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    sort of like this (Alex's BUCEPHALUS, 19' sans bow sprit, 6 foot beam-ish) but drawn for using 3-4 lapped plywood strakes on stringers on a flat bottom and a centerboard:



    Isn't that what everybody wants in their heart of hearts?

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    I'm not sure what the bottom of that boat in the picture looks like, but in my heart of hearts, I think I'd want that exact boat. She's a beauty. I'd keep the bowsprit, fixed keel if she has one, hopefully she has a reverse curved bottom... but I might like the idea of a lapstrake hull. I mean, I like lapstrake hulls a lot. I'm sure it would look good on that boat too, but she looks nice as she is.

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    There was a 22' boat designed by McKie Roth (RIP).
    Try the Friendship Sloop Society

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    Vivier Stir Ven 19



    All but no stringers. Though there's good and bad with them. Meaban has stringers but the top sides plank vevrtically with plywood to a smooth finish.

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    No, its not what I want at all.

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    Desert Rat, I thought you're almost done with your Bolger Gypsy? Last time I looked at your blog things looked good. Is this your next boat? I feel like I've seen a comparable boat on the Selway-Fisher web site, but I can't think of an exact model.

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    ...but drawn for using 3-4 lapped plywood strakes on stringers on a flat bottom and a centerboard
    I've not seen anything like that, but I won't say it isn't out there. It would make for a *very* different boat, though. Displacing 3000#, drawing 3'4", Bucephalus is a very big small boat --my father once described her as a big boat seen through the wrong end of a telescope-- and I don't think you could get that effect in the design/construction you're envisioning. That's not to say you wouldn't get something better suited to what you want, though. There are times --launching and hauling-- that I sure wish she were a smaller boat for her size.

    I'm not sure what the bottom of that boat in the picture looks like...
    She's a very traditional, caravel-planked Friendship sloop, so yes, reversed curve bottom, built down with a deep salient keel (photos taken in '85; I modified her last year by moving some of her ballast outside, so there's now a 450# slug of lead notched into her keel):







    ...but in my heart of hearts, I think I'd want that exact boat. She's a beauty.
    You won't hear me disagree with you! :-)

    ...but I might like the idea of a lapstrake hull.
    Nothing wrong with a lapstrake hull. It's an intriguing idea. If I had to pick nits, I might worry that a lapstrake hull might be visually too busy, on a boat of her size and shape, but that's a small nit, and not one I'm certain deserves to be picked.

    Alex

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    Yes, this would be the next boat. SWMBO said, "build a small simple boat to learn on, and then build your dream next." I'm just trying to obey her.

    I'm on track to launch the Gypsy first week of April, I think.

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    Cornish Shrimper, sadly now only available in GRP



    https://www.cornishcrabbers.co.uk/sh...s/shrimper-19/
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Don't get hung up on construction methods, you'll do fine with any of the plywood techniques. Not sure what your concerns about having a bowsprit are based on but if you can get past them have a look at:

    Devlin's Winter Wren II
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    There was a 22' boat designed by McKie Roth
    That's a pretty design. Bucephalus and I used to race in the Friendship sloop regatta (she's officially #251), and the only boat remotely our length was the William M. Rand, who was a McKie Roth 22. It's not a design well adapted for plywood, though: very much a curvacious Friendship sloop.

    Not sure what your concerns about having a bowsprit are based on...
    I think the OP was just stating that Bucephalus is 19' LOD, *not including* the bowsprit, rather than 19' sparred length.

    For reference, Bucephalus is:

    LOA 22'
    LOD 18' 11"
    LWL 16'
    Beam 6' 6"
    Draft 3' 4"
    Disp. 3000#
    Ballast 450# outside, 750# inside
    SA 203 sqft

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    Default Re: Is there a design...

    Quote Originally Posted by Pitsligo View Post
    I think the OP was just stating that Bucephalus is 19' LOD, *not including* the bowsprit, rather than 19' sparred length.
    Precisely.

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