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    Hmmmm.... an unannounced raid... gotta mean that there must be some damning evidence, to get that search warrant.

    “FBI agents raided the Alexandria home of President Trump’s former campaign chairman late last month, using a search warrant to seize documents and other materials,” the Washington Post reports.

    “Federal agents appeared at Paul Manafort’s home without advance warning in the predawn hours of July 26, the day after he met voluntarily with the staff for the Senate Intelligence Committee.”

    “The search warrant was wide-ranging and FBI agents working with special counsel Robert Mueller departed the home with various records.”
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    Did it come too late? A smart criminal would have long since sanitized the place.
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    Sweet.

    You go, Bob.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Dryfoot View Post
    Did it come too late? A smart criminal would have long since sanitized the place.
    Wrong.

    SMART criminals (while mostly an oxymoron, really) don't do ANY dirt or work at home.

    You don't poop where you eat.

    EVER.

    And, if you're really smart, you are never involved in dirt you can't separate yourself from, by at least two degrees. And, of course, never mess with folks you don't know, because you don't know...

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    "Hmmmm.... an unannounced raid... gotta mean that there must be some damning evidence, to get that search warrant"

    Norm,

    Your faith in the apolitical nature of the "system" is quaint. Without commenting on the politics per se, I sure wish I could share that faith.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ishmael View Post
    "Hmmmm.... an unannounced raid... gotta mean that there must be some damning evidence, to get that search warrant"

    Norm,

    Your faith in the apolitical nature of the "system" is quaint. Without commenting on the politics per se, I sure wish I could share that faith.
    how about some faith in bobby three sticks whose reputation is thus far beyond reproach through five decades of military and civil service?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ishmael View Post
    "Hmmmm.... an unannounced raid... gotta mean that there must be some damning evidence, to get that search warrant"

    Norm,

    Your faith in the apolitical nature of the "system" is quaint. Without commenting on the politics per se, I sure wish I could share that faith.
    Oh, but you CAN share that faith.

    All you have to do is purge your mind of all the garbage the seditious Republican Party has filled your head with since the Great Satan Ronald F Reagan ran for President.

    That's right.

    The FIRST AND FOREMOST aim of seditious propaganda is to convince people that their governmental institutions are corrupt.

    You fell for it.

    This is not to say that US governmental corruption does not exist, but to say with a straight face that the government is the enemy of the people is SEDITION.

    Plain and simple.





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    There's a lot of things they didn't tell me when I signed on with this outfit....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norman Bernstein View Post
    Hmmmm.... an unannounced raid... gotta mean that there must be some damning evidence, to get that search warrant.
    you sound like one of jurors we would all fear... "if he's accused of it, it must mean he's guilty"
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    Nah, PA - that's just your 'sour grapes' refluxing again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillip Allen View Post
    you sound like one of jurors we would all fear... "if he's accused of it, it must mean he's guilty"
    He sounds like an American Patriot, to me.

    He has faith in the professionalism and integrity of the FBI, and in Mueller.

    Mueller understands that this is not some trumped up, partisan garbage, but you don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by George Jung View Post
    Nah, PA - that's just your 'sour grapes' refluxing again.
    so, you say he's guilty based on the warrant?
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    Nah. I say yer full of it. Keep stirring, though - it's your one-trick pony.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillip Allen View Post
    so, you say he's guilty based on the warrant?
    Not to speak for the good Doctor, but no.

    Mueller knows this is not any sort of light entertainment, if he raided Manafort's house, there is a damned good reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillip Allen View Post
    so, you say he's guilty based on the warrant?
    Enough cause to get a warrant. If they find something to prove his guilt, he's probably guilty PA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillip Allen View Post
    so, you say he's guilty based on the warrant?
    Who said guilty? That's your word.
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    So, for a judge to sign a warrant there has to be evidence that would support it.

    Wonder what that is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    Not to speak for the good Doctor, but no.

    Mueller knows this is not any sort of light entertainment, if he raided Manafort's house, there is a damned good reason.
    You can bet they already know exactly what they were looking for and where to find it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoeyawl View Post
    You can bet they already know exactly what they were looking for and where to find it!
    yep
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    From the
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    That bastion balanced and unbiased reporting.


    The search warrant indicates investigators may have argued to a federal judge they had reason to believe Manafort could not be trusted to turn over all records in response to a grand jury subpoena.

    It could also have been intended to send a message to President Trump’s former campaign chairman that he should not expect gentle treatment or legal courtesies from Mueller’s team.

    "they had reason to believe Manafort could not be trusted to turn over all records" guess they learnt from dealing with a certain H. R. Clinton.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rum_Pirate View Post

    "they had reason to believe Manafort could not be trusted to turn over all records" guess they learnt from dealing with a certain H. R. Clinton.
    More likely a page from "Tricky Dick's" book. The bastion of Republican honesty.

