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    Quote Originally Posted by jbgusa View Post
    Can you tell me the global temperature on October 11,2017at 4:00 p.m. EDT?
    Can you tell me what the terms Tropic, Temperate, and Arctic mean in terms of temperature?
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    Quote Originally Posted by twodot View Post
    No, you are misunderstanding global temperatures.
    To my understanding global temperatures are a set of temperatures forced lower than reality for years gone by and set on an erratically rising course to justify preconceived notions and political agendas. How do you describe them?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    Not an insult, a description. You ignorance of the topic does know no bounds.
    What is your scientific background? Same as Al Gore's?

    Quote Originally Posted by twodot View Post
    He's an odd fellow. He joined the forum not because of wooden boats, like everyone else here, but because he was googling Wyatt Earp.
    Is the use of Google and remaining on a found site somehow bad?

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    He claims to be far left, but uses talk radio phrases like "SJWs" and "warmistas."
    Does the provenance of a term matter? And I am far left.

    Quote Originally Posted by twodot View Post
    He thinks that AGW is a means to wealth distribution, but his understanding of AGW itself is next to nothing.
    I have read the Paris Climate Accords. Have you?

    Quote Originally Posted by twodot View Post
    He wants a discussion on global temperatures, but needs to educate himself first on trend versus variation, temperature anomaly versus absolute temperature, and climate versus weather.
    I know what those terms mean, and I know that the numbers are being mutilated by those with an agenda.

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    Like other conservatives here, he will view pointing out his ignorance as an assault, an affront, and trench deeper into sanctimony, rather than retreat.
    I am not a conservative and you have called names, not cited facts in response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    Can you tell me what the terms Tropic, Temperate, and Arctic mean in terms of temperature?
    Nothing. Those are zones that don't relate directly to temperature.

    The Tropical Zone is between the Tropic of Cancer on the north and tropic of Capricorn on the south. Within that zone there are some spotty areas of temperate and arctic conditions caused by elevation.

    The temperate zone in the north is from the Tropic of Cancer to the Arctic Circle, where there is one day of 24 hour daylight and one day of 24 hour darkness. The temperate zone in the south is from the Tropic of Capricorn to the Antarctic Circle, where there is one day of 24 hour daylight and one day of 24 hour darkness. There are spotty areas of arctic or antarctic conditions based mostly on elevation.

    The Arctic zone is from the Arctic Circle to the North Pole. The Antarctic zone is from the Antarctic Circle to the South Pole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbgusa View Post
    To my understanding global temperatures are a set of temperatures forced lower than reality for years gone by and set on an erratically rising course to justify preconceived notions and political agendas. How do you describe them?
    I have already described that you are unable to support your statements, likely because you know next to nothing about AGW.

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    Is the use of Google and remaining on a found site somehow bad?
    You appear to be a troll. That is not good. That a troll arrived here via Wyatt Earp is hilarious.

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    Does the provenance of a term matter? And I am far left.
    Doubtful. You appear to be a troll. And the terms are from right wing talk radio.

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    I have read the Paris Climate Accords.
    Then you can point to the passage stating that it is for wealth redistribution. But you won't, because you cannot.

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    I know what those terms mean, and I know that the numbers are being mutilated by those with an agenda.
    You couldn't support that statement if your life depended on it. And, it is doubtful that you know what the terms mean, based upon the silliness of your first posts.

    Quote Originally Posted by jbgusa View Post
    ...you have called names, not cited facts in response.
    This is what I mean by entrenching in sanctimony. You do not cite facts, repeatedly, but claim that I should do so in response. Now that you have been called names, you use that as justification to not provide facts. That is the way trolls work, quite elegant in its simplicity, really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twodot View Post
    I have already described that you are unable to support your statements, likely because you know next to nothing about AGW.
    It's a religion, not science.

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    You appear to be a troll. That is not good. That a troll arrived here via Wyatt Earp is hilarious.
    Do you know how Google works?

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    Doubtful. You appear to be a troll. And the terms are from right wing talk radio.
    I am here looking for debate, not trouble. I have a rather busy life as a lawyer.

    Quote Originally Posted by twodot View Post
    Then you can point to the passage stating that it is for wealth redistribution. But you won't, because you cannot.
    The portions dealing with the climate adjustment fund and its funding mechanism.

    Quote Originally Posted by twodot View Post
    You couldn't support that statement if your life depended on it. And, it is doubtful that you know what the terms mean, based upon the silliness of your first posts.
    I am not going to go back to find out what term you are talking about. I doubt even you remember.

    Quote Originally Posted by twodot View Post
    This is what I mean by entrenching in sanctimony. You do not cite facts, repeatedly, but claim that I should do so in response. Now that you have been called names, you use that as justification to not provide facts. That is the way trolls work, quite elegant in its simplicity, really.
    I am not sure how I'm supposed to answer that.

