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    Take your both sides and jam it.

    Troops land in Normandy, plenty of violence on both sides.

    True but possibly the stupidest possible observation.

    Because the implication is that this moronic truth proves the moral equivalence of the two sides.

    Say that out loud if you have the guts which you don't which is why you say this both sides dog S.
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    https://thinkprogress.org/white-hous...-ddd587767d60/

    No one is quite sure what Sebastian Gorka, officially a deputy assistant to President Trump, actually does at the White House. This hasn’t stopped him, however, from being a near constant presence in the media.

    Wednesday, Gorka appeared on Breitbart News Daily, the radio show of his former employer. Gorka responded to criticism stemming from a previous media appearance on MSNBC where he said “[t]here’s no such thing as a lone wolf” attack. The concept, according to Gorka, was “invented by the last administration to make Americans stupid.”

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    Where is Sky Blue, or Noyes? Where are the Trump apologists who claimed that there is no actual validity to the observations that the alt.right actually includes Nazis for Trump. Actually includes KKK for Trump. Etc.

    Anyone want to make some argument that those flags in the marches and etc weren't the stars and bars, weren't Nazi swastika flags? And that they were not really meant literally by those marchers, but ironically and with winks and smiley faces? Maybe the car was meant ironically too, as a comment on ISIS extremism?

    This "let's use the incident to reveal loyalty" thing doesn't only work for Trump winnowing his definitions of wheat and chaff. The rest of us get to see when folks' masks drop too.
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    I seriously cannot believe people carry nazi flags here.

    That is insane.

    The confederate battle flag I can sort of understand, because while it is an enemy flag (an enemy of the union of the USA), it is also a domestic flag, eh? I don't understand why a person would rally behind it, but I can understand the pockets of left over memory and affection for the flag, eh? Grandpa fought under it, and all that jazz...

    But this nazi business? Carrying the flag of an army that tried to destroy this nation, and every other one on the planet, while proclaiming to love and defend this nation is absurd. Absurd.
    Who in this country has strong emotional family ties to the nazi flag? To WAVING the nazi flag?

    Wow.

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    From the link in #70
    Anthony Zurcher, BBC North America reporter
    Clues for how the president would react to such a situation were scattered across his presidential campaign.
    In February 2016, Mr Trump initially declined to disavow support from the Klu Klux Klan and David Duke, the former Klan leader who became a Louisiana Republican politician.
    "Any candidate who cannot immediately condemn a hate group like the KKK does not represent the Republican Party, and will not unite it," Senator Tim Scott of South Carolina, the first black Republican elected from a Southern state since 1881, said.
    After a week, Mr Trump gave a firm statement denouncing the KKK, but his initial hesitance would be an issue for the remainder of his presidential race.
    If, as Mr Trump's critics suggest, his statements following the Charlottesville incident were yet another "dog whistle" to white supremacists, there's evidence that the message was clearly heard.

    "Trump comments were good," one poster on the neo-Nazi website The Daily Stormer wrote. "He didn't attack us. He just said the nation should come together."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osborne Russell View Post
    Take your both sides and jam it.

    Troops land in Normandy, plenty of violence on both sides.

    True but possibly the stupidest possible observation.

    Because the implication is that this moronic truth implies the moral equivalence of the two sides.

    Say that out loud if you have the guts which you don't which is why you say this both sides dog S.
    I can see Trump waffling this one just for the attention

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    Quote Originally Posted by amish rob View Post
    I seriously cannot believe people carry nazi flags here.

    That is insane.

    The confederate battle flag I can sort of understand, because while it is an enemy flag (an enemy of the union of the USA), it is also a domestic flag, eh? I don't understand why a person would rally behind it, but I can understand the pockets of left over memory and affection for the flag, eh? Grandpa fought under it, and all that jazz...

    But this nazi business? Carrying the flag of an army that tried to destroy this nation, and every other one on the planet, while proclaiming to love and defend this nation is absurd. Absurd.
    Who in this country has strong emotional family ties to the nazi flag? To WAVING the nazi flag?

    Wow.

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    No. It is not.

    It is the flag of rich, old white men who committed mass treason in the name of racism.

    Please do not force me to mount a diatribe to convince you of this.

    We should have put an end to this in '65.
    That's 1865.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeG View Post
    I can see Trump waffling this one just for the attention
    Trump is a moral coward. He's well aware of what David Duke said to him:

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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    No. It is not.

    It is the flag of rich, old white men who committed mass treason in the name of racism.

    Please do not force me to mount a diatribe to convince you of this.



    That's 1865.
    Oz,
    My mom is from Kentucky, yo. Southern Kentucky, eh. They've taken me to see the Jefferson Davis Memorial. My mom's family lives on land continuously deeded since well before '65.

