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    Default Re: Redwing goes north, take two

    I think Gary is doing much more than he expected Hwyl…...

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    Meeting a mate down there for coffee tomorrow Gary, I’ll come by and say gidday
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    Ouch. Not sure what you have in mind for a repair there, but I hope it involves something close to full sheets of ply fore n aft, going chine to sheer. Doing that piecemeal just looks like a structural recipie for disaster, to put it bluntly.
    Not my boat, not my $, but IMHO you'll get a better looking far stronger result, much faster, if you can do that whole side above the chine all the back to the transom in one or two pieces, especially if it is coming apart reasonably easily.
    If yard time is money, eliminating the shagging around making lots of little bits fit will probably cover the cost of any extra material used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hwyl View Post
    You're doing much more than I expected.
    I'm doing much more than I expected!
    My take is that if you poke someone with a sharp stick they'll get annoyed, if you smile and shake their hand they will be your friends.

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    Pete is right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
    Pete is right.
    I've had to borrow and do a work for work exchange just to do this level of repair. Boats are a compromise and that applies to the work we do on them as well. And it won't be over when she goes back in either. And here's a few photos at least one will be of why we put ourselves through this hell.
    Last edited by WX; 07-03-2017 at 03:45 AM.
    My take is that if you poke someone with a sharp stick they'll get annoyed, if you smile and shake their hand they will be your friends.

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    Bugger it I can't get them post and I'm too nackered to care.
    My take is that if you poke someone with a sharp stick they'll get annoyed, if you smile and shake their hand they will be your friends.

    John Welsford

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    The invitation to put her on a truck bring her out to my shed still stands Gary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    The invitation to put her on a truck bring her out to my shed still stands Gary.
    An order of budget magnitude I don't even want to think about Peter but thanks anyway. She should be back in by the weekend, we will go for our sail and I will sail her home. Where cockpit will altered, with maybe even quarter berths fitted.
    My take is that if you poke someone with a sharp stick they'll get annoyed, if you smile and shake their hand they will be your friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    I've had to borrow and do a work for work exchange just to do this level of repair. Boats are a compromise and that applies to the work we do on them as well. And it won't be over when she goes back in either. And here's a few photos at least one will be of why we put ourselves through this hell.
    True enough. Balia needs a whole new deck really, but patching a few more bits is likely to be the order of the day for some time yet. I'd sooner spend any extra dough on new sails, provided the decks keep most of the water out.

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    I was talking to a woman today when on my way to the showers. And I realised something. I'm working hard here and my body aches but I'm actually enjoying this and that is a big deal. I'm not worrying or thinking about the stuff that has been filling my life with stress...okay in a couple of weeks Redwing will be back in her berth and I will be back on the Co-op dealing with mad people and roadworks but right now I'm working on my boat and next week I will be sailing on Moreton Bay.
    Last edited by WX; 07-04-2017 at 05:06 AM.
    My take is that if you poke someone with a sharp stick they'll get annoyed, if you smile and shake their hand they will be your friends.

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    Well said Gary, onward and upward !
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    Having time to just work on the boat is a treasure, that's for sure!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    Well said Gary, onward and upward !
    Glad you rang today even if I was in the middle of gluing on the second layer of port side beam shelf. David rang tonight and he will be back down on Friday to help put the cockpit back together. And it was good to see Greg yesterday. I've been keeping notes of day to day work and I'm missing a day. The turnover in boats here is amazing...Redwing is very much one of a kind in this place though.
    My take is that if you poke someone with a sharp stick they'll get annoyed, if you smile and shake their hand they will be your friends.

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    If you haven't already, butt blocks epoxied in behind as many of those unscarphed vertical plank joints as possible would do a lot to help keep her on the water. Cheap (they are just scraps of ply) and something you can do after you leave the yard.

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    Gary's doing that Pete.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    Gary's doing that Pete.
    Lots of them!
    should have the planking all done and the starboard side deck back on today.
    My take is that if you poke someone with a sharp stick they'll get annoyed, if you smile and shake their hand they will be your friends.

