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    Default Can Trump supporters not realize he's lying?

    Everyone, it seems, on the right, was really obsessed and angry that Clinton lied about oral sex.

    These same people seem not the least bit concerned that our current president lies daily, and about things far more important than his sex life.

    Honesty, conflicts of interests, nepotism, etc. no longer matter to these people? Or has partisanship become so bad that it's okay if 'our guy' lies, has conflicts, etc.?
    May be some rough water ahead. We're getting new captain.

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    Some don't know, some don't care, but most of them are aware and seem to enjoy it. Anything that gets under the skin of the left is welcomed like an old friend. There are probably those that do care, but holding power likely means more to them. I would have thought this was obvious by now. . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Dryfoot View Post
    but most of them are aware and seem to enjoy it. Anything that gets under the skin of the left is welcomed like an old friend. . . .

    Nailed it. I've 'discussed' this with lottsa RWW's, and that irritation factor seems paramount- though with The Donald imploding and looking evermore the fool, they're not as obvious or vocal these days. Maybe something about losing their health insurance, I dunno....
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Smith View Post
    Everyone, it seems, on the right, was really obsessed and angry that Clinton lied about oral sex.

    These same people seem not the least bit concerned that our current president lies daily, and about things far more important than his sex life.

    Honesty, conflicts of interests, nepotism, etc. no longer matter to these people? Or has partisanship become so bad that it's okay if 'our guy' lies, has conflicts, etc.?
    And far less important. And everything in between.

    The divisive propaganda of the last several decades has created a cadre of folks who will support anyone who mouths the right platitudes, pushes the right buttons, and blows the right dog whistles.

    What we've seen during the first 6 months of his tenure is the more rational Republicans slowly separating themselves from some aspects of D.Tramp's agenda/actions... or even from Dolt 45 himself, in toto. I hope that trend continues. I hope moderates begin to see that 'throw the bums out', and 'let's shake things up' is not a viable long or medium term strategy.

    But there is clearly a chunk of humanity (to use the term loosely) that fit his 'Times Square' description - and will never disavow him. Will always find ways to still the cognitive dissonance, and make excuses for his behavior.
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    The point you don't seem to acknowledge is that the right has been
    Lied to for decades by democrats promising change and receiving
    the same old sh!t....... Now they are getting that change.

    Suck it up and try harder next election.... And quit blaming the Russians
    For your liberal failures.
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    Nah. Missed it again. But thanks for providing an example of 'cognitive dissonance'. Well done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jack grebe View Post
    The point you don't seem to acknowledge is that the right has been
    Lied to for decades by democrats promising change and receiving
    the same old sh!t....... Now they are getting that change.

    Suck it up and try harder next election.... And quit blaming the Russians
    For your liberal failures.
    If you think the Dems were lying, just wait Jack! Right now, his supporters are just blaming democrats for being obstructionists. I guess that suggests that Trump really has done squat but, his golf game has improved.

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    Are the clinton-bashers from 1998 and the trump-supporters in 2017 really the same people?
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    Quote Originally Posted by George Jung View Post
    Nah. Missed it again. But thanks for providing an example of 'cognitive dissonance'. Well done.
    I was thinking the same thing. He made the point of the OP perfectly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jack grebe View Post
    The point you don't seem to acknowledge is that the right has been
    Lied to for decades by democrats promising change and receiving
    the same old sh!t....... Now they are getting that change.

    Suck it up and try harder next election.... And quit blaming the Russians
    For your liberal failures.
    Proving the point....
    Elect a clown expect a circus

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack grebe View Post
    The point you don't seem to acknowledge is that the right has been
    Lied to for decades by democrats promising change and receiving
    the same old sh!t....... Now they are getting that change.

    Suck it up and try harder next election.... And quit blaming the Russians
    For your liberal failures.
    Whoosh.

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    They accept his schtick because it's like theater, suspend your belief and enjoy the show. Their economic status declined through Democrat and Republican administrations but Trump brings the hope of degrading the Federal govt to their economic expectations. They can win either way.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Dryfoot View Post
    Anything that gets under the skin of the left is welcomed like an old friend.
    Agreed. It's the middle finger syndrome. Same thing that gives us Rolling Coal idiots. "I don't care if my kids don't have health insurance. As long as I can say FU to a liberal."

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Smith
    Or has partisanship become so bad that it's okay if 'our guy' lies, has conflicts, etc.?
    Yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack grebe View Post
    The point you don't seem to acknowledge is that the right has been
    Lied to for decades by democrats promising change and receiving
    the same old sh!t....... Now they are getting that change.

