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    That so blatantly disrespects the office of the President?


    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/1...ww.google.com/
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    It is a bit like respecting the Uniform whilst recognising that it might be buttoned up around a total aerosol.

    May be keeping silent about the present incumbents total incompetence is actually doing the US a disservice.
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    The greatest disrespecter of the office is the present office holder. And that said it's likely the authority of the office, being now imbibed with a pseudo-royal mystique, is a problem in itself.

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    Excuse me? Did you actually read it? Are you sure the link connect to the same article you're talking about? How exactly do the authors 'blatantly disrespect the office of the President'? It seems a detailed and factual arguable about US relations with China, about things Mr Trump is actually doing. If you think he's doing something stupid you wont get any argument from me, but what does that have to do with the office he currently holds?
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    Given Keith, but I think Jacks op ed does raise an interesting anomaly between the authorities of the Office and the accountability of it's holder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B_B View Post
    LOL, Keith, you're so credulous.
    God knows I've been fooled often enough. So was he being sarcastic? How can you tell?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jack grebe View Post
    That so blatantly disrespects the office of the President?


    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/1...ww.google.com/
    Trump beat you to it Jack!

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    No.I was not being sarcastic, and you also, in your reply showed the same disrespect......

    How many times in that article did the writer refer to the President as " Mr. " Trump and
    Not by President Trump, not even the commonly acceptable term of Mr. President......


    It just goes to show his, and anyone who defends this type of action, disrespect...... Not to the
    man, but to the very office of the president....
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    Quote Originally Posted by jack grebe View Post
    No.I was not being sarcastic, and you also, in your reply showed the same disrespect......

    How many times in that article did the writer refer to the President as " Mr. " Trump and
    Not by President Trump, not even the commonly acceptable term of Mr. President......


    It just goes to show his, and anyone who defends this type of action, disrespect...... Not to the
    man, but to the very office of the president....
    When he deserves it!

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    The man nowelected degrades the authority and the respect due to the office by his occupation of it. It might be some time before it is regained. But the 'disrespect' started some time ago for exactly the same reasons.
    It's about time the US got over it's desire for a pseudo-royal family. You cannot have it both ways.

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    Pretty subtle form of disrespect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S.V. Airlie View Post
    When he deserves it!
    Thanks for validating my point..... Only an idiot confuses
    a person with an office......
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    Actually, Jack made no point in respect to the veracity or sagacity of the article. In that respect he shows the same level of respect for reasoned opinion and Mister President Trump shows in his tweets, executive orders, and bully threats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack grebe View Post
    Thanks for validating my point..... Only an idiot confuses
    a person with an office......
    Sorry, Trump confuses the office with himself. He thinks the office should get the respect he thinks he deserves just because he holds the office Jack

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    My. Trump is certainly better than plain "Obama" or "Clinton" - which is what most of the right wing sites do.

    I thought it was a polite article outlining what's going on. I gotta ask though: You're worried about "Mr." instead of "President" when the president is doing the crazy stuff he's doing? Does President Trump treat anyone with respect or courtesy? Chanting "Lock her up" is respectful? One has to earn respect and all President Trump has done is earn thinking people's disgust.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jack grebe View Post
    That so blatantly disrespects the office of the President?


    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/1...ww.google.com/
    The New York Times has a style guide that says you refer to all males as "Mr." regardless of their station in life. You apparently missed eight years of them referring to "Mr." Obama while he was in office. If the writer did not use "Mr.", the copy editor would have inserted it, because part of the job of the copy desk is to make sure the same style is followed throughout the paper.

    Here's an example of the use of Mr. Obama during his time in office:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/29/u...ype=collection

    One proposal Mr. Obama considered, as previously reported, was to destroy the compound with bombs capable of taking out any tunnels beneath. That would kill dozens of civilians in the neighborhood. But, the officials disclosed, the lawyers were prepared to deem significant collateral damage as lawful, given the circumstances. Still, the Obama team’s examination of the legal factors intertwined with policy concerns about the wisdom of that option, Mr. Donilon said.
    Now, why did it never bother you when the New York Times used that style for Mr. Obama, when it bothers you so much that they use the same style for Mr. Trump?

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    The NYT style is using "President" on the first reference, and "Mr." after, although sometimes the "President" is repeated. Many news organizations do not use "President" on first reference. Of course, Trump would think this is all about him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan McCosh View Post
    The NYT style is using "President" on the first reference, and "Mr." after, although sometimes the "President is repeated". Many news organizations do not use "President" on first reference. Of course, Trump would think this is all about him.
    That's how articles and journalists do this; First mention, entire title, any other mention, only the last name is used.

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    Of course, this leads to serial killers being politely called "Mr."

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    Want a little cheese with that whine.

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    I thought everyone knew about the naming precedents in the NYT style guideline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SMARTINSEN View Post
    Can you say nevermind?
    Never mind.........
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    Don't over-estimate Jack. He's purty damned 'talented'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan McCosh View Post
    The NYT style is using "President" on the first reference, and "Mr." after, although sometimes the "President" is repeated.
    That is something I never noticed before........ I stand corrected.
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