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    You have just demonstrated you really have no idea, if you can't tell the difference between religion and science.
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    "It's a religion, not science."

    That was his support for his earlier unsupportable statements.

    A brand new rabbit hole.

    The silly troll googled Wyatt Earp, and found a place to dig his rabbit holes to be chased down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbgusa View Post
    Can you tell me the global temperature on October 11,2017at 4:00 p.m. EDT?
    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    Can you tell me what the terms Tropic, Temperate, and Arctic mean in terms of temperature?
    Quote Originally Posted by jbgusa View Post
    Nothing. Those are zones that don't relate directly to temperature.
    And there we have it folks. Ignorance personified.


    Monthly average surface temperatures from 1961–1990.

    This is why we are conversing with a nuclear grade dingbat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbgusa View Post
    It's a religion, not science.
    Oddly enough, the world's scientists, in the form of every single major scientific body and national science academy in the world, disagree with you.

    Hmmmm, I wonder which of you is more likely to be right.
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    What are you doing about it?




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    This whole thread is like some sort of bazaar troll relay race. 20 pages maybe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CK 17 View Post
    This whole thread is like some sort of bazaar troll relay race. 20 pages maybe?
    I see we specialize in colorful insults here. Another example:
    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    Because he is a nuclear grade dingbat who has absolutely no idea what he is discussing?

    Your turn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CK 17 View Post
    This whole thread is like some sort of bazaar troll relay race. 20 pages maybe?
    Images in my mind of trolls running a race through the Izmir bazaar handing off hookahs instead of batons.
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    jbgusa, if they're calling you names, at least you're not in ignore... yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mmd View Post
    jbgusa, if they're calling you names, at least you're not in ignore... yet.
    Quote Originally Posted by jbgusa View Post
    Can you tell me the global temperature on October 11,2017at 4:00 p.m. EDT?
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    Not an insult, a description. You ignorance of the topic does know no bounds.

    Not an insult, a description.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmd View Post
    jbgusa, if they're calling you names, at least you're not in ignore... yet.
    Question is, and maybe this is for another thread, is someone better off being a "dingbat" or a "nuclear grade dingbat"?

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    Nuclear grade is special, up there with Nuclear Grade Plumb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbgusa View Post
    Can you tell me the global temperature on October 11,2017at 4:00 p.m. EDT?
    Approximately, sure, as soon as you define which datasets you wish to include and how you propose to define the "global temperature". But by way of demonstrating why this is a silly question, consider this: do you need to know the position of a particular cell in your little finger to the nearest nanometre in order to know whether your hand is rising or falling?

    What are you doing about it?




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    It doesn't really matter what jbgusasays or even believes. The planet doesn't care, the weather doesn't care, the climate doesn't care. His grandkids world will be badly impacted as will everyone else's And he won't be around anyhow so he only cares about how any attempts at mitigation will effect him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbgusa View Post
    Nothing. Those are zones that don't relate directly to temperature.

    The Tropical Zone is between the Tropic of Cancer on the north and tropic of Capricorn on the south. Within that zone there are some spotty areas of temperate and arctic conditions caused by elevation.

    The temperate zone in the north is from the Tropic of Cancer to the Arctic Circle, where there is one day of 24 hour daylight and one day of 24 hour darkness. The temperate zone in the south is from the Tropic of Capricorn to the Antarctic Circle, where there is one day of 24 hour daylight and one day of 24 hour darkness. There are spotty areas of arctic or antarctic conditions based mostly on elevation.

    The Arctic zone is from the Arctic Circle to the North Pole. The Antarctic zone is from the Antarctic Circle to the South Pole.
    Im curious by what you mean about the one day of 24 hour daylight etc?
    I might also point out that we are getting record breaking temperatures here and have been for a number of years now.
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    He thinks it's a religion, not science, JAFT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    Im curious by what you mean about the one day of 24 hour daylight etc?
    I might also point out that we are getting record breaking temperatures here and have been for a number of years now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    Im curious by what you mean about the one day of 24 hour daylight etc?
    He means that the Arctic and Antarctic Circles are defined as the latitude above (or below) which there is one day a year when the sun does not rise, and one day a year when the sun does not set. Essentially, 90 degrees minus the amount of the planet's axial tilt.

    What are you doing about it?




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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Orca View Post
    Oddly enough, the world's scientists, in the form of every single major scientific body and national science academy in the world, disagree with you.
    Thats because they are conspiring with China to destroy American coal miners jobs!!!

    How many times will I have to say this before everyone understands what is happening. Don't you get it? China and American coal miners. If China, NASA and the CSIRO can bring down American coal miners jobs they'll get heaps of stuff. HEAPS!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garret View Post
    Do you know exactly how many coal miners there are that are out of work? Please look it up - it's way fewer than you think. WAY fewer.
    I heard an interesting little piece the other day; there are more yoga instructors in the USA than coal miners.

