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    I officially took over the care of Salty Dog this afternoon - driving it a few blocks from my friend's house to my driveway, eliciting quizzical stares from my two kids upon arrival.

    I haven't developed a plan yet, but do think this 1909 Cape Cod power dory is cute as a button, and, given her age and provenance, is worth doing right. As an aside, I do like that she was launched the same year as my gaffer, Venture. There is no urgency, so I think this will be a slow burn project.

    For you engine folks, Salty Dog is powered by a c.1950 Palmer Baby Huskie that was recently rebuilt, and I plan on finishing a heat exchanger cooling system, and fixing a few odds 'n ends. The magneto was rebuilt last year.

    The hull needs lots of love, but because of her limited size (18' x 5'4"), a full rebuild isn't an unreasonable scope. I'd like to keep as much original as I can, but know right away Salty Dog needs a new backbone, and a number of planks and frames. So, yeah, most of the hull....

    I'm hoping someone out there has more info on these powered dories. It would be ideal to get some drawings, plans, lines, etc. The hull has lost considerable shape on the bunks and I'd like to fix that, consistent with the original design. Right now, I'm in an info gathering phase and "do no harm" mindset while I develop a plan.







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    I like it!
    I'll be following your progress with great interest.

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    Fantastic! Looking forward to this.

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    That engine needs to be red and green. Will be watching.

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    What a great little boat!!!
    I don’t suppose you would be interested in bringing her down to the Antique Marine Engine show at Mystic Seaport this weekend (8/15 & 16). She would fit right in! (Free admission with a display registration - they are accepting “walk in” registrations on both days).

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    Thanks all, it should be fun, and sorry Ned, but I'll have to miss the show. I'm interested, but getting off and on Martha's Vineyard in a pinch with a trailer is tough (and expensive). I'll mark my calendar for next year though - it's a really nice idea.

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    What a score. Great looking boat!

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    Wow! Following.

    Good on you for taking her on!

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    Great boat! What’s the pipe coming from the transom? Doesn't seem like
    it could be exhaust?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorB View Post
    Thanks all, it should be fun, and sorry Ned, but I'll have to miss the show. I'm interested, but getting off and on Martha's Vineyard in a pinch with a trailer is tough (and expensive). I'll mark my calendar for next year though - it's a really nice idea.
    I didn’t realize you are on the Vineyard,... completely understand!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cstevens View Post
    Great boat! What’s the pipe coming from the transom? Doesn't seem like
    it could be exhaust?
    It certainly is the exhaust - I lost the rusty soup can on the drive that kept rain out - must be on the next block. I'm not sure that's the original exhaust placement. I'm all ears if anyone knows otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorB View Post
    It certainly is the exhaust - I lost the rusty soup can on the drive that kept rain out - must be on the next block. I'm not sure that's the original exhaust placement. I'm all ears if anyone knows otherwise.
    No reason why not, but without the elbow and shiny pipe. They were probably fitted to stop soot buildup on the transom.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    I'll be following!
    I was born on a wooden boat that I built myself.

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    Look what's not there!

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    First step was to pull the engine. So I grabbed a fir beam, tossed it on top of the grape pergola, and rigged up a few blocks and odds 'n ends. Used a prussik for the bitter end, which I haven't done in a while - oddly satisfying. *Voila* the Palmer is out.









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    Good idea to keep those leaves out of her bilge. Rot never sleeps
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    leaves out, yes.

    In moving the engine, I noticed what I imagine is a missing grub screw. Note the oil trail. This doesn't seem right.



    Hmmmm. Checked the gearbox and oil. needs a little clean-up and new oil - no problem.




    pancakes, anyone?