    Suck it up and try harder next election.... And quit blaming the Russians
    For your liberal failures.
    But, Jack --

    The Republicans have been lying to them as well. The only folks who rightfully ought to be Republicans are those who or whose family has/have benefited from Ronnie's billion dollar welfare to the wealthy program.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jack grebe View Post
    The point you don't seem to acknowledge is that the right has been
    Lied to for decades by democrats promising change and receiving
    the same old sh!t....... Now they are getting that change.

    Suck it up and try harder next election.... And quit blaming the Russians
    For your liberal failures.
    are you on drugs?

    bath salts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    are you on drugs?

    bath salts?
    Why? Are you out again?
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    How's that for incoherent?
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    This thread is Jack Bait. A pretty lame premise but it has Jack trolling it thus preventing him from mucking up a more interesting discussion elsewhere. Brilliant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack grebe View Post
    The point you don't seem to acknowledge is that the right has been
    Lied to for decades by democrats promising change and receiving
    the same old sh!t....... Now they are getting that change.

    Suck it up and try harder next election.... And quit blaming the Russians
    For your liberal failures.
    I think we are reaping the rewards of accepting lying for political gain as free speech. The fact that you think the Dems have not tried to change things tends to prove that. Clinton balanced the budget. G.W. inherited a surplus. Obama inherited an absolute disaster. He dug us out and gave us steady positive job growth. The ACA was a dramatic improvement, and would have been more so if Republican Governors had all expanded Medicaid. Let us not forget a record number of filibusters blocking everything the Dems wanted to do.

    All of this, however, is really beside the point. Regardless of one's sources, one must KNOW Trump has been lying. That seems unavoidable. If 35% of this country really doesn't give a damn if their guy lies, we've got serious problems.

    The biggest lie they can, and continue to, point to in regards to Obama is "You can keep your doctor." Seems that's the best they've got, and it certainly pales compared to things Trump lies about.
    May be some rough water ahead. We're getting new captain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Figment View Post
    Are the clinton-bashers from 1998 and the trump-supporters in 2017 really the same people?
    Some are.
    May be some rough water ahead. We're getting new captain.

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    I guess it's hard to support truth, justice, integrity, and such.
    May be some rough water ahead. We're getting new captain.

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    Denial ain't just a river in Africa.
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    Re. the OP, I'm not sure that President Trump knows he's lying, so why should we expect his dyed in the wool acolytes to acknowledge it?

    Take the current divisiveness in American politics, add a hefty dollop of fear mongering from both sides of the aisle, and a hefty glurp of short-attention-span-screen-junkies who take the latest phony bot-generated reportage on social media as gospel, mix it all in a broth of ignorance regarding history because of a poorly educated populous and...Did I miss any? I'm sure I missed a few.

    This goulash we've cooked up is making us sick. I know I'm sick of it! It's enough to turn this usually optimistic kid less and less sanguine every day.

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    Ish, you really think that he doesn't know? More likely his supporters don't know!

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    Dunno, Jaimie. Strong narcissism often goes hand in hand with other pathology but I don't know.
    So many questions, so little time.

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    He continued: “And I got a call from the head of the Boy Scouts saying it was the greatest speech that was ever made to them, and they were very thankful. So there was ― there was no mix.”

    No such call was made. Does he really think he got that call? Of course not. It's simple self aggrandizing BS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ishmael View Post
    Dunno, Jaimie. Strong narcissism often goes hand in hand with other pathology but I don't know.
    Is a three yr old narcissistic? I knew the difference between lying and telling the truth younger then 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ishmael View Post
    Dunno, Jaimie. Strong narcissism often goes hand in hand with other pathology but I don't know.
    With all the evidence readily available, you really don't think the guy is a liar?
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    Trump his supports are a bunch of apes.

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    John,

    What in what I wrote said that to you? I'm just not sure HE knows he's a liar.
    So many questions, so little time.

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    I highlighted the "I don't know" reading that it applied to his lies. Apparently you were referring to something else... that still eludes me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ishmael View Post
    John,

    What in what I wrote said that to you? I'm just not sure HE knows he's a liar.
    A three yr old knows the difference between lying and telling the truth Ish. I don't accept what you posted, just sounds like an excuse for his behavior.

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    If he really does not know he is lying, he should be institutionalized, not in charge of nukes, among other things.

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