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    Last year the French Government decided the terror threat was so high that they put 10,000 troops in the streets of France.
    When I was in Paris last summer we saw troops at every tourist location armed with military automatic weapons.

    Title: April 15 2016 Thousands of troops on Paris streets but are they France's new Maginot line?
    Troop presence in France hit 10,000 after Paris attacks. Many welcome them, but others fear it is a ‘political anti-anxiety measure’
    Link: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...s-france-safer

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    Someday, I'm going to settle down and be a grumpy old man.

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    We have idiots with arms here in the USA.


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    Foiled terrorist incident at Orly airport today.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...un-reports-say

    "French anti-terror officials have launched an investigation after a man known to the security services shot at a police officer in northern Paris before travelling across the city to Orly airport, where he was killed following an altercation with another officer.The attacker was said to be a radicalised Muslim who appeared on a security watchlist, police sources told Reuters. France’s anti-terrorism prosecutor later confirmed that an inquiry had been opened into the incident on Saturday morning.

    The suspect was identified by a security official as Ziyed Ben Belgacem, a 39-year-old born in France, the Associated Press reported."

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    First he was armed, then possibly not
    The French defence minister, Jean-Yves Le Drian, said the attacker had assaulted a patrol of three air force soldiers, one of whom was a woman.
    The attacker wrestled her to the floor and tried to take her weapon, but she was able to keep hold of it. The two other soldiers then opened fire to protect her and passengers in the airport, he said.
    A bit odd.
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    Time for trump to add France to the list.
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    The lady across the street just returned from a month in Paris and Normandie. She had a ball. Her sons are still there, headed to Germany and Holland.
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    BBC says he was earlier armed with a pellet gun, fired at police, and later apparently hijacked a car to get to Orly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by birlinn View Post
    BBC says he was earlier armed with a pellet gun, fired at police, and later apparently hijacked a car to get to Orly.
    A BB or air pistol?

    French gun culture sure needs to be reined in.
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    Geng, there have always been police with semi-automatic weapons on the streets in Europe. The only difference is the number. And yes, it sure looks like a lot of them are out, and perhaps some is for show. Would you blame them for being over-cautious?

    My daughter lives there and is prone to worries about things like this. She never mentions it. My older daughter goes to live with her sister for a few months, leaving tomorrow. I'm leaving to join them in two weeks. I have absolutely no concerns whatsoever about my safety or my daughters', at least compared to the possibility of violence in the U.S.

    (I do worry about all those police should Le Pen win....)

    Vive le France!

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Ross View Post
    at least compared to the possibility of violence in the U.S.

    (I do worry about all those police should Le Pen win....)

    Vive le France!
    Why do some here call you a republican? You're anything but. I have concerns when my children board the bus in the morning, how can you not?

    Have a lovely trip and all of your family a safe return.

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    I'm sure Trump is studying this so he can put army folks with auto weapons on every street corner. Bannon would be all for it!

    @ Delecta: Mr Ross is a conservative first & a Republican second. Since Trump is neither, why would he support him or someone like him (such as Le Pen)?
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    I wonder why Graham is fixated on France?


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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeG View Post
    I wonder why Graham is fixated on France?


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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeG View Post
    I wonder why Graham is fixated on France?
    Geng will fixate on anything that he thinks will justify the actions of his hero the Cheeto Jesus.

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    I'll be in France, and Spain soon, my contacts in both countries haven't mentioned anything other than more police at airports and public transport centres, they're not feeling pressured or threatened at all. Same in Germany.
    Incidentally I've not long come home from Chile, highly socialistic country, one where a few decades ago the police were to be feared. This trip and on my previous one last year, the Carbineri were approachable, unfailingly helpful, friendly and polite. As they should be, quite a change.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy W View Post
    Geng will fixate on anything that he thinks will justify the actions of his hero the Cheeto Jesus.
    Geng and his wife were bricking it on a trip to Cardiff London and Paris before Trump was an issue.

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    The purpose of the trip was to spread my fathers ashes over the Bristol Channel.
    Our family comes from a long line of Sea Captains and Harbor Pilots based in the Bristol Channel.
    My father was in the British Merchant Navy during WWII and died last year at 89.

    We spread his ashes at Sully Island with the 16 family members from North America.
    The next day we had a family reunion at a restaurant with the 16 from NA and 15 from all around the UK.

    My Wife and I spent the first week in Cardiff with everyone.
    Then we took the train from Cardiff to Paris changing in London.
    We spent 4 days in Paris and returned to London for 3 days before flying back to the US.