    I KNOW these people. They are MY people, too, just because I live out here. My blood. Shoot, I got great great grandma's bible with all the family history in it.

    I DO NOT in any way condone the confederacy. But, there is a difference between a flag great great grandad may have carried, and a flag nobody's grandparent would have carried.

    The confederate flags need to stop, too, but the Nazi flag is plain absurd.

    And all these hate filled white supremacist people got to go somewhere else with all that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amish rob View Post
    I seriously cannot believe people carry nazi flags here.

    That is insane.

    The confederate battle flag I can sort of understand, because while it is an enemy flag (an enemy of the union of the USA), it is also a domestic flag, eh? I don't understand why a person would rally behind it, but I can understand the pockets of left over memory and affection for the flag, eh? Grandpa fought under it, and all that jazz...

    But this nazi business? Carrying the flag of an army that tried to destroy this nation, and every other one on the planet, while proclaiming to love and defend this nation is absurd. Absurd.
    Who in this country has strong emotional family ties to the nazi flag? To WAVING the nazi flag?

    Wow.

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    We have neo-Nazis and Holocaust deniers in the UK and Europe, and the war was fought over our land, we had civilian relatives killed yet we still have Nazi sympathisers on our streets.
    Your country folk did not experience any of that until you hit the beaches of Normandy, and even then it was only some of your young men.
    1.5 million US service men were in the UK preparing for the Normandy landings out of a total US population of 130 million.
    As a nation you know nothing, so do not be surprised by the ignorance and bigotry on show in Charlottesville.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David G View Post

    just for historical accuracy... it was the Left who were the Nazi (National Socialist German Workers) party... and it was Republicans who fought against confederates and for reconstruction... but I'm totally sure that truth or historical accuracy makes no difference to meme makers.

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    So the Nazis waving swastika flags this weekend at the Unite the Right rallies were poorly educated on their symbols?

    Or perhaps did the Right extremists choose Right extremist symbols after all, and you can put that canard away, finally?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomF View Post
    So the Nazis waving swastika flags this weekend at the Unite the Right rallies were poorly educated on their symbols?
    do you think they are well educated, highly intelligent individuals with an excellent grasp of world history and events?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Noyes View Post
    just for historical accuracy... it was the Left who were the Nazi (National Socialist German Workers) party... and it was Republicans who fought against confederates and for reconstruction... but I'm totally sure that truth or historical accuracy makes no difference.
    I'm totally sure that truth or historical accuracy makes no difference, to YOU.
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    Trump needs to loudly denounce this and David Duke's comments specifically. If he let's it slide without comment it's tacit approval.

    Care to guess which way he falls??
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    The mere possession of any Nazi regalia should be outlawed. Our WWII dead are rolling in their graves. These people should be identified and their names and addresses published. We'll see how proud they are outside the security of the rabble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Noyes View Post
    just for historical accuracy... it was the Left who were the Nazi (National Socialist German Workers) party... and it was Republicans who fought against confederates and for reconstruction... but I'm totally sure that truth or historical accuracy makes no difference to meme makers.
    Are you ready to stand up against this crap Daniel? Will you denounce this alt-right and Nazi hatred?? Or are you gonna make ridiculous platitudes about which side people were on then? Which side are you on now??
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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    I'm totally sure that truth or historical accuracy makes no difference, to YOU.
    who?

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    In 2009, the United States Department of Homeland Security under the direction of then Secretary Janet Napolitano released a report titled “Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment.”

    The report warned White supremacist, right wing militias and sovereign citizen groups were gaining strength, becoming more dissatisfied, and that could quite possibly lead to violent incidents. The election of the nation’s first Black president, the country’s significant economic downturn and fears of more stringent gun laws were largely cited as reasons for concern. The report specifically mentioned terrorism, “White supremacists and violent anti-government groups,” and the response from Republican Party leaders was swift and vocal. They immediately objected to the use of the word “terrorism.”

    Rep. John Boehner criticized Secy. Napolitano saying the word “terrorist” should not be used “to describe American citizens who disagree with the direction Washington Democrats are taking our nation.”

    http://atlantadailyworld.com/2015/01...ic-terrorists/
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    Quote Originally Posted by G.Sherman View Post
    The mere possession of any Nazi regalia should be outlawed. Our WWII dead are rolling in their graves. These people should be identified and their names and addresses published. We'll see how proud they are outside the security of the rabble.

    Very true! We in America should outlaw anything that would make our war dead, Civil War or WWII roll in their graves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amish rob View Post
    Oz,
    My mom is from Kentucky, yo. Southern Kentucky, eh. They've taken me to see the Jefferson Davis Memorial. My mom's family lives on land continuously deeded since well before '65.

