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    [IMc - The US has broken more treaties than any other nation in human history. Admittedly, that includes all those treaties with the nations already on this continent whom we conquered as we metastasized west, but even if you choose to ignore those, our record is not one of honor. So Trump is here merely attempting to set a speed record for our welshing.]

    Published on Sunday, July 16, 2017, by Common Dreams

    Trump Is Endangering Nuclear Deal, Says Iranian Foreign Minister
    The president has urged other leaders to end business ties with Iran, undermining the 2015 deal

    by Julia Conley, staff writer

    As the United States and Iran mark two years since reaching their landmark deal on nuclear weapons, analysts say Iran has met its obligations stipulated by the agreement—while the U.S. has failed to do so.

    The deal, forged in July 2015 by Iran and the Obama administration along with Germany and the four other members of the U.N. National Security Council, stipulated that sanctions on Iran would be lifted in exchange for its halting of nuclear development for the next decade and its compliance with continuous surveillance of its nuclear enrichment and storage sites, among other requirements.

    The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) was tasked with making sure Iran complied with the deal, and has reported that the country has done so. But with the introduction of a Senate bill that would impose new sanctions on Iran aimed at its ballistic missile program, the language of which the nonpartisan Arms Control Association calls "overly broad and imprecise," critics say the U.S. has not met the deal's terms, endangering the agreement.

    In an interview on Sunday on "Fareed Zakaria GPS," Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif said that President Donald Trump has failed to hold up the United States' end of the bargain by urging its allies to cut business ties with Iran, effectively enacting more sanctions.

    "When...President Trump used his presence in the G20 meeting in Hamburg in order to dissuade leaders from other counties to engage in business with Iran, that is a violation of not the spirit but the letter of the JCPOA [Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action], of the nuclear deal," Zarif said.

    The National Iranian American Council (NIAC) also expressed dismay at the state of the deal, noting in a press release, "The JCPOA represented an opportunity for the U.S. and Iran to change course, broaden engagement, and end the policy of sanctions and antagonism. Unfortunately that opportunity has largely been squandered."

    "Continued sanctions, calls from the White House for nations to refrain from investing in Iran, and an increase in military encounters between the US and Iran all threaten the deal," the NIAC added.

    Meanwhile, the grassroots disarmament organization Peace Action wrote on Thursday that the Iran deal should be held up as a model for diplomacy, as the U.S. weighs its options in handling growing concerns over North Korea's nuclear capabilities—thus far, imposing sanctions and refusing to participate in talks with North Korea.

    “One of the crucial features of negotiations with Iran was our willingness to negotiate without preconditions," the group wrote. "Yet when it comes to growing concerns over North Korea's nuclear weapons program, the administration has instead opted for more ineffective sanctions and dangerous threats of military force. It's time we apply the same diplomatic approach to North Korea that has proved successful with Iran.”

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    I'm guessing with no legislation, a popularity rating of 36%, and a Russian scandal that keeps growing involving more and more members of his inner circle, he needs a war, North Korea isn't doable to many would die in Seoul, so Iran is what's left, and the Trump faithful hate Iran.

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    The US is likely to expend it's treasure completely in the ME the way it's going. You stuffed the Iraq invasion up at tremendous cost to people and materials and it's not over yet. Look at the map, compare the size of the land mass and their neighbours. And as long as Aus's. collection of a55lickers don't do just that you may be on your own.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian McColgin View Post
    As the United States and Iran mark two years since reaching their landmark deal on nuclear weapons, analysts say Iran has met its obligations stipulated by the agreement—while the U.S. has failed to do so.
    Did Clinton fail to make this point in the campaign, or was it not heard? I seem to recall commentators saying it on a regular basis. Other than empty claims by Trump, is there any evidence that the treaty has failed to work? Do we just do these things now to appease an ignorant and uninformed base without making any effort to elevate them?

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    Ian, the Iran deal is not a treaty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian McColgin View Post
    [IMc - The US has broken more treaties than any other nation in human history. Admittedly, that includes all those treaties with the nations already on this continent whom we conquered as we metastasized west
    Ugh. C'mon, Ian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peb View Post
    Ian, the Iran deal is not a treaty.
    treaty
    ˈtriːti/
    noun

    • a formally concluded and ratified agreement between states.
      synonyms: agreement, settlement, pact, deal, entente, concordat, accord, concord, protocol,



    noun, plural treaties.1.a formal agreement between two or more states in reference topeace, alliance, commerce, or other international relations.

    2.the formal document embodying such an international agreement.

    3.any agreement or compact.




    The Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action known commonly as the Iran deal or Iran nuclear deal, is an international agreement on the nuclear program of Iran reached in Vienna on 14 July 2015 between Iran, the P5+1 and the European Union.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsie View Post
    treaty
    ˈtriːti/
    noun

    • a formally concluded and ratified agreement between states.
      synonyms: agreement, settlement, pact, deal, entente, concordat, accord, concord, protocol,



    noun, plural treaties.1.a formal agreement between two or more states in reference topeace, alliance, commerce, or other international relations.

    2.the formal document embodying such an international agreement.

    3.any agreement or compact.




    The Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action known commonly as the Iran deal or Iran nuclear deal, is an international agreement on the nuclear program of Iran reached in Vienna on 14 July 2015 between Iran, the P5+1 and the European Union.
    Ftfy. International agreement, not US treaty. Big difference.

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    It's true this is not a treaty. It is an agreement. If we want to strengthen our reputation for breaking our word, if we want it known that a change of administration means not only a change in future efforts but a flat abrogation of prior promises, that utter lack of honor is a choice we can make.

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    CNN this morning is reporting that the Trump admin is likely leaning towards recertification of the deal by the end of the summer. That Tillerson is arguing that while imperfect, the deal is the best way to continue to ensure that Iran does not develop nukes. And that rather than scrapping it, he'd work to strengthen some aspects of the reporting or monitoring provisions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian McColgin View Post
    It's true this is not a treaty. It is an agreement. If we want to strengthen our reputation for breaking our word, if we want it known that a change of administration means not only a change in future efforts but a flat abrogation of prior promises, that utter lack of honor is a choice we can make.
    Honour Ian? Wrong word to use in relation to politicians. Money yes, privilege yes, honour no way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    Honour Ian? Wrong word to use in relation to politicians. Money yes, privilege yes, honour no way.
    POTUS and the Secretary of State are supposed to be Statesmen.
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    Like anyone, I have liberal and conservative strains in my values. Rectitude and honor are among my conservative values which, sadly, are not shared by todays right wing Republican style "conservatives."

    I was a community organizer/advocate all my working life so I am well used to doing politics with people of no honor, no integrity, no rectitude. It's like sausage making - you need a thorough wash and change to clean cloths after.

    I see no reason why my ability to work with people in a non-judgemental way means I should suspend my own moral compass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian McColgin View Post
    It's true this is not a treaty. It is an agreement. If we want to strengthen our reputation for breaking our word, if we want it known that a change of administration means not only a change in future efforts but a flat abrogation of prior promises, that utter lack of honor is a choice we can make.
    You are correct, I will say it doesn't sound we have explicitly violated the agreement yet.

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    slightly off topic - thought still related - Why does America hate (fear?) Iran?
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    Quote Originally Posted by P.I. Stazzer-Newt View Post
    slightly off topic - thought still related - Why does America hate (fear?) Iran?
    It is hate, because the Persians told them where to stuff it over the oil. Same reason that they were so vindictive with Cuba. Too immature a nation to stand being told where to get off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by P.I. Stazzer-Newt View Post
    slightly off topic - thought still related - Why does America hate (fear?) Iran?
    Because Israel tells them to

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