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    The auctioneers' website has been updated (it seems to change almost hourly!) and the viewing times and dates have changed.

    https://www.sweeney-kincaid.com/Sale...px?SaleId=3112

    At the moment, with nine days to go, no bids have met the reserve prices.


    I have a funny feeling that something may be going on "behind the scenes". At the moment, I doubt if this auction will run its course. I don't know anything; this is just a "hunch" - I fancy that there might be en bloc bids for "chunks" of the collection.

    An anthropological museum, for instance, may like the "ethnic" items, but would not be interested in Uffa Fox International Fourteens, whereas a museum of yachting could trace the entire development of the modern racing dinghy with the Fourteens in the collection, which start with a heavy boat steered with a rudder yoke and with rowlocks and bamboo spars for her lug rig,, and finish with trapezing boats with the mast on a "bicycle frame", able to plane to windward.

    I emphasise that I don't know anything. But I think the purpose of the "reserves" - which would seem unusual in an insolvency sale - may be to permit the auctioneers to conclude such agreements.
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    This is Lot 446, and she interests me, if nobody else. I'd really like some thoughts on this one...

    This is the only picture, and one can't really judge if she is "dead" or just "very tired". How bad are those hood ends?

    She looks to me like a Victorian or Edwardian yacht's gig.


    The National Small Boat Register says:

    Rowing/sailing dinghy. Carvel built. 14'6" x 4'1"Name, "WAG", and owner (?), "A. Lee" carved inside transom. Original build quality very good, but fairly light. Teak thwarts and trim, bronze fittings. Fitted for 6 oars. Wedge shape centreplate case, but plate missing. No builder?s plate or marks. Present condition poor, weak and dried out. Difficult to place ? rig remains suggest a dipping or balance lug, and construction would suggest a leisure (possibly racing) type. The rowing fittings, however, are unusual for such craft. Potato shed K1.





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    Feast your eyes... this is CORONA, Fox Fourteen K374, from 1937

    ... one of many... I think we can assume that these will be assured of good homes..



    The alert will have spotted her somewhat "V" shape sections which are unlike those of Fox's planing Fourteens. That's because she is a "river type" intended to be competitive on inland waterways..
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    These two, on the other hand, are not even in the catalogue.





    Both pre-planing Fourteens, and I am not even sure if they are Internationals; they may be Nationals or even earlier, Single skin carvel, with rowlocks fitted and with bamboo spars for a lug rig...
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    446 looks a proper boat to me. The hood ends might make it yours if they don't put you off as well as others.

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    I'm not going to be able to get up there for a look. Hence my interest in what others make of the photo.

    Dried out English oak stem, fasteners failed, or - something worse?

    I'm sure the Fourteens will all go to good homes, but 446 might slip between the cracks. She appeals to me very strongly as a practical size project.
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    Well the deadline for bids for the whole collection passed at noon BST today.
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    I wonder if they will find homes at all? Bunch of old wood boats, poorly marketed. Bit of a tragedy in the making I tend to think. Hope I'm wrong. It's happened before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
    I wonder if they will find homes at all? Bunch of old wood boats, poorly marketed. Bit of a tragedy in the making I tend to think. Hope I'm wrong. It's happened before.
    there are a few boating organisations alerting their members to this auction.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    There has been a change - some bids are now shown as having met their reserves.

    https://www.sweeney-kincaid.com/Sale...px?SaleId=3112

    I heard from a correspondent who went to the Eyemouth viewing on Friday that around forty people turned up, including one chap from Southampton University who was measuring the "ethnic" exhibits.

    I wouldn't describe that as a high level of interest.
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    I like 320, Fairey dinghy K6848




    No bids so far. Nice Firefly there too.

    And this Thames skiff, 50 pound reserve unmet.



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    ……and from 552 onwards there's more………………..

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    I am rather puzzled.

