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    Hi folks! Young but professional boat builder here posting for the first time (woo!) and I have some questions on design as well as if anyone can point me in the direction of potential plans. There is a boat (linked below sorry) located on cape cod that I really love. Id like to start a project building a very similarly designed boat. I have no information on it and the only name is in Greek, go figure.

    However, Id like to change a few things. Notably Id like to move the pilot house back a bit and maybe extend the length on the bow by about 5 feet. Ideally Id like a design under 28' and over 20'. The best way to describe this is a tiny sardine carrier with an aft pilot house, mast with boom, and large (proportionately!) fore deck.

    Another big question is hull shape. I want to be simple and slow with a regular displacement shape but I also want some room down below so maybe I can up her free board and draft by a couple feet. There is a strange transition from a fair displacement shape to dead flat under the stern on this particular boat which might be stable but also seems questionable. I guess again perhaps a scaled down sardine or long fishing boat is the way to go. My preference is stability and hopefully decent performance in speed, short of planing that is.

    So, to end my bantering, Id love some constructive feedback and maybe direction towards finding a similar design and even get pointed in the right direction for plans. I dont really want to sift through thousands of designs on my own if someone here knows exactly what Im looking for.

    https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ca...!4d-70.2239294

    https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ca...!4d-70.2239294

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    Default Re: looking for plans/similar designs

    Nice boat. What's your budget? What's your projected schedule?
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    Default Re: looking for plans/similar designs

    Jay Benford's 26' Trawler Yacht or 30' Deadrise Petrel are the only plans currently available that I can think of.

    http://www.benford.us/index.html?lists.html
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    Default Re: looking for plans/similar designs

    Buehler? Gerr? Benford? William Preston's 'Steam Tug'?

    Atkin? What do you think of this one? Plans designed for backyard builders. 24 footer - but a trunk cabin instead of a tugboat-style aft cabin --

    http://www.atkinboatplans.com/Cruisers/MarthaGreen.html



    And... seriously -- budget, timeframe, and available hours per month to build?
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    Default Re: looking for plans/similar designs

    Exactly what I was thinking. The 26 footer.
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    Jay Benford's 26' Trawler Yacht or 30' Deadrise Petrel are the only plans currently available that I can think of.

    http://www.benford.us/index.html?lists.html
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    David G
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    http://www.harborwoodworking.com/boat.html

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    Default Re: looking for plans/similar designs

    There is lines and offsets in Sucher,s book "simplified Boatbuilding", the V bottom boat. Worth grabbing if you can find a cheapish copy....mine wasnt!

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    Default Re: looking for plans/similar designs

    Can't see your pics on my phone; how's (LINK) George Buehler's Captain Eddy look to you?

    28' 6" Captain Eddy (LINK)

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    Default Re: looking for plans/similar designs

    Sounds like the Glen-L "Noyo" is just what you ordered:




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    Default Re: looking for plans/similar designs

    These are some awesome boats thanks guys. I found some pictures of a couple french fishing boats I saw this winter that also capture my idea. The one thing currently feel strongly about is getting away from a hard chine. I feel that a full displacement hull has more room down below (potentially) and even though a chine and flat bottom seem to get a boat out of the water I am also more concerned with decent stability since she not that big in general.

    Also to answer some a few more questions; no time frame yet, this is just planning stage. I probably wont even start till next spring other than milling and starting to dry wood. I work in forestry and have decent access to a couple land plots with white oaks, ash, white pine and other trees I want to mill. Time to fell and dry! Anyway that is a significant part of my budget so I can start putting away for fasteners and hardware.

    So in the end what I am really searching for is the lines for a hull that fits my description and weight. hopefully with a pilot house similar or at least similar placement to what I want so any changes i make wont through her off balance. However anything I do that adds removes or changes things ill have a naval architect go over just to make sure she wont sit wonky.

    Oh also I have a double ender and I love it BUT I am looking to for either a nice flat transom or even a swanky fantail could be nice.



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    Default Re: looking for plans/similar designs

    You're strong feelings will rule, but in the size you are considering I think a hard chine boat will have more volume and perhaps stability than round bottom. Hard chine doesn't necessarily mean flat bottom or other-than-displacement hull shape. Could well be vee-bottom. Hardchine doesn't necessarily mean it's intended to plane.
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    Default Re: looking for plans/similar designs

    Jack, the boat in the picture (on Cape Cod) has pretty low freeboard forward for a fishing boat. Plus it looks like if she had bulwarks they were cut down at some point.

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