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    American berserk

    Donald Trump’s presidency feels both unprecedented and oddly familiar

    BY DON WATSON

    It will be recognised with slavery and the Civil War. It will be recognised with World War One and the Great Depression. It will be recognised with World War Two. It will be recognised with the 1950s, and the red baiting and the witch hunting. It will be recognised with the tragedy of Vietnam, as a period of confusion and disaster.
    – Paul Soglin, mayor of Madison, Wisconsin

    The election of Donald Trump – even the nomination of Donald Trump – and events since his inauguration are like nothing that has ever happened in the United States. It unseats the habit of our minds to believe that whatever happens had to happen. To borrow a word from Philip Roth, it “defatalizes” things. Donald Trump becomes president of the United States. As one commentator said, it sounds like the logline for a high-concept movie. One of the many reasons why he won is that millions of Americans could not take the concept seriously. Now they have to take the fact seriously.

    And yet the uncanniest thing is the sense that Trump’s election is a simulacrum for all manner of events imagined or foretold that hover in the back rows of our consciousness – way back from the daily flow of news, spin, messaging and commentary. A scam artist, an ignoramus, a professional liar, a colossal and malignant narcissist, a vulgarian, a casino operator, a serial bankrupt – a Roy Cohn–mentored billionaire with deep Mob connections – is in the White House. Has there ever been a more American presidency? What took them so long?

    For devotees of HL Mencken, these are days of vindication. In a presidential election, he declared around 1920, “all the odds were on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre”. It was the logic of democracy, he said, that the people would one day get their heart’s desire and put a “downright moron” in the White House. While understandable, the widespread belief that George W Bush fulfilled Mencken’s prophecy has proved premature. In the extent and depth of his deviousness and mediocrity – in the sheer grandeur of it – Donald Trump is to Dubya as Mighty Mouse is to Mickey. Dubya was just a shallow son of the political elite, one easily manipulated by tough guys like Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld. (Though his manifest inadequacy did not stand in the way of re-election, let us never forget.) But Trump is the King Kong of shallowness: the only deep things about him are his roots in the American psyche. He brings forth not just the pout, the hair and the ties, but the greed, indulgence and psychotic menace of the “indigenous American berserk” – to call on Roth again. The mistake of his opponents – including the satirists – has been to focus on his otherness: in truth he’s dredged straight from the brute material of American culture.

    More at the link ..... https://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/...erican-berserk
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    The Australians, NZlanders, Brits ,Canadians and our liberals have more rage and hate for DT then they do ISIS..

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    He's doing more harm to your country than ISIS.
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    As Peter said, Trump's actions so far and those proposed will most likely have a vastly greater impact on our country, our children and our grandchildren than ISIS ever will.

    However, it remains to be seen if Trump's reactions to ISIS, North Korea, and other real or perceived threats will have a more immediate and personal impact on the lives of my 2 draft-aged sons.


    I don't necessarily disagree with the suggestion in the OP, that Trump represents the quintessential American character. But, come election time, I always hope against hope that we can rise above that. Sometimes we do, often we don't.


    Bobbys - If you're going to try to support Trump, show a shred of integrity and refute the OP rather than raising a straw man and dodging the argument entirely.

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    Trump is about the most obnoxious excuse for a politician I've ever seen elected but I remain optimistic enough to suspect he's not a typical American. I think all Americans should be ashamed of him and I suspect that by now, most probably are. My in-laws are now pretending to be Canadian.

    Our politicians aren't much better though. You can safely bet that whatever crap Trump gets the US involved in, our sycophantic flock will happily take us there.

    I wonder if I could pass as a Kiwi?

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    Are the Kiwis accepting political refugees from Oz Rick? Mum was a Kiwi.
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    I'm pretty sure they are. We have a lot of them ...

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    Dunedin would be nice .
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    Dunedin has the coldest water I've ever been in! No, the deep north for me!

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    It has a great harbour though.... but I haven't been there since I was 24 .
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbys View Post
    The Australians, NZlanders, Brits ,Canadians and our liberals have more rage and hate for DT then they do ISIS..
    I'd hardly call it rage from us here in NZ, more, the thought that its better than watching soap operas on tv.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFNK View Post
    Dunedin has the coldest water I've ever been in! No, the deep north for me!

    Rick
    Keep going north, I can testify that Port Townsend WA has much colder water than Dunedin and there are a LOT of small boats there.

    No comparison though with the Straits of Magellan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    Dunedin would be nice .
    I lived in Dunedin for quite a few years, its a nice place to sail and if your boat is trailerable those big lakes in Central Otago are wonderful cruising grounds.

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    I liked Otago too, good building stone !
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    Owing too our hosting of several facilities essential to the defence of America and the extension of it's military we are unlikely to be other than a dag on the coat tails of the US foe the foreseeable future. Any power going to war with the US would be like to target those facilities as one of the first priorities as that would truncate the accuracy of any response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john welsford View Post
    Keep going north, I can testify that Port Townsend WA has much colder water than Dunedin and there are a LOT of small boats there.

    No comparison though with the Straits of Magellan.