    John Welsford

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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    Lots of them!
    should have the planking all done and the starboard side deck back on today.
    Pleased to hear it - really

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    Fast work, well done

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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    I have one of those.
    Nearly had serious accident with the angle grinder this morning. I had a thin metal cutting disk in it and when I turned it on the disk flew apart. Half of it embedded in right shirt sleeve over my bicep, it broke the skin but that's all. Lucky. I'll take some photos tomorrow. I was flat chat today mentally and physically...it was the only option. I don't know if they hire out chainsaws here.
    Those little sanders turn very fast. Most of the grinding I do on wood is at 2000 or 3000 rpm.
    Using the wrong sander is how they get such a bad reputation.

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    Well starboard side bar about two feet is done. I forgot I had a bit of port side beam shelf and a couple of stringer repairs to do on the port side, any that side is not done, nearly was but we copped some light rain and I had to pack up. It was getting late and I needed a shower anyway. I've officially delayed launch till next Monday and David returns Friday to help put the cockpit back together. A young marine motor mechanic was looking at my outboard today so I'm getting him to service it.
    My take is that if you poke someone with a sharp stick they'll get annoyed, if you smile and shake their hand they will be your friends.

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    It sounds as you're doing well Gary .... Good on you.
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    Happy birthday!

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    Happy birthday. How's Amy by the way?

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    Have a good Birthday Gary.

    It's good to see Red Wing coming together ...again .
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    Many happy returns! You, not the boat! Will you go straight to Moreton Bay from there Gary?

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    Thanks guys. Bruce Amy is as lovely as always.
    Rick I think not to head up to Moreton as soon as we splash would criminal after all this hard work.
    My take is that if you poke someone with a sharp stick they'll get annoyed, if you smile and shake their hand they will be your friends.

    John Welsford

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    Quote Originally Posted by epoxyboy View Post
    If you haven't already, butt blocks epoxied in behind as many of those unscarphed vertical plank joints as possible would do a lot to help keep her on the water. Cheap (they are just scraps of ply) and something you can do after you leave the yard.

    Pete
    Those butt blocks would strengthen of course and therefore there's no reason not to fit them. But was wondering...if the new ply pieces he is fixing to the hull are epoxy glued to good ply and the joints filled, sanded and then the whole repaired area is glassed over, wouldn't that provide sufficient strength anyway, given he's not off to Antarctica? Not disagreeing at all, just idle curiosity...

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    Possibly, yes, but I'd say but blocks are a good investment of very little additional time and money. One of the American box boat designers advocates what you suggest. I think there's an example of it failing in the Lumberyard Skiff thread.

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    It would work if the new buts were scarfed in with quite long diagonal scarfs or substantial half-lap joints but otherwise, a couple of layers of glass is nowhere near stiff enough to splint butt joints.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFNK View Post
    It would work if the new buts were scarfed in with quite long diagonal scarfs or substantial half-lap joints but otherwise, a couple of layers of glass is nowhere near stiff enough to splint butt joints.

    Rick
    Although that is precisely what Payson or whoever it is reccomended.

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    And it makes me wonder ....

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    I wouldn't do it.

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    Happy birthday Gary, great progress.
    As a ' rule of thumb' the butt block length for plywood should be approx 15 times the skin thickness each side of the joint . ie 9mm ply skin will require a butt block of 15x9x2 = 270mm long. The butt block material being the same thickness as the skin.

    Just checked my 50+ year old copy of 'Hartley's Guide to Boat Building' and it refers to... ''8 inch butt straps being glued and clench nailed to the planking ''.
    Last edited by Neil C; 07-06-2017 at 02:27 AM.

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    If I had the boat in my shed...which I don't. The repairs would be far better than they are. Any David has butchered the cockpit, we've had a beer and now it's food and a birthday chocolate mud cake with strawberries made by his wife.
    My take is that if you poke someone with a sharp stick they'll get annoyed, if you smile and shake their hand they will be your friends.

    John Welsford

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