    You see - that's what this debate has been reduced to - yoga instructors!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsie View Post
    I heard an interesting little piece the other day; there are more yoga instructors in the USA than coal miners.

    You see - that's what this debate has been reduced to - yoga instructors!
    More Sears sales associates than coal miners too. We all know what's happening to Sears...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Noyes View Post
    interesting, but dont' the experts have a "vested interest" in their own funding? I wonder if there are any Scientific Studies done that explore how sensational headlines in the press and public hysteria affect public and private funding for related research?.
    Exactly!

    China the CSIRO and NASA will get Heaps!!!
    You seem to be the only person who gets this Dan - if the globe is warming scientists get heaps of stuff. If it isn't then there is no need for scientists at all and they won't get heaps of stuff.
    Its all about scientists, and China, getting heaps of stuff.

    Global warming = Scientists get heaps
    No global warming = Scientists don't get heaps of stuff.

    here's a scientific graph to prove it;





    All those fools out there listening to scientists.
    Bloody sheep, being led like a bull to water, only to drink the whole thing dry as a place that is really dry when they thought it was wet.
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    Of course a more reasonable person than me might point out that the only groups being funded specifically to express a partisan opinion on climate change (and for no other reason at all) are climate denier groups.
    In fact there seems to be a very eager community of rich fossil fuel enthusiasts who will give unlimited money to anyone from the pool of those who could deny climate change and remain, even remotely, credible. (A pool that has all but disappeared.)
    Another reasonable observation might be that the science and the understanding of that science is getting exponentially stronger every year. For a hoax or a conspiracy that really is a remarkable result. I would say unprecedented. Its almost like fooling all of the people all of the time. But if it is being sustained merely to prolong funding into nothing, that is an astonishingly successful campaign and hats off to the millions of disparate individuals all over the world for maintaining the momentum behind that conspiracy since .... the 1970's. That's an inter-generational conspiracy to support nothing, so they can get funding. Impressive!

    Speaking to the title of the thread, it does beg the question "Do conservatives need climate denial?". For the millions of people for whom change (and feeling guilty) is terrifying, ie - the natural conservative voter, having a party that represents their fear as founded, is critical. Parties tapping into this fear of change also release funding from those rich fossil fuel enthusiasts whose going concerns are threatened by antipollution policies.

    But of course that is all very far fetched. No, clearly the reasonable stance is that multiple generations of scientists all over the world have conspired so they can perpetuate their funding.
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    Are you guys incapable of understanding the surest, the most certain road to wealth and fame for any researcher to to come up with real verifiable proof that Climate change isn't happening . That person or team would be millionaires in a week. Big oil and coal would pay anything for that proof and I'd love to see it too.

    But it isn't available is it ? Why ? Don't scientists want wealth and fame delivered to their door? The thanks of millions of worried people, not to mention all the coal and oil industry employees?
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    Quote Originally Posted by twodot View Post
    Excellent!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Orca View Post
    Approximately, sure, as soon as you define which datasets you wish to include and how you propose to define the "global temperature". But by way of demonstrating why this is a silly question, consider this: do you need to know the position of a particular cell in your little finger to the nearest nanometre in order to know whether your hand is rising or falling?
    If you don't know the starting and stopping points you don't know if there is any change at all, a small change or an alarming one. And knowing what the datasets are and knowing if those have been adjusted is crucial to the integrity of the process.

    Before concluding that the sky is falling and thus entrusting some dubious characters with control over and use of the Climate Adjustment Fund I want to know if I'm being shaken down or if the sky really is falling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    Are you guys incapable of understanding the surest, the most certain road to wealth and fame for any researcher to to come up with real verifiable proof that Climate change isn't happening . That person or team would be millionaires in a week. Big oil and coal would pay anything for that proof and I'd love to see it too.

    But it isn't available is it ? Why ? Don't scientists want wealth and fame delivered to their door? The thanks of millions of worried people, not to mention all the coal and oil industry employees?
    Why is the burden on "(b)ig oil and coal" to prove a negative, unless, as I suggest, this is a religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbgusa View Post
    ...I want to know...
    But, you really don't want to know, do you? You have demonstrated zero curiosity. You have never looked for the "datasets", have you? You have never looked to see if they have been "adjusted", have you? You have already made up your mind, haven't you? You are looking to change others' minds, not your own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbgusa View Post
    Why is the burden on "(b)ig oil and coal" to prove a negative, unless, as I suggest, this is a religion.
    You do know that Exxon scientists understood AGW to be real, some time ago?

    As for the religion part, JAFT.
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