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    Unless you plan to have a large number of people on board on a regular basis go ahead with the forward side benches. One person on each side can easily juggle their feet and be comfortable. As for a waterproof hatch, if you can build a boat (and you're doing an excellent job of that) you can make you own hatches. I have made four hatches (one triangular to fit the front deck) all of which will be waterproof when I get around to using some silicone to make gaskets.

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    This looks ridiculous doesn't it? Is the top supposed to sit up on a cleat or something? The top piece is 90mm wide, reducing down to about 60mm. The plan calls for a piece that reduces from 75mm to 25mm. Really not sure how to do this. The bottom pieces are 42mmx19mm (too large?).

    Nothing is glued in yet, except the casing and it is not yet in its final position. The ply is 9mm, rather than 6mm lime the rest of the boat.

    What would you do here (apart from making a centreboard...)? All timber is hardwood.






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    I routed a grove in the top piece, in the depth of the side wall. So the top piece is mounted on the sides, but also cover the top of the sides. I think its a good thing to cover the ends of the plywood. Remember that the total height must be the right height included the top piece, to match the centerboard.

    If you already glued the top pieces i would make a thinner piiece and glue on top, and then reduce the the sides the same amount at the bottom...

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    Should I remake the daggerboard casing and glass the inside?

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    The daggerboard case is one of the most common places where leaks and rot get into a boat. A glass-sheathed daggerboard case will resist wear and prove more durable, saving you down-time later on. You could also add graphite to the epoxy so that the case is subject to less friction during use.

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    Thanks capefox and Fred.

    I emailed Dudley (the designer of the Argie 15) overnight regarding glassing the daggerboard as the instructions did not ask for it. He stated that he has never glassed the inside of a daggerboard casing. I think I might leave it as is.

    On a more positive note, my timber supplier gave me a slab of hoop pine for the top of the daggerboard (140mm wide) so I routed it out to fit the casing (thanks Fred!). It came up really well.

    I have dry fitted the seat risers and filled a million holes with thickened epoxy. Starting to feel like I am getting somewhere.

    Note the thinner bench seats at the front. With the bow riser moved forward for the standing lug sail, this made sense (I did not have the room for two 300mm wide seats there. I have some additional plans for those front seats if all goes well.












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    And i thought i built mine quickly! Looking great.

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    Thanks Nikky. Just hoping one way or another to be on the water before our holidays in December. If I don't have it sailing by then, so be it...I'll use a 9.9 mercury outboard in the meantime.

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    For those who have built this boat, can anyone recall what dimensions the fibreglass was when you glassed the hull. I'd like to order it soon so it is ready when I need it. Can I assume 6oz (200 gsm) was used? 3 or 4 fibreglass sheets (2 sides, one bottom, one transom), dimensions...?? How much epoxy is used approx. on the hull?

    I've never done this before so I could really do with some advise to get my head around how to go about it and what size sheets to order.

    I also assume you turn the boat over, fill the holes, fill and round the chines, lay the glass on the boat and then paint/squeegee the epoxy into the glass from top to bottom....?

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    If this is your first epoxy project I highly recomend reading this: http://www.westsystem.com/the-gougeo...-construction/ Its a free pdf book.I think 60oz should do the job. You are right making the hull smooth before glassing. Avoid pockets for air under the sheets.

    But again read the books chapter about glassing

    Fred

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    I think I had 2 metre wide cloth and glassed the bottom in one piece then the two topsides. I used 12 meters of cloth in all with the topsides cut down to a metre width. I didn't count it but I think it used about 2 pints of resin. Don't forget that once you've whetted out the glass and its set hard you'll need to apply a second coat of un-thickened epoxy to fill the weave properly. I didn't do mine properly and if you look you can still see and feel the weave under the epoxy.

    Yes turn her upside down to do this. I made a jacket out of the glass cloth stuck together with masking tape then let it settle overnight to allow the creases to smooth out then applied the epoxy. The tactile feeling of the glass cloth covering the whole boat before you apply the sticky stuff is wonderful. I defy you not to spend half an hour stroking you boat (that's not a euphemism).

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    Sail quote from Far East sails. $465 USD including postage.

    Gaff Mainsail
    > 2 Reefs
    > Draft Stripe, Telltails, Triple Stitched
    > Sailbag
    > Mast Rake 8 degrees
    > Aluminum Headboard, Leech line, Cam Cleat
    > Radial Patches Head, Clew and Tack
    > Sail Slides or slugs included
    > Sail Area : 89.87ft2 (8.34m2)
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    > 5.18oz Challenge Performance Cruise - Cross cut


    How do the specs sound?

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    Time for an update I guess as it has been over a week. I look forward to someone starting one of these so that I can be the second year apprentice, rather than the first year...

    I've done a few odd jobs on it that had to be done but not a lot to show for it.

    Side compartments fitted and filleted:


    A hole cut for the daggerboard casing. Not sure how to attach or finish this:


    Side seats scribed and cut:


    Reverse mast step prepared:


    If you haven't noticed already....