    John Welsford
    Oh no, no further north than that island with the oranges thanks! I do actually like Dunedin a lot. Great architecture and very beautiful countryside, very close!

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    Dunedin Harbour.

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    I agree with the OP and have stated that here during and after the election. The election of DT is a sad commentary on current American culture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich Jones View Post
    I agree with the OP and have stated that here during and after the election. The election of DT is a sad commentary on current American culture.
    We saw him, heard him and were frankly gobsmacked that the US would elect such a barbarian.
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    From the OP reference
    John Feffer, a foreign policy commentator and author of a dystopian novel called Splinterlands, imagines Trump unshackling the states that gave him the presidency – “America B” – from federal authority and creating by the beginning of his second term a United States “in name only”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbys View Post
    the australians, nzlanders, brits ,canadians and our liberals have more rage and hate for dt then they do isis..
    rotflmao.
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    What do Australians think.............? You would think that if you where in a position where anyone had a bit of real dirt on you, you wouldn't stand a chance of becoming the national leader....... WTF??


    Re his connections to the Mob......Roy Cohn
    http://www.news.com.au/world/north-a...c627e97f8d09e6

    or if you prefer your own media:
    http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/31/po...ump-mob-mafia/

    or for a more in depth look:
    http://www.salon.com/2017/04/18/trum...ng-on_partner/

    ........just on area of the many causes for concern.

    oh and this is interesting reading; Personality profile of Donald Trump:
    http://personality-politics.org/donald-trump
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    Quote Originally Posted by RFNK View Post
    Trump is about the most obnoxious excuse for a politician I've ever seen elected but I remain optimistic enough to suspect he's not a typical American. I think all Americans should be ashamed of him and I suspect that by now, most probably are. My in-laws are now pretending to be Canadian.

    Our politicians aren't much better though. You can safely bet that whatever crap Trump gets the US involved in, our sycophantic flock will happily take us there.

    I wonder if I could pass as a Kiwi?

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    That article should be more along the lines of 'Who's more outraged, the US libs or foreign libs?'. hahahaha MAGA

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    I'm afraid our Kiwi speech at home was rather more the "correct British version" Pete. "Keeping up Appearances ".
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    He's doing more harm to your country than ISIS.
    and mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hallam View Post
    What do Australians think.............? You would think that if you where in a position where anyone had a bit of real dirt on you, you wouldn't stand a chance of becoming the national leader....... WTF??


    Re his connections to the Mob......Roy Cohn
    http://www.news.com.au/world/north-a...c627e97f8d09e6

    or if you prefer your own media:
    http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/31/po...ump-mob-mafia/

    or for a more in depth look:
    http://www.salon.com/2017/04/18/trum...ng-on_partner/

    ........just on area of the many causes for concern.

    oh and this is interesting reading; Personality profile of Donald Trump:
    http://personality-politics.org/donald-trump
    I think, given that resume, a case could be made for refusing him entry as a person of ill repute.................. if he wasn't POTUS of course and in that case most Australian mainstream politicians would line up too lick his boots.
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    Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country. John Fn Kennedy. (D)

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    22%

    Still, with 40% no show I guess the majority deserve him.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFNK View Post
    Trump is about the most obnoxious excuse for a politician I've ever seen elected but I remain optimistic enough to suspect he's not a typical American. I think all Americans should be ashamed of him and I suspect that by now, most probably are. My in-laws are now pretending to be Canadian.

    Our politicians aren't much better though. You can safely bet that whatever crap Trump gets the US involved in, our sycophantic flock will happily take us there.

    I wonder if I could pass as a Kiwi?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbys View Post
    The Australians, NZlanders, Brits ,Canadians and our liberals have more rage and hate for DT then they do ISIS..
    If one was to use your reasoning one could say you have rage and hate for those who have a negative opinion of Trump. Bobbys, why are you so full of rage and hate?

    Btw if you read any thing beyond Fox News you would discover more conservatives with a negative opinion of Trump than any Republican president in recent memory.

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    I see bobbys through citations on other points and I must note that as evil as ISIS is, they are not directly threatening my family as our current president is, nor are they an existential threat to the Constitution and the comity of society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    He's doing more harm to your country than ISIS.
    .

    As I said some cannot tell the difference between crazy ISIS, Taliban and our president...

    No surprize our libs hate DT more then any One else..

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeG View Post
    If one was to use your reasoning one could say you have rage and hate for those who have a negative opinion of Trump. Bobbys, why are you so full of rage and hate?

    Btw if you read any thing beyond Fox News you would discover more conservatives with a negative opinion of Trump than any Republican president in recent memory.
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    You will never see a lib here defending our country if a republican is in office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerarddm View Post
    I see bobbys through citations on other points and I must note that as evil as ISIS is, they are not directly threatening my family as our current president is, nor are they an existential threat to the Constitution and the comity of society.
    .

    This is because liberalism is as a crazy fundamentalist religion, only the DNC is the guru, anybody else must be destroyed because they are a danger.to the cult of liberalism..

    Funny ,liberals rage about different religions unaware they are even more crazy..

    When was the last time a lib started a thread about bombings or ISIS killings.

    They don't care, they are not worried about anything else exsept on how they can use it for political advantage..

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