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    Surprise! Don-Don, and the First Son-In-Law "forgot" to mention that there was a fifth person in the room during the meeting with the Russian lawyer.

    The fifth wheel was a former Russian intelligence officer.

    OH FOR FOXSAKE! A sixth person has just come to light!

    It's a gawdam clown car...
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    Ohmigod....

    Could Trump Jr. be any stupider?

    "Oh, gee, yeah, I forgot... there was a former Russian counter-intelligence officer in the room with us. It must have slipped my mind."

    “The Russian lawyer who met with the Trump team after a promise of compromising material on Hillary Clinton was accompanied by a Russian-American lobbyist — a former Soviet counter intelligence officer who is suspected by some U.S. officials of having ongoing ties to Russian intelligence,” NBC News has learned.

    “The presence at the meeting of a Russian-American with suspected intelligence ties is likely to be of interest to special counsel Robert Mueller and the House and Senate panels investigating the Russian election interference campaign.”
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    Imagine the communications back to the KGB. "Correct, the presidents son, eager and dumb as a box of rocks"

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    The presence at the meeting of a Russian-American with suspected intelligence ties is likely to be of interest to special counsel Robert Mueller and the House and Senate panels investigating the Russian election interference campaign.
    Gee, ya think?

    Not that it would necessarily be part of this particular meeting, but I will not be surprised when the next big sticky turd splashes into the evening news, that it is that the vice president knew all along that Flynn was lying, because he has in on the scam from the beginning.

    When they can't fall back onto Pence, the whole gamble to secure the demise of our democratic republic is over and done. The loss of the R White House, and for generations to come, becomes fait accompli. mcyrtle and the rest of vipers in the R pit, with approval ratings in the can, won't be far behind, except at the polls.

    And then finally, wait for it—




    American can begin to be great again.


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    I think the contents should be equally important...
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    One would think that these people are capable of learning... and one lesson throughout the history of politics is that when there's bad news, you're supposed to get it ALL out, quickly, so you can recover... as opposed to dribbling out each damning revelation, one at a time.

    This is why Donald Trump Jr., to say nothing of his daddy, are such idiots. They don't seem to be smart enough to know what it is that they DON'T know... and they seem incapable of even trying to learn.
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    The APPARENT level of incompetence shown here is deeply disturbing to me.

    I find it difficult to celebrate this.

    I mean, what if the play is to show the US they have been totally forked, that Putin is co-President, then pardon the entire administration for all wrongdoing past, present and future?

    IT WOULD BE ENTIRELY LEGAL, as far as I can tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack grebe View Post
    I think the contents should be equally important...
    Contents of what? Contents of the agenda of the meeting, and the substance of what they talked about? Sure, should be very important. Wouldn't it be nice to have this info released?

    In the meantime, we now know that 3 principals in the Trump campaign intentionally met with a person described to them as a "Russian government attorney," in order to review and receive "official documents" which Russia wished to provide from their ongoing program supporting the Trump candidacy. Trump Jr was eager to see these, and said so in writing. The origination of the meeting was with a Russian oligarch who is both very close to Putin, and a long-standing business colleague of the Trump family.

    We now know that the meeting also included an additional Russian lobbyist, known as a former Soviet intel officer and suspected of having continuing Russian intel connections.

    Nope, nothing there. Nothing worth any interest at all, and entirely understandable that every Trump Campaign official simply forgot that this ever occurred.

    Ahem.
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    One would think that these people are capable of learning... and one lesson throughout the history of politics is that when there's bad news, you're supposed to get it ALL out, quickly, so you can recover... as opposed to dribbling out each damning revelation, one at a time.
    You'd think, but if they started, where would they draw the line? They are trying, really badly, to have the whole scandal and all of the scrutiny stay contained, but the containment continues to grow and grow. I'ts a sh!t snowball.


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    The Associated Press has identified the additional person as Rinat Akhmetshin. Akmetshin has confirmed that he participated in the meeting.
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    Drip. Drip. Drip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoez View Post
    Drip. Drip. Drip.
    That's the agonizing part, how long this takes to get handcuffs and perp walks. Justice is slow, I guess better than none at all. Yet in the end they will all be pardoned anyway. Sad.

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    The meeting was soo insignificant they didn't even remember it. All the evidence supports it. You really can't prove otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ron ll View Post
    That's the agonizing part, how long this takes to get handcuffs and perp walks. Justice is slow, I guess better than none at all. Yet in the end they will all be pardoned anyway. Sad.
    Getting handcuffs and perp walks from a guy who can pardon the whole mess is gonna be a problem.

    I'm telling you.

    The in-your-face nature of all this seems to be almost intentional.

    If Donald Trump stood in the middle of 5th Avenue and shot Hillary Clinton in the head, he could just pardon himself.


    If he jailed every Senator who wouldn't vote his way, he could just pardon himself.


    If he freakin' MURDERED every Senator who wouldn't vote his way, he could just pardon himself.


    That's been true of every President, but Dirtbag Donnie is sleazy enough to actually do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KMacDonald View Post
    The meeting was soo insignificant they didn't even remember it. All the evidence supports it. You really can't prove otherwise.
    They SAY they didn't remember it. This is the fourth (or maybe fifth, sixth?) fall-back position after they blatantly lied about it for a good long time. Why should we believe them this time? Given their record of lying like most people breathe, why should we believe them about anything? Seriously, would you do business with these people if you own money were involved?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KMacDonald View Post
    The meeting was soo insignificant they didn't even remember it. All the evidence supports it. You really can't prove otherwise.
    Two well-placed Russians arranged a meeting with three well-placed Trump folks. These are the kind of people who don't meet for no apparent purpose. Both Veselinitskaya and Akhmetshin are both focused on weakening the Magnitsky Act which likely affects Putin and his inner circle's money earning/laundering ability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KMacDonald
    The meeting was soo insignificant they didn't even remember it. All the evidence supports it. You really can't prove otherwise.
    Tell it to Robert Mueller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KMacDonald View Post
    The meeting was soo insignificant they didn't even remember it. All the evidence supports it. You really can't prove otherwise.
    The requirement to report contacts with foreign agents is NOT dependent on 'significance'. The SF86 requires ALL contacts to be reported....

