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    Hi all,

    Starting a new build, Doug's 15'3'' Crab Skiff. Plans are just that, plans, so lofting is required and off you go. Should be a challenge. I also deviated from the plans a little and will try and get the topsides out of glued plywood laps just to keep it interesting. I'm using Tom Hill's book "Ultralight Boatbuilding " as a guide. I'll try to post some pics using "post image.com" because photobucket is gone. Thanks.

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    That is going to be lovely
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Default Re: Doug Hylan Crab Skiff build in Florida

    suscribed
    good luck with your build

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    let the fun begin

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    The line off for lapstrake will be a bit of a challenge, as the topsides show considerably more span fwd than aft. Might be tricky to get it to look right. Otherwise it would work fine. Probably don't want a seat riser to cross a lap with no frames.

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    One of my favorites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim_cricket View Post
    The line off for lapstrake will be a bit of a challenge, as the topsides show considerably more span fwd than aft. Might be tricky to get it to look right. Otherwise it would work fine. Probably don't want a seat riser to cross a lap with no frames.
    I'd run one lap along the seat riser, climbing above it over the last 1/4 and leave it at that.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    All good points, I hadn't thought about how the laps and the seat riser will get along. What I've done so far is divide each station by three and then used battens to check for fairness. The battens are then screwed to the molds, stem, and false transom. When all 3 battens are installed I should have a pretty good idea how it looks, if all looks good I crawl under the boat and trace the planks from the battens. I have one more batten to install this weekend, then I'll take some pic. Thanks all for your help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldsurfer View Post
    All good points, I hadn't thought about how the laps and the seat riser will get along. What I've done so far is divide each station by three and then used battens to check for fairness. The battens are then screwed to the molds, stem, and false transom. When all 3 battens are installed I should have a pretty good idea how it looks, if all looks good I crawl under the boat and trace the planks from the battens. I have one more batten to install this weekend, then I'll take some pic. Thanks all for your help.
    You building upside down right? Then take photos and flip them 180, or stand with your back to her, and bend over to look at her through your legs. Those are the only ways to judge whether she looks right.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    You could also use a solid wood sheer strake above the seat riser, with a single ply plank below. The sheer plank is thicker, rabbets over topside plank, and sits proud. Creates your shadow line and could be finished bright.

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    Jim, Thank you, that might solve a few problems.

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    Pretty excited to watch the build and hear sailing reports, I'm just a bit north of you on the Banana River side of the Indian River - Skiffs and Sharpies have captured my attention, particularly Hylan's Crab Skiff!

    I wonder if you get a similar short chop from the sea breeze like we do up near the Cape.
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    Thanks everyone for your help. Got the last of the battens on and the chine logs installed this weekend. Not sure if I like the widths of the lapstrake planks near the transom, kinda narrow, about 3 1/2" or so and about 6 1/2" at the stem. I was thinking maybe 2 planks instead of 3, leaving the sheerstrake where it is so it would have a sort of 1/3 x 2/3 look. Please take a look at the pics and tell me what you think. I tried the bend over and look between the legs thing, but I think someone might have pulling one of my legs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldsurfer View Post
    I tried the bend over and look between the legs thing, but I think someone might have pulling one of my legs.
    In the absence of digital cameras that is all you have got. Did it give you a better feel for the look of her than standing up?
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    I agree, the garboard does look narrow at the stern.
    I'd go with Jim's suggestion.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    After moving battens around and thinking about it, I decided to go with how it was drawn-one plank. Mounted the transom this past weekend and wrapped some 1/4" underlayment from stem to stern and traced it at the chine and sheer batten. I'll try and scarph the 1/2" good stuff this weekend for the topsides.

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    I'm so glad you're doing this. I've always thought the crab skiff is a nice design. Eagerly awaiting more :-)

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    Hi All, Just a quick update. Got the 3/8" meranti scarfed earlier this week and I tried something different in that I cleaned up the scarfs with epoxy and micro balloons of course but faired them on the horses rather than after they were installed. I was a bit worried that they wouldn't lie fair, but they did. Probably wouldn't work as well if there was a lot of bend at the scarf joint. Anyway much easier to fair them standing up and working at a comfortable height.

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    Happy labor day weekend! Got to go out on the PC 18 on friday and still get a bit of work done on the crab skiff. Managed to shape and install the keel this past week after work, and was able to coincide the topsides with the keel using power planer, hand planes, and finally a heavy hunk of iron with sandpaper glued to each end. Quite the work-out.

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    That is going to be a pretty boat! Thanks for sharing!

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    Default Re: Doug Hylan Crab Skiff build in Florida

    looking good. great idea using the angle iron to sand with. good luck. also, nice set up on the rolling form.

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    Hi everyone, Not much progress this month thanks to Irma, not much damage but hurricanes are very time consuming. Was able to get her bottom covered though so there was some progress.Picked up a Stanley #80 scraper for cheap on ebay, wow is that thing amazing on removing cured epoxy! Probably everyone knew this but me, but the thing works like a epoxy hand plane just scraping the stuff off and then follow with a random orbit sander. Real time saver!

