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    Translation of Trump-speak, "I didn't know France was America's oldest ally."
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    Everybody in France knew.
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    A little knowledge is an embarrassing thing.

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    Australian school kids knew, well I did at 14.
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    I would argue that most learned persons have heard the reference, but many might be hard pressed to articulate the reasons for this earliest of alliances with any level of meaningful detail.

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    Ben Franklin and old Tom Jefferson were both over there working on borrowing money and laundering it.
    How could he not know that?

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    And then there's 'Freedom Fries'……………..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky Blue View Post
    I would argue that most learned persons have heard the reference, but many might be hard pressed to articulate the reasons for this earliest of alliances with any level of meaningful detail.
    I could have have at the time, our school doing a unit of North American history, but not now, other than traditional enmity. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky Blue View Post
    I would argue that most learned persons have heard the reference, but many might be hard pressed to articulate the reasons for this earliest of alliances with any level of meaningful detail.

    Only if you skipped, or were stoned, during night your high school history classes covering the American Revolution and WW 1 -- Yorktown, le Marquis de Lafayette, and of course, "Lafayette, we are here."

    The coin expended by Louis XVI in support of the American rebellion led pretty directly to the end of Louis XVI, the French monarchy, and the Reign of Terror.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lew Barrett View Post
    Everybody in France knew.
    And almost everybody in the U.S.

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    Is ignorance ever grounds for impeachment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoeyawl View Post
    Ben Franklin and old Tom Jefferson were both over there working on borrowing money and laundering it.
    How could he not know that?
    ...not to mention enjoying and collecting the wines.

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    Thomas Jefferson claimed, in 1818, that "in nothing have the habits of the palate more decisive influence than in our relish of wines." His own habits had been formed over thirty years before — at the tables of Parisian philosophes and in the vineyards of Burgundy and Bordeaux. Before his journey to France in 1784, Jefferson, like most of his countrymen, had been a consumer of Madeira and port, with the occasional glass of "red wine." As he recalled in 1817, "[T]he taste of this country [was] artificially created by our long restraint under the English government to the strong wines of Portugal and Spain." The revolution in his own taste in wine followed swiftly on the breaking of the bonds of British colonial government. Thereafter Jefferson rejected the alcoholic wines favored by Englishmen as well as the toasts that customarily accompanied them. He chose to drink and serve the fine lighter wines of France and Italy, and hoped that his countrymen would follow his example.
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    In Trump's defence, most of the world's population lives in China, and a big part of the rest in India. Probably a majority of them had no idea that France is America's oldest ally.
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    Our oldest ally and our second oldest enemy, yes? The Quasi-war came when, right around 1800?

    It is good that our president is so entertaining to the rest of the world (shudder).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholas Carey View Post
    Only if you skipped, or were stoned, during night your high school history classes covering the American Revolution and WW 1 -- Yorktown, le Marquis de Lafayette, and of course, "Lafayette, we are here."
    I have learned (repeatedly, alas) that the topics covered "high school history class" vary widely across this country.
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    Trumps a classy guy Brigitte better watch her stuff


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    Oh. France is where those French people come from?

    Well, then, Yeah, I knew France was our ally.

    Ally means friend, right?

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    France didn't care much for the nascent USA. George Washington had fought and surrendered to the French only a few years before.

    But France was very happy to help remove a large valuable colony from Britain's flag.

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    Would you like Freedom fries with that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky Blue View Post
    I would argue that most learned persons have heard the reference, but many might be hard pressed to articulate the reasons for this earliest of alliances with any level of meaningful detail.
    That would be odd, since there would be no United States without the intervention of the French Navy to keep Cornwallis from being resupplied during a siege in which about 7,000 French troops participated. I suspect a lot here have read C.S. Forester's The Age of Fighting Sail, and know the story.

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    Like Putin said, there's TV Trump and the real Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Hadfield View Post
    France didn't care much for the nascent USA. George Washington had fought and surrendered to the French only a few years before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    I could have have at the time, our school doing a unit of North American history, but not now, other than traditional enmity. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend".
    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Hadfield View Post
    But France was very happy to help remove a large valuable colony from Britain's flag.
    Now it is "Entente Cordiale", but the frog eating surrender monkeys still don't have a word for entrepreneur.
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    "Not many people know millions voted illegally for Hillary and my inauguration was the biggest ever!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeG View Post
    "Not many people know millions voted illegally for Hillary and my inauguration was the biggest ever!"
    "Not many people know but all of the women on The Apprentice flirted with me - consciously or unconsciously. That's to be expected."

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    I wanna ask our current president a gotcha question, like " who did we fight in WWII? " or " Who is buried in Grant's Tomb?' or " What was the color of George Washington's white horse? "

    Did you ever hear his utterly moronic take on Lincoln, and why he was great? Bob Woodward of the Washington Post asked him why Lincoln succeeded, and our current president let fly with this:

    " Well, I think Lincoln succeeded for numerous reasons. He was a man who was of great intelligence, which most presidents would be. But he was a man of great intelligence, but he was also a man who did something that was a very vital thing to do at that time. Ten years before or 20 years before, what he was doing would never have even been thought possible. So he did something that was a very important thing to do, and especially at that time. And Nixon failed, I think to a certain extent, because of his personality. You know? It was just that personality. Very severe, very exclusive. In other words, people couldn’t come in. And people didn’t like him. I mean, people didn’t like him. "

    Jesus wept.

    And then there was this one, first cousin to his France comment:

    "Great president. Most people don't even know he was a Republican," Trump said while addressing attendees at the National Republican Congressional Committee Dinner. "Does anyone know? Lot of people don't know that."

    You FOOLS who voted for him.
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    Hey you guys, he knows the French Presidents wife has stayed in pretty good shape. Isn't that all that matters?

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    One thing the LSOS DOESN'T know is how long his necktie should be. Hoping here that one day he trips over it and cascades down the stairs of AF-1

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnw View Post
    A little knowledge is an embarrassing thing.
    The embarrassing thing is how little.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John of Phoenix View Post
    "Not many people know but all of the women on The Apprentice flirted with me - consciously or unconsciously. That's to be expected."

    This could go on forever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bamamick View Post
    It is good that our president is so entertaining to the rest of the world (shudder).

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    are you shuddering about the millitary parade down the champselise led by US troops dressed as dough boys? or the private dinner with Macron in le Tour Eifiel'? or maybe the hero's welcome he recieved in Saudi Arabia?... come to think of it the only "entetrtainment" these days is coming from the squalking and caterwalling of US Democrats... the Russians were looking to affect the US election and de-legitimize the winner... poor Dems playing right into those dirty Russians hands


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