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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    No, our Tories are a pale imitation of your more moderate Repubs. Blinded by dogma, the party of property ownership, and tending towards being Reganite.

    All though they tend to be more pragmatic, many of the still worship the Milk Snatcher, who was so far up Reagan that only her heels were visible, and who proclaimed "there is no such thing as society".
    Consider it in context.
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    Women's Own magazine, October 31 1987

    "I think we've been through a period where too many people have been given to understand that if they have a problem, it's the government's job to cope with it. 'I have a problem, I'll get a grant.' 'I'm homeless, the government must house me.' They're casting their problem on society. And, you know, there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It's our duty to look after ourselves and then, also to look after our neighbour. People have got the entitlements too much in mind, without the obligations. There's no such thing as entitlement, unless someone has first met an obligation."
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    So? She could not give a toss about any one outside her immediate circle "look after ourselves and then, also to look after our neighbour." She was happy to destroy whole communities for political gain, where as society is about humanity working together for the benefit of all.
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    Let's see what William Hill says
    UK General Election Betting - All Markets

    Bet until : 08 Jun -22:00 UK My Markets (0) All Markets (2)
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    General Election Result

    Conservative Majority 1/6


    No Overall Majority 5/1


    Labour Majority 16/1

    Liberal Democrat Majority 25/1


    UKIP Majority 100/1


    General Election to take place on 8th June 2017




    Most Seats in General Election

    Conservative 1/14


    Labour 10/1

    Liberal Democrat 16/1


    UKIP 66/1


    Greens 200/1






    Umm. No odds given for a coalition?

    So, what odds would you give for a Lab/Lib Dem/SNP/Green and any others coalition formed purely to reverse Brexit without the need for a second referendum?

    Nick

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    It's jolly difficult to foresee at this point.

    Not least because in this day and age we tend to stick in our "silos".

    I seem to know quite a bit about what people who want Britain to stay in the EU think.

    I haven't a clue what other sorts of people think.
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    Interesting Op Ed in the Times, being a Tory broad sheet and all that.
    The prime minister’s opening remarks were a study in needless dishonesty. With a large majority in parliament for her Article 50 process it was bizarre to pretend that her plans are being thwarted. She should leave that sort of unworthy stupidity to the Daily Mail which is practised in it. It is entirely reasonable for a new prime minister to want her own mandate. She should say that and stick to it. No television debate, no questions at stage-managed public appearances. So far she has been fragile, not entirely candid and scared of a conversation.
    The abject weakness of the Labour Party means that this election will produce the largest majority for an empty political project in British electoral history. Here is another rule of politics which pertains to Mrs May: if more grammar schools is the way you signal your direction then the direction you are heading in is nowhere. But going nowhere is preferable to going off a cliff, although at least if Mr Corbyn runs an authentic left-wing shouty campaign the discredit will be all his. The evidence suggests that the patience of Labour members is running out. He will not survive a big defeat. A moment will come, soon, when the Labour Party could salvage itself as a viable political organisation.
    There is a shaft of optimism, strange to say. It is conceivable, when the economy turns and when leaving the EU proves to be dull and difficult and we have forgotten quite what the point was, that government will be caught up in daily stories of small events going awry. The post-election cabinet, with the best people leaving parliament or in exile, will be of very poor quality and the government will soon look empty of purpose.
    from https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/c...118918_1747298
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    I get the impression there is a distinct lack of foresight with many of those, once elected. How far back can the "blame-game" go to discredit the other side of the bench? Just how much air time Corbyn will get in relation to May on the BBC will be interesting, if he was deemed to not be a threat, one wonders why the excess of media hate once he took lead of Labour. She might be in for another shock......not many thought Brexit would happen.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    Interesting Op Ed in the Times, being a Tory broad sheet and all that.

    The prime ministerís opening remarks were a study in needless dishonesty. With a large majority in parliament for her Article 50 process it was bizarre to pretend that her plans are being thwarted. She should leave that sort of unworthy stupidity to the Daily Mail which is practised in it. It is entirely reasonable for a new prime minister to want her own mandate. She should say that and stick to it. No television debate, no questions at stage-managed public appearances. So far she has been fragile, not entirely candid and scared of a conversation.



    The abject weakness of the Labour Party means that this election will produce the largest majority for an empty political project in British electoral history. Here is another rule of politics which pertains to Mrs May: if more grammar schools is the way you signal your direction then the direction you are heading in is nowhere. But going nowhere is preferable to going off a cliff, although at least if Mr Corbyn runs an authentic left-wing shouty campaign the discredit will be all his. The evidence suggests that the patience of Labour members is running out. He will not survive a big defeat. A moment will come, soon, when the Labour Party could salvage itself as a viable political organisation.
    There is a shaft of optimism, strange to say. It is conceivable, when the economy turns and when leaving the EU proves to be dull and difficult and we have forgotten quite what the point was, that government will be caught up in daily stories of small events going awry. The post-election cabinet, with the best people leaving parliament or in exile, will be of very poor quality and the government will soon look empty of purpose.




    from https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/c...118918_1747298
    Very interesting, and if I were Theresa May, reading that in Murdoch's flagship newspaper, I would be worried.
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    Here is a really good article in the Financial Times - the last real newspaper left in Britain, but expensive and usually behind a paywall. This is free, though only if you go to it on Facebook, which is a bit weird

    https://www.ft.com/content/d8bbdb92-...1-d5f7e0cd0a16
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    Took a lot of column inches to say two sentences, and not very contentious sentences at that.
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    The Labour Party's Manifesto has been leaked to the Press.

    It doesn't contain anything very remarkable, but the fact of its leaking has led to mockery.
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    Perhaps more interesting was the BBC's little game of "focus group" in Leeds this morning.

    Leeds is a University city with a big manufacturing base and a big banking/financial services industry. As a city, it voted Remain, but Yorkshire as a whole voted Leave.

    The focus group selected by a polling firm never really got beyond "Brexit will send the immigrants home".

    Populism is rife, and is nasty,
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    Brexit will also send all those Brits living in Europe, home to the UK and likely at a huge loss as they have to sell up in a buyers market.
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    I think that a mass migration across the Channel on the lines of the Partition of India is ultimately unlikely, but to the extent that it does take place it is "bad news" for the UK economy as most of the returnees are likely to be elderly and most of the departees are likely to be young and employed.
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    I know several young well qualified techies who - having Irish or German grandparents - are now chasing EU capable passports.
    Someday, I'm going to settle down and be a grumpy old man.

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    The BBC have been looking around the town that I went to school in.

    Colchester has the largest percentage of new voters, a 9% increase in a year, from 122,000 to 133,775

    It voted Leave in the referendum, 53.6% to 46.4%, on a turn out of 75%, and threw out its long serving LibDem MP, Bob Russell, in the 2015 general election.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-39846425
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    The cover of this week's Private Eye seems to sum the progress of the various campaigns fairly well.

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    "There's no such thing as entitlement, unless someone has first met an obligation."'

    Sounds rather Thatcherite to me………..

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