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    Default The Second Amendment did

    but did not terminally infringe the freedom of some innocent US citizens.
    The shooter is dead though.
    New York hospital: Ex-employee opens fire in Bronx



    A gunman has opened fire inside a hospital in the Bronx borough of New York, injuring several people, police say.

    The man, said to have been dressed as a doctor and armed with a rifle, is now dead, they said.
    The shooting began at about 14:45 local time (18:45 GMT) at the 1,000-bed Bronx-Lebanon Hospital in the Mount Hope district.

    Police identified the gunman as Henry Bello, a former doctor at the hospital.
    Messages on social media spoke of doctors and nurses barricading themselves inside the building.
    from http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40461573
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    Meh.

    This is every day in 21st century America.
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    Yep, thread has been up for 2 hours, and you are the first to comment. Sad.
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    Once again, 2% of the counties account for over 90% of the shootings........


    Just another Liberal gone apesh!t..........
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    Quote Originally Posted by jack grebe View Post

    Just another Liberal gone apesh!t..........
    Strong in this one is the psychic force.

    I wish I could read minds like you Jack.
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    You bet, Nick. We have become accustomed to the daily slaughter in the U.S.A. And of course the political apologists offer all sorts of justifications, excuses and spurious explanations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Montgomery View Post
    You bet. We have become accustomed to the daily slaughter in the U.S.A.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    terminally infringe the freedom of some innocent US citizens.
    The shooter is dead though.
    from http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40461573
    According to the Times, the shooter killed a doctor before committing suicide.
    Police conducted an hour-long room-by-room search for the gunman, telling civilians to turn off the lights and remain in place, before he was found on the 17th floor, dead from a a self-inflicted gunshot wound after trying to set himself on fire. A female victim, thought to be a doctor, was found next to him.
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/w...ital-mg6tb2c2j
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    Yep, thread has been up for 2 hours, and you are the first to comment. Sad.
    It didn't happen in London otherwise Geng would have responded

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    And yet again..

    Pennsylvania teenager shot in road rage incident
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40461716
    Somewhere between Murder and Suicide, there is a place called Merseyside.

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    The price of freedom they tell me isla……….

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    You must be very free, you are paying a lot for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    The price of freedom they tell me isla……….
    Every day about 35 US citizens have their Freedom terminally infringed.

    http://www.bradycampaign.org/key-gun...nce-statistics
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    While I 'see' the 'right' that is offered by the Second Amendment to own firearms, in my opinion, what seems to be lacking is
    the corresponding 'responsibility' to use those firearms in a safe, rational manner. As a former US Navy Gunners Mate,
    I familiarized many of my shipmates on various small arms. There were some who did well, as well as some who wanted
    to 'play' with the weapons. Folks, there are not now, and never were, 'command-destruct' or 'do-over' or reset buttons on small
    arms ammunition. You HAVE to have a clear 'picture' of what you are aiming at, as well as what is beyond your aiming point.
    - I guess what the above rant is about, is I am tired of the senseless loss of life which could easily have been avoided

    Sorry for the rant, Scot, - now back to the originally scheduled thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by hawkeye54 View Post
    While I 'see' the 'right' that is offered by the Second Amendment to own firearms, in my opinion, what seems to be lacking is
    the corresponding 'responsibility' to use those firearms in a safe, rational manner. As a former US Navy Gunners Mate,
    I familiarized many of my shipmates on various small arms. There were some who did well, as well as some who wanted
    to 'play' with the weapons. Folks, there are not now, and never were, 'command-destruct' or 'do-over' or reset buttons on small
    arms ammunition. You HAVE to have a clear 'picture' of what you are aiming at, as well as what is beyond your aiming point.
    - I guess what the above rant is about, is I am tired of the senseless loss of life which could easily have been avoided

    Sorry for the rant, Scot, - now back to the originally scheduled thread

    Rick
    From the website in #15
    very day, 93 people die from gun violence:
    • 32 are murdered
    • 58 die from suicide
    • 1 killed unintentionally
    • 1 killed by legal intervention
    • 1 died but was intent unknown

    Every day, 222 people are shot and survive:

    • 164 injured in an attack
    • 10 survive a suicide attempt
    • 45 shot unintentionally
    • 3 are shot in a legal intervention

    It's time for Congress to finish the job and expand Brady background checks to stop criminals and other dangerous people from getting guns in America. Learn more and sign the Finish the Job petition.

    So out of the 315 per day, only 46 are shot unintentionally. Your points are well made, but misses the point.
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    Sorry, Nick - I suppose I was responding more to emotion this morning .. I went and reviewed the art threads to bring back some
    balance


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    Quote Originally Posted by hawkeye54 View Post
    Sorry, Nick - I suppose I was responding more to emotion this morning .. I went and reviewed the art threads to bring back some
    balance


    Rick
    Don't apologise, your post is entirely sensible, the same advice is given to budding toxophilists, bows are not toys, and always know what is behind your target.
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    "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome and charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime" Mark Twain... so... Carpe the living sh!t out of the Diem

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    A gunman has opened fire inside a hospital in the Bronx borough of New York, injuring several people, police say.

    The man, said to have been dressed as a doctor and armed with a rifle, is now dead, they said.
    The shooting began at about 14:45 local time (18:45 GMT) at the 1,000-bed Bronx-Lebanon Hospital in the Mount Hope district.

