of relationship with the Paul Ryan wing of the party, they may feel the need to make a blood offering.

    Personally, I don't think Trump will do that. I think he may use some specific words today, but that he's going to keep Bannon, Gorka and Miller in prominent positions exactly to send dog whistles to the alt.right part of his base. If anything, I think he's going to look for ways to set tests of loyalty for the Paul Ryan wing, just as he has for McConnell, to bring them to heel. Trump's version of the Republican party is based on a pragmatic personal allegiance to The Strongman Leader, rather than to a set of ideas. That's why it meshes so well with neo-Nazi and other alt.right groups, because that has always been the Fascist orientation.
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    Our current president knew Bannon's background when he hired him. Unless Charlottesville tanks his poll numbers, Bannon will continue to infect the administration. Bigotry is DNA deep in our current president, look at his father's record.

    If Bannon gets exposed as a leaker, however, all bets are off.
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    "The leaders of four minority House caucus groups have written a letter to President Donald Trump calling for the removal of White House staff aides Steve Bannon, Stephen Miller and Sebastian Gorka."

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    Default Re: Taking odds on when Brannon is gone.

    I'm not going to bet--there are good odds that Bannon will die of terminal pimples before Trumph throws him to the wolves.


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    I think that Bannon will be one of the last to be tossed out. Especially if he's a "leaker."

    His own odious connections into the alt.right are too effective, and his own knowledge of where bodies will have been buried too extensive. Even if he becomes one of Trump's "enemies," he'll be one who Trump will wish to "keep closer."
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomF View Post
    I think that Bannon will be one of the last to be tossed out. Especially if he's a "leaker."

    His own odious connections into the alt.right are too effective, and his own knowledge of where bodies will have been buried too extensive. Even if he becomes one of Trump's "enemies," he'll be one who Trump will wish to "keep closer."
    How about when he gets called to the Grand Jury?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    How about when he gets called to the Grand Jury?
    We will see how deep Bannon's commitment to the alt.right anti-Government stuff goes, I guess. I'd been giving him the benefit of the doubt, and assuming that while he might wrestle a little, that he'd prefer to go to jail for contempt and hope for a pardon than to give up his stuff to the Deep State.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomF View Post
    We will see how deep Bannon's commitment to the alt.right anti-Government stuff goes, I guess. I'd been giving him the benefit of the doubt, and assuming that while he might wrestle a little, that he'd prefer to go to jail for contempt and hope for a pardon than to give up his stuff to the Deep State.
    Fat chance, when the Pardoner-in-Chief is in the docket next.
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    It's all about sequencing the events, eh?
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