    ...and 'I forgot' is NOT a plausible excuse.
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    Wish you guys would quit quoting people I have on ignore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norman Bernstein View Post
    The requirement to report contacts with foreign agents is NOT dependent on 'significance'. The SF86 requires ALL contacts to be reported....

    ...and 'I forgot' is NOT a plausible excuse.

    But, but..... the dog ate my homework!
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    Jarad has revised his application for security clearance...he now admits having had over a hundred foreign contacts.

    Ninety-six of these seem to have slipped his mind when he first applied for clearance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KMacDonald View Post
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    As someone on NPR said this morning: If you were to be invited to an orgy & went expecting it to be one, but it turned out to be a book club meeting, wouldn't your wife still be pissed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garret View Post
    As someone on NPR said this morning: If you were to be invited to an orgy & went expecting it to be one, but it turned out to be a book club meeting, wouldn't your wife still be pissed?
    She hates reading?

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    Quote Originally Posted by B_B View Post
    She hates reading?
    If you went, not both of you...
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    It was a simple oversight. Let's not blow it out of proportion.

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    Remember, we have only the word of the participants that it was a book club meeting, not an orgy. Several of the participants do not have good records around telling the truth.

    Keep trying, KMac. But Mr. Mueller knows his business, he's nothing if not competent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Wilson View Post
    Remember, we have only the word of the participants that it was a book club meeting, not an orgy. Several of the participants do not have good records around telling the truth...
    Does smell fishy.

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    Dang! After a meeting like that it's easy to see that hiliary didn't have anchance.
    Meanwhile:
    http://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/14/jpms-...ings-call.html
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    Ah another round of "We won! We won! We Won!". Getting more nervous?

    FWIW the other fellow at the meeting was one Rinat Akhmetshin. Here's an extensive article about him from a year ago, before any of this came out. It's interesting reading.
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    You guys keep posting to these reds like they'll acknowledge the facts and reason of the situation.

    In all these years, it hasn't ever happened. Dunning Kruger or willful ignorance or trolling, it doesn't matter.

    In the name of all the gods, WHY do you keep feeding these people?
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    Another snake oil salesman, singing the same supply-side, trckle-down economic argument that we have been listening to, for decades. Jamie Diamon is not exactly the cheerleader for the common man... nor for ethics and morality in business.

    Another dose of reality (evidently you need MORE than just one dose):

    • Personal disposable income has grown nearly 6 times more under Democratic presidents
    • Gross Domestic Product (GDP) has grown 7 times more under Democratic presidents
    • Corporate profits have grown over 16% more per year under Democratic presidents (they actually declined under Republicans by an average of 4.53%/year)
    • Average annual compound return on the stock market has been 18 timesgreater under Democratic presidents (If you invested $100k for 40 years of Republican administrations you had $126k at the end, if you invested $100k for 40 years of Democrat administrations you had $3.9M at the end)
    • Republican presidents added 2.5 times more to the national debt than Democratic presidents
    • The two times the economy steered into the ditch (Great Depression and Great Recession) were during Republican, laissez faire administrations
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    Quote Originally Posted by KMacDonald View Post
    It was a simple oversight. Let's not blow it out of proportion.
    Not exactly.
    Let's not forget that a family of lying dirt bags are breaking the law in order to make shyt-loads of money by selling our country to a hostile foreign country.

    Doesn't sound simple, does it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norman Bernstein View Post
    Another snake oil salesman, singing the same supply-side, trckle-down economic argument that we have been listening to, for decades. Jamie Diamon is not exactly the cheerleader for the common man... nor for ethics and morality in business.

    Another dose of reality (evidently you need MORE than just one dose):
    Economies swing up and down for lot's of reasons, rarely do they turn as quickly, and strongly, as for Reagan. His 'supply side' lasted through to Clinton. Obama extended his recession just as FDR extended and magnified the depression.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mdh View Post
    Economies swing up and down for lot's of reasons, rarely do they turn as quickly, and strongly, as for Reagan. His 'supply side' lasted through to Clinton. Obama extended his recession just as FDR extended and magnified the depression.
    Sorry, but your spin fails. Reagan raised taxes more often than he lowered them, for one thing.

    For another, the authors of the data I posted in #33, built in 'lags' to see what 'holdover effects' might have skewed that data... even with lag factors of multiple years, the answer was STILL the same: the economy has been DRAMATICALLY better, for the past eighty years, with a Democrat in the White House.

    Furthermore, you simply cannot blame the devastating recession of 2008 on anyone but the Bush administration, who, despite warnings that the jerks in big financial institutions were pumping up a phenomenal bubble in hyper-inflated junk securities. How did you OWN portfolio do, back then? Mine sure took one hell of a hit.

    And Trump is gonna do it again, with his reckless and irresponsible push to deregulate.

    Regarding Reagan, by the way:

    The book is great at looking past today's economic myths by using long forgotten facts to set the record straight. For example, in explaining President Reagan's great economic recovery of the 1980s it is often attributed to the stimulative impact of major tax cuts (ERTA.) But in reality the 1981 tax cuts backfired, leading to massive deficits and a weaker economy with a double dip recession as unemployment soared. So in 1982 Reagan signed (TEFRA) the largest peacetime tax increase in our nation's history. In his tenure Reagan signed 9 tax bills - 7 of which raised taxes!
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