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    Quote Originally Posted by KenStocker View Post
    What would you use western red for? I have a bunch available for free,(air dried at that!) but had thought it was too soft, and wouldn't hold screws enough to be of much use.
    Lots of marine uses. Planking for traditionally built clinker boats, for instance. Most of the solid stock in the hull of a Goat Island Skiff is spec'd as WRC... for adding lightness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David G View Post
    Wipe on/wipe off varnish is, essentially, varnish with oils and solvents added so it is applicable with a rag. Have you ever seen 'Daly's Pro-Fin'? It's an interior version of the product. Daly's also makes a product that's at the low end of the solids spectrum (more oil & solvents, less varnish) called 'Seafin Teak Oil'. It's a great product, just too slow to build a film, if a film is what you're after. A marine version of wipe-on varnish could be constructed with the Seafin product - to which you added spar varnish to suit. Daly's own "SuperSpar"... or any of the standard tung oil & phenolic formulations: Interlux #96; Epifanes; McCloskey's Man'O War; Z-Spar Flagship; etc. Or... you can simply use the Seafin Teak Oil. If used regularly, it'll hold up just fine.

    Skip the Watco - it has no UV additives. Urethane resins are very tough, but not as resilient for application where wood might move as phenolic resin formulations.
    I see you have included "McCloskey Man o' War" as a type of "tung oil & phenolic formulation" of varnish. Can you provide any documentation for that?

    I have been researching marine spar varnishes for a pair of sassafras oars and also gunwales, transom, and deck on Steve Redmond's Whisp. Here in the middle of USA one of the few non-urethane marine varnishes which I can buy locally is McCloskey Man o' War 7509 Gloss. Valspar's website links to a product sheet for 7509 (includes 7505 and 7507) - and tung oil is NOT listed as an ingredient. It says "Modified Alkyd Resins" 51% solids by weight, but nothing about what type of oil might be in it.

    McCloskey also makes two other series of Man o War varnish - the 6505/6507/6509, which are the "voc" versions. Product sheet shows "Modified Alkyd Resins" 63% solids by weight. And the 6535/6537/6539 series which do have "Phenolic Mod. Resin" and 51% solids by weight; oil not specified. By the way, the McCloskey cans are identical except for the product number on the front.

    For those who have never worked with sassafras, it's harder than spruce, but quite a bit softer than ash. I expect the relatively soft sassafras oars and outwwales to get banged around some, so I want a flexible varnish. So I'm trying to decide if it's worth to trouble to order McCloskey 6539, Interlux 96, Epifanes, Z-Spar Flagship, etc. - or is the McCloskey 7509 close enough, even if it turns out not to be tung / phenolic based ?

    I should add that the Whisp skiff is a car topper, and both the skiff and the oars will be stored under cover when not in use, so UV protection is not a big concern.
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    Quote Originally Posted by runswithsizzers View Post
    I see you have included "McCloskey Man o' War" as a type of "tung oil & phenolic formulation" of varnish. Can you provide any documentation for that?

    I have been researching marine spar varnishes for a pair of sassafras oars and also gunwales, transom, and deck on Steve Redmond's Whisp. Here in the middle of USA one of the few non-urethane marine varnishes which I can buy locally is McCloskey Man o' War 7509 Gloss. Valspar's website links to a product sheet for 7509 (includes 7505 and 7507) - and tung oil is NOT listed as an ingredient. It says "Modified Alkyd Resins" 51% solids by weight, but nothing about what type of oil might be in it.

    McCloskey also makes two other series of Man o War varnish - the 6505/6507/6509, which are the "voc" versions. Product sheet shows "Modified Alkyd Resins" 63% solids by weight. And the 6535/6537/6539 series which do have "Phenolic Mod. Resin" and 51% solids by weight; oil not specified. By the way, the McCloskey cans are identical except for the product number on the front.

    For those who have never worked with sassafras, it's harder than spruce, but quite a bit softer than ash. I expect the relatively soft sassafras oars and outwwales to get banged around some, so I want a flexible varnish. So I'm trying to decide if it's worth to trouble to order McCloskey 6539, Interlux 96, Epifanes, Z-Spar Flagship, etc. - or is the McCloskey 7509 close enough, even if it turns out not to be tung / phenolic based ?

    I should add that the Whisp skiff is a car topper, and both the skiff and the oars will be stored under cover when not in use, so UV protection is not a big concern.
    Don't get it secondhand from some dude on the internet (me). Call them directly, ask for tech services, and get your questions answered straight from the source.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David G View Post
    Don't get it secondhand from some dude on the internet (me). Call them directly, ask for tech services, and get your questions answered straight from the source.
    Good point! I was hoping maybe you had seen some official mfg information that I haven't.

    I used Man o War Spar varnish on a yellow pine trestle table I made 40 years ago and I am amazed at how well the varnish has held up. But that table has been kept indoors, and who knows, maybe the formula has changed since then ?

    I'll call the mfg tomorrow and see what they have to say.

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    Speaking of the Tammie Norrie coming to Coos Bay, , it is actually now a reality! On Monday I ordered the kit from Hewes & Company. In 3 to 4 weeks, my dream of building my own boat will commence! I plan on savoring every moment. Ironically, I have done a lot of woodworking, but mostly with oak, or if it was to be painted, with hemlock, alder, or whatever was most inexpensive. So part of my anticipation is to work with woods that I have never used, such as mahogany, Port Orford Cedar, etc. (Maybe Walnut for some cleats and blocks?) Also to use more traditional tools, such as planes and chisels, instead of power tools. Should be fun, and I'm also looking forward to sharing the journey as I go.

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    Looking forward to seeing the boat go together!
    I was born on a wooden boat that I built myself.

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    Thanks for the encouragement Rich, me too!

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    Yeah... me too.

    Is it done yet? Yanno... the Depoe Bay Wooden Boat Show is in April. You could show her off there. Next great opportunity would be Toledo in August.
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    April David? What makes you think it would take so long? Although it's somewhat like telling my wife I'd have her table finished by Christmas...I just didn't specify which year! You'll just have to make sure those boat shows keep happening for the foreseeable future. BTW, what weekend in April? (Seriously speaking just for fun!)

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