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    Hahaha!! They're out in force, prancing (yes, prancing) around on their lil' ponies....

    You good ol' boys are soooo predictable!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoeyawl View Post
    More likely a page from "Tricky Dick's" book. The bastion of Republican honesty.
    Well they didn't learn from that otherwise they would have pre-dawn raided H.R.C.
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    What it means is that Mueller was able to present a convincing argument to a judge to issue a broad search warrant.

    No, PA, this does not presume guilt any more than if a warrant had been issued to search a suspected drug dealer's home, or a suspected murderer's home, or a suspected trafficker in child porn. It could be that Mueller was wrong. It could even be that Manafort wouldn't be the target of a prosecution in any case, but that information believed to be in Manafort's possession would be integral to a case against someone else.

    What it does mean, though, is that the guy who served with distinction as FBI director for 12 years under Presidents of each party felt convinced that he had sufficient reason to ask for a warrant, and a judge agreed. So both Mueller and the judge were convinced that there was enough smoke to justify looking for a fire.

    It may be that a side effect is that Manafort is also convinced by this action that he's not going to be subject to kid-glove treatment, but a judge will not have issued a warrant as an instrument of intimidation. You've got to know that a former FBI Director will not want to have evidence he might stumble across in that search ruled inadmissible because the warrant was obtained under dodgy and unconstitutional premises.
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    The good ol' boys are desperate for something/someone to distract from the trainwreck that is Trump and the Republican Congress.

    They tried Obama - too squeaky clean.

    Down to their last 'pawn'.... heeheehee!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomF View Post
    What it means is that Mueller was able to present a convincing argument to a judge to issue a broad search warrant.

    No, PA, this does not presume guilt any more than if a warrant had been issued to search a suspected drug dealer's home, or a suspected murderer's home, or a suspected trafficker in child porn. It could be that Mueller was wrong. It could even be that Manafort wouldn't be the target of a prosecution in any case, but that information believed to be in Manafort's possession would be integral to a case against someone else.

    What it does mean, though, is that the guy who served with distinction as FBI director for 12 years under Presidents of each party felt convinced that he had sufficient reason to ask for a warrant, and a judge agreed. So both Mueller and the judge were convinced that there was enough smoke to justify looking for a fire.

    It may be that a side effect is that Manafort is also convinced by this action that he's not going to be subject to kid-glove treatment, but a judge will not have issued a warrant as an instrument of intimidation. You've got to know that a former FBI Director will not want to have evidence he might stumble across in that search ruled inadmissible because the warrant was obtained under dodgy and unconstitutional premises.
    Rummy, PA and BB all know this. Makes 'em uncomfortable. See how they wiggle?
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    . . . a bunch of moles/agents in the very highest offices of the land 40 odd years ago . . .
    Please reassure me that this is sarcasm. We've been hearing claims that are almost as absurd from Trump supporters, so I wanted to make sure.
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    I am not going to say this in exactly the right way, but on NPR this week they said that Mr. Mueller had hired several experts on things like real estate law, the transfer of money from country to country, and governmental corruption and that these folks had left high paying positions with prestigious law firms to be involved in this investigation. The implication, in my mind, is that the investigation has some serious issues to look at in regard to the President's inner circle, specifically his and his family's business connections to Russian interests. The specifics mentioned were a period where Mr. Trump was coming back from bankruptcy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Jung View Post
    Rummy, PA and BB all know this. Makes 'em uncomfortable. See how they wiggle?
    Just to advise that you are incorrect in your assumption, as I am not 'uncomfortable' nor am I 'wriggling' for pointing out that the FBI appear to have learnt from the past when they raided Mr Manafort's house.
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    If they seized his laptop or iPad - there is much to mine. If he or his tried to do an exchange upon notice of investigation - those only increase the federal seek and search fury. He strikes me as a slick Willy who might have left his electronic crumb trail in obsured plain sight. Dontcha want to be a fly on that wall!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Hoppe View Post
    If they seized his laptop or iPad - there is much to mine. If he or his tried to do an exchange upon notice of investigation - those only increase the federal seek and search fury. He strikes me as a slick Willy who might have left his electronic crumb trail in obsured plain sight. Dontcha want to be a fly on that wall!
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    It would be nice to have some Trump supporters acknowledge that while there's been no publicly disclosed evidence of collusion (other than, arguably, Jr's emails about that June 2016 meeting), Manafort's search warrant was likely issued on the assumption that some such evidence might be found among the effects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rum_Pirate View Post
    Well they didn't learn from that otherwise they would have pre-dawn raided H.R.C.
    HRC isn't the topic.


    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/19/u...sia-trump.html

    Financial records filed last year in the secretive tax haven of Cyprus, where Paul J. Manafort kept bank accounts during his years working in Ukraine and investing with a Russian oligarch, indicate that he had been in debt to pro-Russia interests by as much as $17 million before he joined Donald J. Trump’s presidential campaign in March 2016.

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