    There is a flagpole in my boat. Wanting to use it for the mast. It is tapered from 80mm to 60mm, is anodised aluminium and just happens to be 4.5 metres long. The only issue I have is that it is 2mm thick and I have no idea if that is too thin?? I'd like to use this to sit on top of what I call the reverse mast step (see above).

    Oh, and I have filled lots of holes with thickened epoxy and have lots more to go.

    It will soon be time to flip her over and work the underside.
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    Maybe contact dudley dix about the 2mm thick mast. Be a shame if its too thin as it sounds ideal other wise. Maybe you could wrap it in fibreglass?

    Boat's comming on beautifully.

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    Thanks Nikky. Just heard back from Dudley and he reckons it will be fine.

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    That's a result :-)

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    HM looking at the photo. is it 4,5 meters from transom to top of stem.? I am not shure my Argie is Must check when I get home :-)

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    I think its about 4.7metres. Shouldn't worry as long as its close. All Argies are a bit different.

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    4.61m

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    Holes have appeared in the boat 200mm or 8". Also set in the daggerboard casing. It is now ready to fillet and fibreglass.


    Made some reinforcing rings for the holes and purchased some 200mm waterproof hatches


    Daggerboard pieces cut and glued. hardwood on the leading and trailing edges as well as in the middle as a stiffener.


    Also grabbed a large circular sander (Fudzwollop signature series). Should help with the foils as well as the hull sanding.

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    Ha! I read your post on an e-mail that doesn't show pictures. Was worried that there was a problem with unwanted holes appearing in your boat:-) Coming together nicely.

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    Be careful about the type of caulk you use to seal around the hatch. Some types will yellow and brittle the plastic hatches.

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    Thank you gentlemen. A bit more progress....

    Flipped the hull, filled holes and gaps then sanded. The circular sander does dig in a little (the head was too flexible, should have used a more rigid one).


    Fibreglass tape applied (100mm wide this time, not 50mm).


    200 gsm (6oz) fibreglass cloth applied.


    And first coat of epoxy.



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    All looks good. Are you tackling the keel runners and skeg next?

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    Hi Nikky. Yes, but after two more coats of epoxy tomorrow. Any particular sized timber to use on the runners and skeg?

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    I seem to remember the plans call for 30mm x 30mm hardwood for the runners. I'm not sure it's critical. If you've got long sash clamps you can clamp the wood to the transom to help get the bend. I forgot about this and screwed it down until the epoxy set then removed the screws and filled the holes. Making the skeg was interesting. There's not much guidance in the plans. It comes down to judging what you think looks right.

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    All gone quiet Greenman. Everything ok?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikky View Post
    All gone quiet Greenman. Everything ok?
    He's finished so hes out sailing I guess

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    I wish I was out sailing!!!!

    I can't remember how many times in the past month I have said to myself that I should have bought a tinny. Heaps of hours for not much result I'm afraid. I certainly have learnt a lot though.

    4 or 5 coats of epoxy (I can't remember). Had to sand back after the first few because I didn't sand down the tape lines enough and ended up with this:


    More sanding and ended up a bit better but still very noticeable:


    After 5 coats, skew and runners (That fibreglass tape looks like invisible here but came back when I put on undercoat):


    Took it outside and gave it a good sand with the Fudzwollop signature edition circular sander, rounding the runners and skeg.




    Routered the stern (not quite finished that yet), then 3 coats of undercoat and lots of sanding.


    Mixed up paint that was supposed to be orange but turned out apricot. No way was I using that! Looks like the hull will be white with the paint I have left over........

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    ........then I sanded and painted it, looked awful, sanded it back a little and painted it again (finished 1/2 an hour ago so it's still drying)






    Looks ok in the photos, but it is pretty rough in person and quite disappointing (I'm only showing the good angles). Four weeks since my last post and HEAPS of hours, but the finish is ordinary. There is no way I am rubbing it back again though!!!!!!!!!

    I'll give it a few days to dry and then flip it back over.

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    I feel your pain. I hated this part of the build. Had to compromise the perfect finish for my mental stability in the end. My girlfriend thinks i left it too late. And in reply to fudswullop, do you ever finish building? The tinkering is endless but fun.
    Keep at it. Very soon you'll have a moment where it all comes together and seems worth the effort. Then the excitement of launching looms.

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    Thanks Nikky.

    I just had a thought.... Can I buff the paint to remove the shiny/dull streaks out of the paint so that it's all shiny once it is fully dry?

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    You know about the 10 foot rule yeah? Stand back 10 feet...if you can't see it, it doesn't matter.

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    Another important thing to keep in mind. When you're out sailing you can't even see the hull paint. You're just out having fun!

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    Not sure what you mean about buffing the paint. I wouldn't touch it til its properly hard though. Streaks are better than ripples. Honesly. Don't get too perfectionist. You can always repaint at a late date (i probably will one day).

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