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    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/...cid=spartanntp

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    https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SplendidEl...restricted.gif
    If you can get that to work you will see a lot of water being pumped OB
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    The nightly news said there are sailors unaccounted for.

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    Sounds as though the merchanter T-boned the destroyer, just about where the mast is.

    Images broadcast by NHK showed the U.S. ship has been struck on its starboard side next to its Aegis radar arrays behind its vertical launch tubes.
    Official U.S. Navy file photo of The Arleigh Burke class guided-missile destroyer USS Fitzgerald (DDG 62)


    DANG! Peerie posted his gif while I was assembling my post.
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    1 injured, 7 Missing is the latest.

    Video from NHK English

    Tore it up

    https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20170617_11/
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    Preliminarily, it would appear that the Container Ship was the Stand-On Vessel.

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    Any possibility we will ever get the particulars?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholas Scheuer
    Preliminarily, it would appear that the Container Ship was the Stand-On Vessel.
    If so Gerarddm is spot on: the CO, OOD, and helmsman are totally screwed. I hope all the sailors presently missing are found alive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Montgomery View Post
    If so Gerarddm is spot on: the CO, OOD, and helmsman are totally screwed. I hope all the sailors presently missing are found alive.
    I would not find the helmsman at fault. It was night and helmsmen do what they are told. It appears that the destroyer was crossing the other ships bow, and the other ship was on the destroyer's right. Was not the destroyer the burdened vessel?

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    Yes, ahp, unless there was something else going on with each ship's relative position. I'm wondering whether the Container ship's bridge could even see the destroyer right under his bow.

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    "see" it at night? I have heard military ships at night that were not painted on radar,it is normal for cop boats to run dark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wizbang 13 View Post
    "see" it at night? I have heard military ships at night that were not painted on radar,it is normal for cop boats to run dark.
    The Arleigh Burke design incorporates stealth techniques,such as the angled rather than traditional vertical surfaces and the tripod mainmast, [14][15] which make the ship more difficult to detect...
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    ……..until you give it a poke with a container ship that is………...

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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    ……..until you give it a poke with a container ship that is………...

    "Dang, where did that come from?"
    We went from LA to Auckland on a small container ship that frequently had only a single officer on watch (i.e. actually on the bridge) and what with messing with a computer, brewing tea, going to the loo, etc. that officer was only actually paying attention about half the time. At one point, I spotted a small inter-island cargo ship on an intersecting course and informed the watch (he was surprised).
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    More here


    from http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-40310563

    The Marine Traffic records show that the ACX Crystal made a U turn 25 minutes before the collision, but at 25 minutes that should ot have much relevance.
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    Guys- Need more information. Photos of damage to both vessels show that ACS Crystal was damaged on her Port Bow and based on what we see of USNS Fitzgerald it would appear that the ACS crystal was steaming an almost parallel course to Fitgerald (or maneuvering to avoid perhaps) In other words: not apparently a "T-bone" More to come. Not sure of the situation yet but, as as ship captain myself, I do reflect upon the often seen reaction to hang the Captain. (Joe Hazelwood is a good example) Sometimes the crew just does not follow the orders or something happens while the Captain is not on the bridge- Captains do sleep sometimes.
    eg: Once upon a time- I gave the watch to my licensed and qualified mate down bound in the St.Lawrence River below Quebec City. I retired to my cabin after spending the night negotiating the River and Locks. Sometime later my mate ran out of the channel (in clear daylight) and aground. Where was the Captain?

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    Both ships would have AIS wouldn't they ? Even if the watch wasn't watching surely there are bridge alarms of approaching vessels ? It's a WAR ship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    Both ships would have AIS wouldn't they ? Even if the watch wasn't watching surely there are bridge alarms of approaching vessels ? It's a WAR ship.
    Have you seen the bridge of a US warship? So many people that it is standing room only. This was not a lack of people looking out of the windows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    Have you seen the bridge of a US warship? So many people that it is standing room only. This was not a lack of people looking out of the windows.
    so what's up with the protective hoods and gloves? looks like firefighting underegarments.
    i note the british navy sailors wear similar protective gear during exercises

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    Heater broke.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    Have you seen the bridge of a US warship? So many people that it is standing room only. This was not a lack of people looking out of the windows.
    On a hi tech ship like that I'd expect proximity warnings going off all over the place.
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    I would expect some level of panic..... Missing sailors may have prematurely abandoned
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    Meanwhile the Toddler In Chief has yet to utter a single word in public about the incident, but has left key naval posts in Japan unfilled. He's quite vocal about his own predicament. 'Scumbag' doesn't begin to describe him.
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    The guided missile destroyer is a sister ship to the Lassen that my son served on as OS. Lotsa young, half-trained, half-bright kids running them things. He's got some funny stories about f'ups that didn't happen to result in such a catastrophe.