    Police identified the gunman as Henry Bello, a former doctor at the hospital.
    Messages on social media spoke of doctors and nurses barricading themselves inside the building.
    Like they say, the only solution to a bad doctor with a gun is a good doctor with a gun.

    We need to arm the doctors in hospitals. I certainly want the next fellow operating on me to be wearing a side arm.

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    I see that some here prefer that suicides are accomplished the way Robin Williams did his... kindness made manifest... suicide is nothing more than abortion where the baby gets to choose
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    Quote Originally Posted by jack grebe View Post
    Once again, 2% of the counties account for over 90% of the shootings........


    Just another Liberal gone apesh!t..........
    People with guns account for 100% of people shot by guns, no?
    May be some rough water ahead. We're getting new captain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hawkeye54 View Post
    While I 'see' the 'right' that is offered by the Second Amendment to own firearms, in my opinion, what seems to be lacking is
    the corresponding 'responsibility' to use those firearms in a safe, rational manner. As a former US Navy Gunners Mate,
    I familiarized many of my shipmates on various small arms. There were some who did well, as well as some who wanted
    to 'play' with the weapons. Folks, there are not now, and never were, 'command-destruct' or 'do-over' or reset buttons on small
    arms ammunition. You HAVE to have a clear 'picture' of what you are aiming at, as well as what is beyond your aiming point.
    - I guess what the above rant is about, is I am tired of the senseless loss of life which could easily have been avoided

    Sorry for the rant, Scot, - now back to the originally scheduled thread

    Rick
    Actually, the 2nd amendment does not say 'own', it says 'keep'. Art 8 of the constitution says the government is to arm the Militia. Word "own" just isn't there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CWSmith View Post
    Like they say, the only solution to a bad doctor with a gun is a good doctor with a gun.

    We need to arm the doctors in hospitals. I certainly want the next fellow operating on me to be wearing a side arm.
    Surely you'd want him to have something with a better accuracy at least? This turkey had an assault rifle, a side arm for a surgeon is manifestly inadequate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    Surely you'd want him to have something with a better accuracy at least? This turkey had an assault rifle, a side arm for a surgeon is manifestly inadequate.
    Good point. We need to design new slings so the surgeon can carry the weapon over their shoulder without interfering with his dexterity. I see a new industry developing. Guns actually do create jobs!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillip Allen View Post
    I see that some here prefer that suicides are accomplished the way Robin Williams did his... kindness made manifest... suicide is nothing more than abortion where the baby gets to choose
    I would much prefer that suicide is much harder to do, so that the person with issues has lots of time to think it through. A gun is so quick easy and final. At least with an overdose, there is a chance of pulling them back to think again.
    Less important but still relevant. An OD is much less distressing for the loved ones than finding the victims blood and brains splattered up the wall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    I would much prefer that suicide is much harder to do, so that the person with issues has lots of time to think it through. A gun is so quick easy and final. At least with an overdose, there is a chance of pulling them back to think again.
    Less important but still relevant. An OD is much less distressing for the loved ones than finding the victims blood and brains splattered up the wall.
    I'm sure that choking yourself to death is much harder and uncomfortable and you say you prefer more suffering?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillip Allen View Post
    I'm sure that chocking yourself to death is much harder and uncomfortable and you say you prefer more suffering?
    It is harder. That's why when you remove unrestricted access to firearms the suicide rate plummets. You've been told many times that most suicidal impulses are momentary and passing. Remove the ability to kill yourself instantly, and you save lives. Do you prefer more people killing themselves in a momentary place of dispair? I doubt that very much, and it would behoove you not to make similar accusations against others when you know you're wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Intrepid View Post
    It is harder. That's why when you remove unrestricted access to firearms the suicide rate plummets. You've been told many times that most suicidal impulses are momentary and passing. Remove the ability to kill yourself instantly, and you save lives. Do you prefer more people killing themselves in a momentary place of dispair? I doubt that very much, and it would behoove you not to make similar accusations against others when you know you're wrong.
    japan? got any proof of this "plummeting"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillip Allen View Post
    japan? got any proof of this "plummeting"
    I guess it's hard to prove that someone is a moron? There are times, however, when the proof is plain to see. Do you understand how that may be?
    "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome and charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime" Mark Twain... so... Carpe the living sh!t out of the Diem

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    I guess it's hard to prove that someone is a moron? There are times, however, when the proof is plain to see. Do you understand how that may be?
    speaking of morons... Japan has a very high rate of suicide and no guns
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    Quote Originally Posted by jack grebe View Post
    Once again, 2% of the counties account for over 90% of the shootings........


    Just another Liberal gone apesh!t..........
    Police said 17 people were hurt in a shooting early Saturday after a dispute at a downtown Little Rock nightclub. The city’s police chief said officers suspect multiple people fired weapons but that the incident was not terror-related.
    "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome and charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime" Mark Twain... so... Carpe the living sh!t out of the Diem

    I'd rather look back at my life and say "I can't believe I did that" instead of being there saying "I wish I'd done that"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillip Allen View Post
    japan? got any proof of this "plummeting"
    Japan, like the US, has well known cultural reasons for their high suicide rate. In Japan it's a cultural acceptance of suicide, in the US it's the cultural acceptance of a major risk factor in suicides, unrestricted access to firearms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Intrepid View Post
    Japan, like the US, has well known cultural reasons for their high suicide rate. In Japan it's a cultural acceptance of suicide, in the US it's the cultural acceptance of a major risk factor in suicides, unrestricted access to firearms.
    piffle...


    additionally... "unrestricted"? really?
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