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    Seen yesterday in Lems Cove, Bucks Harbor, Maine.






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    That's an awful lot of strings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hwyl View Post
    That's an awful lot of strings.
    You say that like it's a bad thing.

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    She'd be overcanvassed running under bare poles!

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    Seriously beautiful boat!
    Hands too small: Can't build his Wall!

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    It looks like in theory one could hoist the course up from the deck. There does not seem to be enough lines above the yard to hoist a rafee (I've never sailed with one, but would love to).

    I think all in all, I'd prefer a code zero.

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    Ah, she's an Atkin Vixen! That explains her awesome looks.

    I see a reference to an Ariel cutter on the WoodenBoat Magazine online index - issue #147. Anyone have a copy handy? I'm working out on an island and don't have access right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hwyl View Post
    That's an awful lot of strings.
    I agree- what are they all for??? Anyone have pictures of her "fully rigged"?

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    Photo here:
    "... and the great shroud of the sea rolled on as it rolled five thousand years ago."

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    So let me test myself L-R Spritsail, Yankee, Staysail, Course,Split raffee (I'm guessing) mainsail, water sail and ringtail.

    Edit, the course (squaresail) might be called the gallant or topgallant.

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    That guy must have a sewing machine!

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    WOW! Thanks for the picture.

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    I saw Ariel back in September 2008:





    She was quite something, even with a more modest sail plan:







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    Quote Originally Posted by StevenBauer View Post
    Ah, she's an Atkin Vixen! That explains her awesome looks.

    I see a reference to an Ariel cutter on the WoodenBoat Magazine online index - issue #147. Anyone have a copy handy? I'm working out on an island and don't have access right now.
    The ARIEL in WB 147 is not this: that ARIEL is a 1950s 50' sloop, designed by Hugh Angelman and Charlie Davies, and built by Carl Chapman for A L "Sandy" McCormick of San Francisco.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hwyl View Post
    So let me test myself L-R Spritsail, Yankee, Staysail, Course,Split raffee (I'm guessing) mainsail, water sail and ringtail.

    Edit, the course (squaresail) might be called the gallant or topgallant.
    I think you've got - but... Don't you have to have a gallant before you can have a topgallant? And - I must admit I had to look up ringtail - a studding sail on a gaff - I learned something today.
    "If it ain't broke, you're not trying." - Red Green

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hwyl View Post
    So let me test myself L-R Spritsail, Yankee, Staysail, Course,Split raffee (I'm guessing) mainsail, water sail and ringtail.

    Edit, the course (squaresail) might be called the gallant or topgallant.
    I'd call that a jib, not a yankee, but I agree on everything else.

    Why would you split the raffee? It must have to do with the way it is set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.Madison View Post
    Why would you split the raffee? It must have to do with the way it is set.
    Agree. The stay from the end of the bowsprit from the mast doesn't go all the way to the top of the mast. See Steven's first photo series. A single raffee would be a problem to set under it (which would be necessary) and have less area altogether. Splitting the raffee gives more flexibility... but more 'strings'.
    "... and the great shroud of the sea rolled on as it rolled five thousand years ago."

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    There's this too, from last year: http://www.mdislander.com/maine-news...ts-sloop-apart:
    An unusual-looking boat sailed up the sound a few weeks ago, headed for a winter’s rest at Mount Desert Yacht Yard.Ariel is a 35-foot wooden double-ended yacht designed by the late John Atkin and built by the late Ferd (“Red”) Nymphius.
    But what a passerby will notice first is the little sloop’s sail plan. She was carrying nine sails: a main and jib, staysail, square sail, two raffees, a ringtail, watersail and spritsail.
    “I like square rigs,” said owner David Gerstel of Vermont. “The designer gave us permission to put a square rig on it. I think it’s the only square-rigged small vessel around. We’ve been playing with it for three years, and I think now we have it.”
    Cruising in Maine the last few summers, he said, the only other square sails he has seen were on the visiting replica French frigate Hermione and the square topsail on the privateer Lynx.
    The raffees are the triangular sails that sit above the single yard (horizontal spar for the square sail). Some Great Lakes vessels traditionally have one large raffee, but in this case, the forestay makes that impossible.The other additional sails are meant for light air – in the same way sailors reduce sail area in heavy wind, adding more canvas can help make up speed in light wind. A ringtail is an extra panel attached to the mainsail, requiring a small extension on the boom. The watersail hangs below the boom, and the spritsail flies from its own small horizontal spar under the boat’s bowsprit.
    A history buff and collector of antique books, Gerstel said handling the complex rig is not as challenging as it looks once you get the hang of it.
    “It’s certainly different from boats where everything is push-button,” he said. “With the square sail, you don’t tack, you ‘wear,’ which is essentially a gybe. I can do it as fast as anybody tacks.
    “Square-rigged ships evolved over a couple thousand years,” he continued. “They went out of existence in a generation, but square rig sailors weren’t stupid. If the rig didn’t work, the ships would sink or the people would die.
    “I sail in and out of harbors under square sail. I can put up the raffees and square and jib at 35 knots, and going downwind, it’s like sitting in a rocking chair.”
    The Nymphius shop in Neshkoro, Wisc., 50 miles west of Fond du Lac and a long haul from Lake Michigan, is a legend in its own right. Builder Nymphius was a friend of Gerstel’s father. “Red knew me from when I was a kid,” he said. “He built all the wooden Mackinac racers.”
    They started construction of Ariel in 1975, he said, but it took 10 years to finish and several more until Gerstel took delivery of the boat. “I brought it to Maine because that’s where I wanted to sail.”
    In 1984, the TV show “On the Road with Charles Kuralt” visited the shop; that segment is available online.
    As Maine sailors know, the world of wooden boats is a small one.
    “Just this last week, I got a call from a man who had worked on building my boat,” Gerstel said. “He was in Blue Hill, and he wanted to come see it.”

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    It looks great and good on the owner, but does he seriously reckon he can wear ship "as fast as anyone tacks"? It takes a boat longer to go through a turn of around 270 degrees than it does to go through 90. Can he really wear that boat around in 7 seconds (which is what many yachts can complete a tack in)??

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    Amazingly, I went to a library French speaking group tonight, and met a woman, who sails on Ariel and she will be sailing her in the ERR

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hwyl View Post
    That's an awful lot of strings.
    Great off the wind!
    Jay

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    hello,
    ariel is my boat. atkin vixen design. built by red nimphius.
    first in water 2004
    possible sails main, 2 headsails, water sail, jamie green, square, 2 raffees, ringtail, 2 stunsails
    my email is dgerstel@securenet.net

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    i never used a stopwatch, but its fast. come on out and we can try.

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    no the square is just called the course. now we have stunsails.

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    we hoist the square from the deck, thats easy. and now, 2017., we have buntlines and leechlines to pull the square up to the yard. makes it easy to control.

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    it also depends if you are heading up as close to the wind as you can , or on a reach. if i am on a broad reach, its only maybe less than 100 degrees. and no strain as she comes around.

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    no. just a passion for square rig. people should look at the qualities. ease of handling. comfortable downwind, strong. no jibing.

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    Welcome David. Good to see you again, almost nine years to the day.

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    thank you. my memory of boats is better than people. what boat? are you well

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