    I KNOW these people. They are MY people, too, just because I live out here. My blood. Shoot, I got great great grandma's bible with all the family history in it.

    I DO NOT in any way condone the confederacy. But, there is a difference between a flag great great grandad may have carried, and a flag nobody's grandparent would have carried.

    The confederate flags need to stop, too, but the Nazi flag is plain absurd.

    And all these hate filled white supremacist people got to go somewhere else with all that.

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    My great granddad DEFINITELY fought under that flag.

    I don't give a rippin' ratfreak if Jesus God Almighty fought under that flag.

    That is the flag that represents human bondage justified by racism through Old Testament pseudo-religion.

    THAT IS ALL.

    We should have crushed that cancer in 1865.

    Instead, we turned our backs on the Constitution and the Constitutional Rights of 10,000,000 new CITIZENS, and left them to be tortured, robbed, raped and/or killed by the self-same racist traitors we 'liberated' them from.

    Anybody who waves that flag is a Moron, a Racist, and Anti-Government Traitor or an ignorant, hoodwinked dupe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Noyes View Post
    do you think they are well educated, highly intelligent individuals with an excellent grasp of world history and events?
    I think that it is with good reason that the "alt.right" has taken up the Nazi salutes and symbols. As have their predecessor extremist Right wing groups wherever they've arisen since Hitler's day. They remember that the Nazis and their allied Fascists in Spain and Italy actually fought against communists in domestic politics. That the Nazis party's name did not mean, even at the time, what you truly wish it did. They were always extremists of the Right, and still are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Noyes View Post
    Very true! We in America should outlaw anything that would make our war dead, Civil War or WWII roll in their graves.
    OK.

    How is it that 150 years after the fact that you think that the men who fought under that flag are OUR dead?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    My great granddad DEFINITELY fought under that flag.

    I don't give a rippin' ratfreak if Jesus God Almighty fought under that flag.

    That is the flag that represents human bondage justified by racism through Old Testament pseudo-religion.

    THAT IS ALL.

    We should have crushed that cancer in 1865.

    Instead, we turned our backs on the Constitution and the Constitutional Rights of 10,000,000 new CITIZENS, and left them to be tortured, robbed, raped and/or killed by the self-same racist traitors we 'liberated' them from.

    Anybody who waves that flag is a Moron, a Racist, and Anti-Government Traitor or an ignorant, hoodwinked dupe.

    turned our backs on the constitution and new citizens?

    more like struggled and strove, in a time of slow sail or steam ship travel, limited telegraph communication and only printed newspapers with hand set type, struggled for decades, got dozens of African Americans elected to congress, but were defeated by the time, fatigue, the surviving southerners aided by Democrat/ immigrant strongholds/ urban centers in the north...

    and what's this "WE" anyway? were you there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    OK.

    How is it that 150 years after the fact that you think that the men who fought under that flag are OUR dead?
    That Flag? they are not. Only Union soldiers are "Our Dead"... and we all know that a great deal of the Democrat social sickness propagated on our instutions, even marriage, would make Our Dead roll in their graves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Noyes View Post
    just for historical accuracy... it was the Left who were the Nazi (National Socialist German Workers) party... and it was Republicans who fought against confederates and for reconstruction... but I'm totally sure that truth or historical accuracy makes no difference to meme makers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    We have neo-Nazis and Holocaust deniers in the UK and Europe, and the war was fought over our land, we had civilian relatives killed yet we still have Nazi sympathisers on our streets.
    Your country folk did not experience any of that until you hit the beaches of Normandy, and even then it was only some of your young men.
    1.5 million US service men were in the UK preparing for the Normandy landings out of a total US population of 130 million.
    As a nation you know nothing, so do not be surprised by the ignorance and bigotry on show in Charlottesville.
    Yes, Nick, in Europe a confederate flag would be as absurd as the Nazi flag here. Some Europeans may have ancestors who carried a Nazi flag, though, and it would stand to reason they may sympathize. At least with their relatives, eh?

    Same same as the confederate flag wavers here.
    Now, tell me my country didn't experience the confederate flag. That's one thing most other countries know nil about.

    It's all wrong. Mostly because these people aren't sympathizers or deniers, they are practitioners.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Osborne Russell View Post
    Stalin was a conservative because he fought the Nazis.
    you've never seen 2 liberals get into an argument about how to force other people to live?

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    Quote Originally Posted by amish rob View Post
    Yes, Nick, in Europe a confederate flag would be as absurd as the Nazi flag here. Some Europeans may have ancestors who carried a Nazi flag, though, and it would stand to reason they may sympathize. At least with their relatives, eh?