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    Its good to change the water in the gearcase from time to time...
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    Hi.
    The Palmer BH is on my workbench now, and some reconditioning has started.
    Question: The rated compression is 100 psi. What pressure would one expect after two manual spins of the flywheel? (I sure ain't getting 100#)
    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorB View Post
    Hi.
    The Palmer BH is on my workbench now, and some reconditioning has started.
    Question: The rated compression is 100 psi. What pressure would one expect after two manual spins of the flywheel? (I sure ain't getting 100#)
    Thanks.
    Will that not depend on how oily the bore and piston rings might be?
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    Will that not depend on how oily the bore and piston rings might be?
    Exactly. Squirt some oil in there and see what you get. Plus if the motor has been sitting for enough time you won't get an accurate compression reading no matter what. Rings might be sticking, minor oxidation on the bore may need to be broken down, etc. You would have to run it for a bit before it will give a good reading.
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    It would, for sure, so I poured a little oil down the petcock. I'm just wondering what might seem "normal" (or at least acceptable), before I crack it open for a wholesale rebuild.

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    Alright, alright.
    Changing things up. Give me some guesses as to what you think I got after two cranks, and the closest submission by midnight EST will receive a laser-cut Zenith bowl gasket for an 87 series

    (Ned, I think I still owe you some)

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    I’ll bite. Can’t be too low or you wouldn’t stop at two spins. I’d be happy with anything over 75-80 psi I think, given the condition of the motor. So I’m going to say 77 beans in the jar.
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    I’ll take a guess at,..... oh,... 85.

    on my Chrysler Crowns that had been sitting for 14 years, after a little bit of running they had anything from about 10 to 80 psi. After maybe 20 hours of running under load I was getting about 115 +/-10% across all twelve cylinders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cstevens View Post
    I’ll bite. Can’t be too low or you wouldn’t stop at two spins.
    It's a rope pull, so I have limited throw...but I like your thinking.

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    Presumably you have been on the Antique Marine Engine web site where there is a bunch of information.

    As far as the dory itself goes, there is literature in the various period marine magazines; I'm not sure if there are any plans around. Mystic has a few power dories as does Maine Maritime Museum. Structure is basic dory; you might check in with Graham up at the Lowell dory shop for specific answers. I'm seeing mostly bent frames which in someways are easier to deal with than sawn frames. The biggest hassle in rebuilding a dory bottom is the way they are put together, the bottom is not easily replaceable.

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    I know the suspense is killing you.
    After all entries were submitted, publicly and privately, Chris is the winner with 77#. PM me your mailing address and I'll send you your very own laser-cut gasket! Congratulations.


    Given that the BH hasn't been run for a year (and only a few minutes last summer), I'm going to simply fix the water pump, clean the carburetor, check/adjust valve clearances, and see how it runs before doing anything more. I'm guessing the compression will increase a bit once it shakes out some cobwebs. The magneto was serviced last year. More anon.

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    Hey - I won! Awesome. And good plan regarding the motor. I’d love to see video of it running.
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    Super-cool project, Doctor! I just love the lettering on the transom. I hope you can keep it (the transom) or at least preserve it with the name for posterity. Hanging in boat shop?

    Good luck, glad your engine is running!

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    Very good! 70 is more than enough for it to run, and as you said it will most likely improve with some running time.

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    ...sadly I have no vehicles that use a Zenith 87 series carburetor so I will forfeit the prize. I'm happy for it to go to Ned if he has a use for it.
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    Outstanding! Looking forward to following this thread!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael_Owen View Post
    I just love the lettering on the transom. I hope you can keep it (the transom) or at least preserve it with the name for posterity. Hanging in boat shop?
    Mike
    I'm with you. I haven't totally poked around, but I'm hoping to save it too. I actually think the transom can be repaired quite readily and I'll take tracings of the lettering to replicate if it comes to that.

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    Default Re: Rebuilding Salty Dog - a 1909 Cape Cod Power Dory

    I recently rebuilt a 1905 power dory.The thread is somewhere here on the forum. Sadly the motor did not come with the hull and I converted it to electric. Your hull is more rounded than what I consider to be a dory hull, but I am no expert. Looking at the sheer she sure does put me in mind of a dory. I will be watching with interest, and good luck. No doubt you will find surprises as you go along as I did with mine. BTW, great name, gonna keep it?
    Here is a link to a blog I kept about the build
    http://wonderdogboatworks.blogspot.com
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