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    Quote Originally Posted by callsign222 View Post
    One of my favorites.
    +1 from me

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    Hi Everyone, Made some progress this past week. Was able to cut centerboard slot, flatten the hull to accept skeg, fabricate skeg and install it. Next up will be shape and install outer stem and sternpost, then rollover!IMG_1198.jpgIMG_1199.jpgIMG_1201.jpgIMG_1203.jpgIMG_1206.jpg

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    IMG_1210.jpgLove how you can add images now! So here's a few more.Attachment 4968Attachment 4969Attachment 4970
    Last edited by oldsurfer; 10-23-2017 at 06:24 PM.

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    Hi Everyone, Got a bit more done on the crab skiff. Shaped and installed the stern post and the stem. On this boat I started the bevel on the stem with a scallop with a nod to Jim Luton who did it on his PC 23. I had to go back to his posts to see how he did it, Thanks Jim.IMG_1212.jpgIMG_1214.jpgIMG_1215.jpgIMG_1216.jpgIMG_1218.jpg

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    And one more of the completed hull.IMG_1219.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldsurfer View Post
    Hi Everyone, Got a bit more done on the crab skiff. Shaped and installed the stern post and the stem. On this boat I started the bevel on the stem with a scallop with a nod to Jim Luton who did it on his PC 23. I had to go back to his posts to see how he did it, Thanks Jim.IMG_1218.jpg
    Proper job.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Looking great there, that's a pretty hull! I just sold my crab skiff to an old pal of mine in Georgia. I'll miss my boat, but you'll enjoy yours!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim_cricket View Post
    Looking great there, that's a pretty hull! I just sold my crab skiff to an old pal of mine in Georgia. I'll miss my boat, but you'll enjoy yours!
    You sold The Windward 15 Stretch? What are your thoughts between the Windward and the Beach Pea in terms of sailing?

    Nice job old surfer, what rig are you considering?

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    Hey Capt. Callsign,
    My peapod isn't a Beach Pea, it's a Matinicus from Walt Simmons. Real different boat. And different from Cricket the crab skiff too. Mouse is very fast in light air, without a lot of initial stability, but firms up heeled. Very slack bilges, which is why she is fast. I reef early. Cricket is a very stable platform, with a lot more room on the wide flat floorboards. Plenty of sail though, and though not real fast in light air, can carry her full rig longer, though the helm loads up, and a reef calms her down. I like to hike both boats flat. Mouse is more sensitive to trim. Mouse has 95 sq. feet in a lug yawl rig, and Cricket about 85 in a bermudan cat rig.

    Old Surfer's Hylan skiff has a more traditional look than the Windward, with a more plumb stem, but otherwise they are similar. Cricket is a bit wider with washboard decks. The Hylan skiff is a more open boat, and probably 50 pounds lighter. These skiffs are handy boats. I loved mine, but I had and still have way too many boats.

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    Hey Callsign 222, I am going with a leg o' muttonb but that's still along way off. Jim, I read your Cricket build and just a beautiful boat, fantastic job!-Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim_cricket View Post
    Hey Capt. Callsign,
    My peapod isn't a Beach Pea, it's a Matinicus from Walt Simmons. Real different boat. And different from Cricket the crab skiff too. Mouse is very fast in light air, without a lot of initial stability, but firms up heeled. Very slack bilges, which is why she is fast. I reef early. Cricket is a very stable platform, with a lot more room on the wide flat floorboards. Plenty of sail though, and though not real fast in light air, can carry her full rig longer, though the helm loads up, and a reef calms her down. I like to hike both boats flat. Mouse is more sensitive to trim. Mouse has 95 sq. feet in a lug yawl rig, and Cricket about 85 in a bermudan cat rig.

    Old Surfer's Hylan skiff has a more traditional look than the Windward, with a more plumb stem, but otherwise they are similar. Cricket is a bit wider with washboard decks. The Hylan skiff is a more open boat, and probably 50 pounds lighter. These skiffs are handy boats. I loved mine, but I had and still have way too many boats.
    OOooOoh right! It was a Matinicus, I forgot. I really love both your Cricket with it's dashing raked mast and the Hylan one as well. Daydreaming into the future it would be a tough decision between the two.

    Quote Originally Posted by oldsurfer View Post
    Hey Callsign 222, I am going with a leg o' muttonb but that's still along way off. Jim, I read your Cricket build and just a beautiful boat, fantastic job!-Paul
    Love the Leg-O-Mutton for many reasons. +1

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    Roll over! Progress! Hi All, Got her bottom painted and hull primed and with some help from friend Luis we got rolled over and back on the ladderback.. Got her blocked up and level, cut off the tops (bottoms) of the molds, used a batten to straighten out the sheer. Onward to the interior work.IMG_1222.jpgIMG_1225.jpgIMG_1229.jpgIMG_1232.jpgIMG_1234.jpg

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    Hi Everyone, Haven't posted for awhile, busy time of the year. Did manage to install the outwale after first cleaning up the sheer with a batten, was also able to clean up the interior of epoxy goop, ( not too bad) and was able to get all the fillets done. My method is to tape off everything, and then apply the thickened epoxy with a pastry bag and follow with a tongue depresser. Works for me, leaves nice straight lines and very little sanding. The last two pics are of the boats this rich guy has behind his house on Jupiter Island here in Florida (Tiger Woods neighborhood). Any ideas on the builder etc. of that stunning sailboat?IMG_1230.jpgIMG_1237.jpgIMG_1241.jpgIMG_1248.jpg

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