    I visited Lowestoft and found these two Fourteens which do no appear in the catalogue:





    the second boat has been identified as IMP, a very famous Morgan Giles West Country Dinghy Conference 14 which rated as a National and then International 14 and was competitive into the 1920's. She is apparently on loan from Beaulieu and I hope they retrieve her. The other one is a mystery.
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    More unconsidered trifles:

    Lot 394 - no bid yet... bids in increments of £5... perfectly nice clinker dinghy...



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    And another Jollyboat (these are rather hairy beasts - bit like Thistles - and were a favourite of the young Duke of Edinburgh) ...

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    And apparently a perfectly good clinker coxed four... missing the canvas decks but with oars and outriggers - should be a rudder somewhere...

    (I spent a fair part of my youth in clinker fours and eights...)

    The object to the left of her is a Thames racing punt...

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    the sweeneys burning 90 cos theyve got the word to go, they get a gang of wrecks in a shed up at heathrow
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    isca this and isca that they wanna be so flash, they let a lot of rot in and they waste a lot of cash
    and by the time their solvent theyve forgotten what they had
    a great collection of boats that will soon be trash
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    Don't hold back, Peter - Tell us what you really think about (E)ISCA!
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    It does all seem a bit sad and irresponsible.

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    Is that Peter rapping again?

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    Yes. Official viewing at Lowestoft is on Monday.
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    if they had bought a few hundred gallons of creosote, red lead paint and cuprinol, and many tarpaulins this collection could be in a better state, but so many museums dont stop rot, they just like to watch it develop as they sit at the side of the road watching the world go by
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    Don't mention the CUTTY SARK...
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    Didn't Chichester's boat spend some time in a cement bed, outdoors, before it was restored? Or did I dream that?

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    It was sitting in a little dry dock rotting away.
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    I was wondering why the reserves had been reduced on three big boats in good condition and on a lot of museum exhibits and books and equipment.

    The penny dropped - the items on which the reserves have been lowered are all in the main building and the terms of sale require them to be removed promptly- there must be a buyer or an incoming tenant for that building so they need to clear it.

    The rest will presumably be treated as "unsold lots".
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    Andrew, looking through the photos there seems to be quite a few restorable boats, particularly among the sailing dinghys that would be much more practical to actually use once the work was done. That ships gig is a lovely boat, don't get me wrong, but it looks to me like a major restoration project. Once finished the problem of storage arises, as it's a sizable boat and not really suited to trailer life. And you would need a small cadre of willing oarsmen to help row the thing. Just storing all the oars might be an issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Ledger View Post
    Andrew, looking through the photos there seems to be quite a few restorable boats, particularly among the sailing dinghys that would be much more practical to actually use once the work was done. That ships gig is a lovely boat, don't get me wrong, but it looks to me like a major restoration project. Once finished the problem of storage arises, as it's a sizable boat and not really suited to trailer life. And you would need a small cadre of willing oarsmen to help row the thing. Just storing all the oars might be an issue.
    She's actually a yacht's gig and not so big - 14'6" x 4'11" - but you make a good point.

    There are some boats that you could just drop in the water and use, though they would benefit from fresh paint and varnish, and some that would need major work.

    Any ideas on who built this lovely Whitehall?





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    I wonder if it isn't one of the Shew and Burnham whitehalls imported into the UK. See if there is any evidence of a number stamped in the transom. Also see if there isn't a sailmakers label.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Fuller View Post
    I wonder if it isn't one of the Shew and Burnham whitehalls imported into the UK. See if there is any evidence of a number stamped in the transom. Also see if there isn't a sailmakers label.

    Good call!





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    Dick Shew and Cecil Burnham are old friends and have been turning out these boats since the late 60s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Fuller View Post
    Dick Shew and Cecil Burnham are old friends and have been turning out these boats since the late 60s.
    Well, I think that they build very nice boats! A shame if they donated this one - quite a number of the exhibits were donations. Different if they got paid, of course!

    I think she will sell for a good price.
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    I wonder what it would cost to ship say, the Thames skiff, the Jolly Boat, and one of the 14's………….

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