    Same same as the confederate flag wavers here.
    Now, tell me my country didn't experience the confederate flag. That's one thing most other countries know nil about.

    It's all wrong. Mostly because these people aren't sympathizers or deniers, they are practitioners.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Noyes View Post
    turned our backs on the constitution and new citizens?
    Yup.

    It's called the Black Holocaust. You should read up on it.

    The Nazi Holocaust ended when the war ended.

    The Black Holocaust STARTED when the war ended.



    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Noyes View Post
    more like struggled and strove, in a time of slow sail or steam ship travel, limited telegraph communication and only printed newspapers with hand set type, struggled for decades, got dozens of African Americans elected to congress, but were defeated by the time, fatigue, the surviving southerners aided by Democrat/ immigrant strongholds/ urban centers in the north...
    Sorry, dude, but I lost my Noyes Decoder Ring.

    You should look into The Great Compromise, and the election of 1876.


    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Noyes View Post
    and what's this "WE" anyway? were you there?
    It means I am an American.
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    Neo-nazis ever since Hitler's fall have been the staple of the extreme Right. For about 70 years, Daniel.

    BTW, how do you feel about the events in Charlottesville? Any clear statement you want to make? Maybe an Ivanka tweet you want to support, even before her father does?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Noyes View Post
    just for historical accuracy... it was the Left who were the Nazi (National Socialist German Workers) party... and it was Republicans who fought against confederates and for reconstruction... but I'm totally sure that truth or historical accuracy makes no difference to meme makers.
    Just for historical accuracy... just because the party was called the National Socialist German Workers party didn't make them lefties.

    National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus), more commonly known as Nazism (/ˈnɑːtsɪzəm, ˈnæ-/[1]), is the ideology and set of practices associated with the 20th-century German Nazi Party, Nazi Germany, and other far-right groups. Sometimes characterised as a form of fascism that incorporates scientific racism and antisemitism, Nazism's development was influenced by German nationalism (especially Pan-Germanism), the Völkisch movement and the anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary groups that emerged during the Weimar Republic after Germany's defeat in First World War.

    The Nazi Party's precursor, the Pan-German nationalist and antisemitic German Workers' Party, was founded on 5 January 1919. By the early 1920s, Adolf Hitler assumed control of the organization and renamed it the National Socialist German Workers' Party to broaden its appeal.

    National Socialism attempted to reconcile conservative, nationalist ideology with a socially radical doctrine. In so doing, it became a profoundly revolutionary movement—albeit a largely negative one. Rejecting rationalism, liberalism, democracy, the rule of law, human rights, and all movements of international cooperation and peace, it stressed instinct, the subordination of the individual to the state, and the necessity of blind and unswerving obedience to leaders appointed from above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Noyes View Post
    you've never seen 2 liberals get into an argument about how to force other people to live?
    Nope, only republicans are able to do that.

    Witness health care...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Noyes View Post
    That Flag? they are not. Only Union soldiers are "Our Dead"...
    Then why are you backing the use of that flag?



    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Noyes View Post
    and we all know that a great deal of the Democrat social sickness propagated on our instutions, even marriage, would make Our Dead roll in their graves.
    If this is even remotely true, why are the people who are against Democrats waving that flag?



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    Quote Originally Posted by isla View Post
    Just for historical accuracy... just because the party was called the National Socialist German Workers party didn't make them lefties.

    National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus), more commonly known as Nazism (/ˈnɑːtsɪzəm, ˈnæ-/[1]), is the ideology and set of practices associated with the 20th-century German Nazi Party, Nazi Germany, and other far-right groups. Sometimes characterised as a form of fascism that incorporates scientific racism and antisemitism, Nazism's development was influenced by German nationalism (especially Pan-Germanism), the Völkisch movement and the anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary groups that emerged during the Weimar Republic after Germany's defeat in First World War.

    The Nazi Party's precursor, the Pan-German nationalist and antisemitic German Workers' Party, was founded on 5 January 1919. By the early 1920s, Adolf Hitler assumed control of the organization and renamed it the National Socialist German Workers' Party to broaden its appeal.

    National Socialism attempted to reconcile conservative, nationalist ideology with a socially radical doctrine. In so doing, it became a profoundly revolutionary movement—albeit a largely negative one. Rejecting rationalism, liberalism, democracy, the rule of law, human rights, and all movements of international cooperation and peace, it stressed instinct, the subordination of the individual to the state, and the necessity of blind and unswerving obedience to leaders appointed from above.
    Scientific racism? That sounds exactly like the Old South, only they used he Bible, not science. . . . Which makes it a lot like David Duke.
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