    My thoughts go out to the missing sailors and their families. Long odds against them, most likely.
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    The hell is up with the Container ship doing a 360, (not a u turn)?
    No military ship is going to broadcast AIS, so we do not know what it had been doing.
    I smell a rat.
    ...did the ship do the odd maneuver AFTER being hit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wizbang 13 View Post
    The hell is up with the Container ship doing a 360, (not a u turn)?
    No military ship is going to broadcast AIS, so we do not know what it had been doing.
    I smell a rat.
    ...did the ship do the odd maneuver AFTER being hit?
    The "U" turn was 25 minutes before the collision, see my post #15.
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    You think the "U" turn is a co incidence?
    It doubled back on the "U" turn , why I am calling it a 360.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wizbang 13 View Post
    You think the "U" turn is a co incidence?
    It doubled back on the "U" turn , why I am calling it a 360.
    You are sounding like a conspiracy theorist.
    Dunno why the container ship reverses its course 25 minutes before the collision. From the data available we do not know whether it turned back before or after the collision, but having been on the reciprocal course for 25 minutes, the first U turn is irrelevant. If it was manoeuvring at the time of the collision is more to the point, something that the available data does not make plain. However the destroyer is by far the more manoeuvrable, so probably should have avoided the collision.
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    So according to the link in post #15, the container ship made a 90 degree right turn, then back on course, then a 180 degree left turn, then after the collision made a 180 degree right turn and continued on. WTF.

    If i get 2 miles off course, I've got a lot of splaining to do.

    is this common behavior. I'm I misunderstanding what I'm seeing?

    did they get in a situation where they were both counter acting each other's evasive action an hit each other.
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    Conspiracy theorist!?
    If it were not for the odd twisting around of the big ship, I may have thought " oh stuff happens".
    I do not think the first "U" turn was irrelevant. I do not believe in co incidences.
    That makes me a conspiracy theorist?
    I got no theory, just smells fishy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CK 17 View Post
    So according to the link in post #15, the container ship made a 90 degree right turn, then back on course, then a 180 degree left turn, then after the collision made a 180 degree right turn and continued on. WTF.

    If i get 2 miles off course, I've got a lot of splaining to do.

    is this common behavior. I'm I misunderstanding what I'm seeing?

    did they get in a situation where they were both counter acting each other's evasive action an hit each other.
    Where in this lot


    is the collision, bearing in mind that the destroyer is not shown.
    As to "did they get in a situation where they were both counter acting each other's evasive action an hit each other" it is called "Radar assisted collision" in the trade.
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    That's an awfully funny coarse for a merchant ship, my time at sea was spent choosing the fastest safe route time is money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    Both ships would have AIS wouldn't they ? Even if the watch wasn't watching surely there are bridge alarms of approaching vessels ? It's a WAR ship.
    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    Have you seen the bridge of a US warship? So many people that it is standing room only. This was not a lack of people looking out of the windows.
    I have never seen a US Navy ship display an AIS signal, and I've sen a lot of them running without lights. Coastguard ships sometimes run dark too.

    I've never seen the bridge of a US warship, but I've spoken with a handful. They display a scary level of incompetence on the radio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    Where in this lot


    is the collision, bearing in mind that the destroyer is not shown.
    As to "did they get in a situation where they were both counter acting each other's evasive action an hit each other" it is called "Radar assisted collision" in the trade.
    According to post #15, they did a u-turn 25 minutes before the collision. I only see one u-turn so one could conclude it happened near the end of that almost complete loop. That leaves me with a lot of questions about the maneuvering.

    If the collision occurred at the first turn, some of the subsequent maneuvers might make sense, at least to me.

    How many any possible legitimate reasons are there to turn a container ship around?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CK 17 View Post

    How many any possible legitimate reasons are there to turn a container ship around?
    Maybe they saw the U.S. Navy destroyer and other U.S. Navy ships on their radar. You gotta think these ships were giving fast and relatively large radars returns and may have been being steered in non linear path. Maybe they realized they were soon gonna be in contact with the military and decided it prudent to try to give them room.
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