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    Dear All,

    Ive been researching Charcoal Heaters and have been directed to Southampton in England ...

    But there are two companies apparently..

    Hampshireheaters.co.uk & charcoalheater.com .....

    They seem to be different heaters by the photos , but the similar wording exists on both websites.

    Is it two original owners where there's been a parting of the ways ?

    Many thanks for any help,

    Tigger
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    If you plan to heat the interior of your boat, the stove must be "properly vented'. Other wise the use of charcoal for heating, any enclosed space, can result in carbon monoxide poisoning and or death!
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    Even if you have an outside air source to the heater, you'll still want CO meters scattered about.

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    And don't forget to wear a PFD (Oh, what was the question again?)

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    I've a Gypsy Stove heater on my Folkboat. The heater's very basic, maybe 6" square, and a foot high, 4 'feet' on the bottom, and a rectangular flue from the back, at the top. I believe that the targeted consumer is the canal boat, caravan user, type, rather than any yottie.
    The air flow through it, is 'controlled' by the opening of the ash-pan at the bottom. Gypsy Stoves can be found throughout the auction sites, in varying sizes and quality. Mine cost 75, or so, and is quite impressive in it's efficiency; here's the caveat, once you've gotten used to it, and its absolute basic design.
    Getting the thing lit wasn't fun at first, now I put a 'T' light in the ash pan, with a good measure of charcoal in the stove section, on its grate. Usually it's about a 1/4 of an hour, before the charcoal is self sustaining for the ash/flue door to be shut to a minimum, and then it's warm for 6 hours, without any attention. Once the fire has fully depleted itself, there's hardly ever any residual ash to dispose of. These are all good things, and the build quality is good enough, without too much obvious corrosion in the 2 years of life with me.
    A CO2 meter, or 2, is essential, not desired, but essential, as is good ventilation at the start up, thereafter, it ticks along quite well. I'd initially a bit of bother with the door seals, and that led to a CO2 alarm early on, however, now that I sealed the door properly, it's fine.
    The price for mine is without the fittings, however, the through deck part took a bit of thought, and nerve; it's a most basic human skill, putting a chimney through a roof is something human's have done for millenia. I did use some exhaust bandage, and fire cement to ensure that no heat would propagate to the surrounding deck, and thus far it's been successful.
    I'm unable to post pictures of the installation just now, but may be able to later on, if it were wanted.

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    The only ones I'm familiar with are Bengco heaters. https://www.freeindex.co.uk/profile(...ng)_147565.htm
    They work fairly well but need to be sited well down to get heat at sole / deck level.


    Depending on your access to machining facilities, have a look at this http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/12/howto/woodstove/

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    I use Charcoal to heat my boat. It is safe and dry and burns well for a long time relative to other dry fuels. The warnings described here are important. Good ventilation, and CO alarm vital.
    I recommend using hardwood chunk charcoal, or other natural charcoal, rather than 'briquettes'. The latter generated far more ash. There is a lot of filler in the brickets that does not burn up when the main fuel is consumed. The natural chunk charcoal has very little ash when it is done.
    Unless your stove is intended/recommended for burning compressed wood products (logs or pellets), I do not recommend it. It burns hotter and with less control....Needs more air to keep burning then burns too hot and fast ( I lost control of an attended 'presto-log' fire once, managed to hold it together but it was scary ). I have used it some compressed wood products in my "tiny tot' but really it is not as good as the intended charcoal by a long measure. Natural wood is better though you will have to frequently feed (every 15 minutes of so)

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    How often have youse guys CO2 detectors gone off?
    I've used wood, coal ,charcoal, fake wood , diesel, kero in a dozen different stoves and set ups over the decades and lived to tell about it.
    ..and more than one of those set ups have been poor,fire running backward for "no reason", fire going out for "no reason",runaway for "no reason".
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    I have had the one in the house go off, never the one in the boat......I never had one of course for very many years on the boat,with a variety of stoves. Only installed one on this boat, and only turn it on if we are snoozing or sleeping while the fire is on. The boat is well ventilated......

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    Hmm ... both sites look a bit odd to me - links don't work, or bring you back to the same page, unrelated content, etc. No physical address. No pictures of actual installations. I would be very wary of parting with 600 + without going to see one of these. Or maybe getting a reference to someone who has one in use that you can talk to make sure it is a genuine reference, not a 'related' person.

    The Pascall Atkey "Pansy" charcoal heater was pretty good They were/are? on the Isle of Wight so same area. I don't know if it is still made or if these are derivatives of it. They are available second-hand though.

    Properly installed the Pascall Atkey "Pansy" stoves are pretty safe the products of combustion are exhausted through the flue and their primary air requirement is small. I heated safely with a small wood/coal boat stove for many years without any CO2 monitors etc but I guess having one is a sensible precaution - doesn't replace general common sense though!

    As previously mentioned, use real wood charcoal - not compressed briquettes as these leave far too much ash.

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    George,

    Many thanks..

    Roger

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    I've been looking for a small, affordable stove for my boat, and found this model on ebay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/142642851492?ul_noapp=true



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    Very nice. I like it.

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    I once used a Fatsco Pet cast iron stove in my VWbus, when I was a ski bum. I now use it to heat my drafting room and have another for my boat. This stove was designed to heat horse drawn milk wagons against the cold of the Minnesota winters. This was in order to prevent the milk from freezing.
    They have been keeping things warm for over a hundred years. Great heater! I use compressed sawdust log rounds as they burn clean and are easy to store. I use the "Pet" model. The other is the "Tiny Tot" has a, two pot, cooking top and a sea rail. The Pet comes with a SS radiation shield that I like very much.
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    I too have a Fatsco Tiny Tot. Love it.....

    I don't like pressed wood fuel, as much. It burns hotter and more quickly than charcoal. I have had runaway fires twice, no damage, but hot and scary, with pressed wood fuel.
    I start the fire with wood and then use charcoal. I prefer lump hardwood charcoal as it produces less than a quarter of the ash from briquettes.

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    Take a look at Dickenson Marine's Newport -- charcoal- and wood-burning goodness since 1932. Made with Canadian persnickityness in Surrey, B.C. since 1932.

    http://dickinsonmarine.com/product_c...d-fuel-heater/

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    This is my stove.. I did it myself.. I am so happy with it. Marin stoves are different than the normal stoves. First, it should be open from top. (to prevent fired particules go out..)

    second, pipes are also important as heater.. More pipes means more and distributed heat..

    Third, If you use during the sail, heat should be equal as a radiators at using our homes. More heat dangereous for small cabins and sailing.

    More important issue is soot (lamp black) and dust.. to prevent both of them and obtain enough heat I am using chafer gel. No dust anda no soot.

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    If I may be so bold, what is "chafer gel?"
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    I figured Sterno or the like - as used in chafing dishes. Just a guess though.
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    Yep canned heat. Fumes can be nasty in an enclosed space! They can irritate nose, eyes and lungs even with good ventalation.
    Jay

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    Chafer Gel = weak napalm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by phil y View Post
    and don't forget to wear a pfd (oh, what was the question again?)
    ^ +1 by

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    Quote Originally Posted by willyd View Post
    I've been looking for a small, affordable stove for my boat, and found this model on ebay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/142642851492?ul_noapp=true


    I'm trying to find one of these. Looks like it has some potential for my ghetto application. No luck in US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholas Carey View Post
    Take a look at Dickenson Marine's Newport -- charcoal- and wood-burning goodness since 1932. Made with Canadian persnickityness in Surrey, B.C. since 1932.

    http://dickinsonmarine.com/product_c...d-fuel-heater/




    I have one of these I use on shore in a small building. It does well with charcoal, but with wood it gets so hot that the door warps open and lets even more air in and becomes a "runaway"!

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    Chafing fuel, or Sterno, is gelled alcohol.


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    This product , chaffing gel is produced from ethanol or cheaper versions methanol. Benefits , no dust or soot and a small box burn aprox. 3.5 hours. Cheap and good energy source for heaters. easy to carry and easy to store in the boat.

    Dangereous because no easy to see flame and if you try to add from top, it behaves just like napalm..

    dangereous as other type fuels but no more..


    According to me so suitable for stoves who have chimney . No need extra vantilation.

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    Well thank you everyone..
    I have found the heater for me...
    I've met the man who make them and squared everything about the charcoal heater he makes in his shed..
    He used to have a company making them, but now just does it part time..
    Yes you have to store little bags of lumpwood charcoal but it burns away to nothing and there's no chance of the stove running away.. Something that has frightened the s...te out of a lot,Screen Shot 2018-02-05 at 16.43.38.jpg on these forums..

    I have names and numbers if anyone wants to get in touch...

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    Congratulations, it's beautiful.

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    Indeed, that does look pretty darn good!
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    Nice. If it wouldn't be too much trouble, please import 40-50 of these to the colonies. Sign me up for two....

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    Looks efficient but, how do you make your way forward?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Greer View Post
    Looks efficient but, how do you make your way forward?
    Jay
    Very, very carefully?

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    Oh, that's just a fault of the camera perspective. There's actually lots of room -- you just don't swing on the stovepipe as you go by.

    You know those cold damp evenings, after a 3-day cold fall rain, when sweat is running down the cabinsides and nothing you have is quite dry? Or the second night after an October cold-front passage, when frost forms on the decks? This stove, which is nothing more than a tin box, then becomes the height of luxury.

    You bask in the glow from it!

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