    The trip was great but I was a little uneasy about all the trouble in France, Germany and London.
    I did my best to keep my wife calm and just enjoy the trip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by delecta View Post
    Why do some here call you a republican? You're anything but. I have concerns when my children board the bus in the morning, how can you not?

    Have a lovely trip and all of your family a safe return.
    Thank you for your well wishes.

    If I follow your logic, I can't possibly be a Republican because I'm not sufficiently scared? That's quite sad, actually.

    Of course I worry about my kids. Every day. And do I want our country to be safe? Indeed. But I don't worry about my daughter in Paris more than my daughter in Seattle. And my reasons for concern are nearly inverted compared to those highlighted by our President. They are much more likely to be struck by lightning or win the Powerball than they are to be injured or killed by a terrorist or an illegal alien, and they are more likely by far to be victims of sexual violence than anything else.

    The needless billions we'll spend on foolish scared security are more debt for them to repay, and I will refrain from commenting on our President's coarsening of our culture and role modeling vis-a-vis women. (But where is the First Lady's intended initiative on cyberbullying? Wouldn't that be quite welcome!)

    My daughters speak five languages other than English between them, and they want to see the world. They'll encounter new things, maybe even ways that countries police differently like in France. I'm proud of them, I hope they keep exploring, and I hope they're cautious but never afraid.

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    As the picture shows, we have the right to bare arms...

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    Quote Originally Posted by john welsford View Post
    Incidentally I've not long come home from Chile, highly socialistic country, one where a few decades ago the police were to be feared. This trip and on my previous one last year, the Carbineri were approachable, unfailingly helpful, friendly and polite. As they should be, quite a change.
    I presume 'highly socialistic' was ironic? One can say many things about Chile, but socialistic (at least in the old style) it has not been since 1973. And FWIW, the carabineros (the national police force) have for a very long time been far more honest and professional than most other Latin Amrican police - although I realize that at times, that wasn't a very high standard. An offer of a modest bribe to get you out of a speeding ticket or some other minor offense, utterly standard procedure in some places, will get you in serious trouble in Chile, although they might cut you a little slack because of being a foreigner. But even during the darkest days of the Pinochet government right after the coup, the carabineros didn't engage in repression and torture with any enthusiasm, and tried to maintain the rule of law. For the nasty stuff, they had to use the military. These days, I'd trust a Chilean carabinero as much as my local St Paul police, which is quite a compliment - although if anything happened, the Chileans would be a lot more bureaucratic and have innumerable forms to fill out on a manual typewriter in triplicate; they love that kind of thing.

    Where were you in Chile, BTW? I've been there quite a few times, have a good friend living in the Elqui Valley near Vicuña.
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    Many police here in the US carry full automatic weapons today.

    By 2009, the P90 was in service with military and police forces in over 40 countries.[13] In the United States, Houston Police Department was the first local law enforcement agency to adopt the P90, acquiring it for their SWAT team in 1999.[21] In 2003, the Houston SWAT team became one of the first agencies in the country to use the weapon in a shootout.[21] By 2009, the P90 was in use with over 200 law enforcement agencies in the United States,[14] including the Secret Service and Federal Protective Service.[7][39] In response, the National Rifle Association added the P90 and PS90 to its NRA Tactical Police Competition standards, allowing law enforcement agencies to compete in the event using either weapon.[40]
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    Can't be too careful, Americans returning from France might contact the terrorist virus and infect our precious bodily fluids.

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    Former Greenville Police Chief Hassan Aden said he was unreasonably detained, after allegedly being forced to sit in the U.S. Customs and Border Protection detention center for an hour and a half, which he detailed in a Facebook post earlier this evening.

    “My freedoms were restricted, and I cannot be sure it won’t happen again, and that it won’t happen to my family, my children, the next time we travel abroad,” Aden said in the post.

    Aden was returning from visiting his mother in Paris, when he arrived at John F. Kennedy International Airport. He said this is something he has done numerous times since becoming a U.S. citizen, but this is the first time he has been detained by CBP.

    “On all of my prior trips, I was greeted by the U.S. Customs and Border Patrol (CBP) officers with a warm smile and the usual, ‘Welcome home sir’,” he said.

    Aden said the officer who stopped him asked if he was traveling alone and then proceeded to escort him to a back room. He told the officers numerous times of his past experience as a police chief, but they continued to hold him saying someone on the watch list was using his name as an alias.

    According to Aden, there were around 25 other foreign nationals who were also stopped by the CBP. However, they were released after a few minutes, while he stayed detained longer than anyone else.

    “I told him as he avoided eye contact how wrong this scenario was that the only US citizen, career US police officer and chief of police out of the group of detainees was the one with the longest unreasonable detention,” Aden said.

    He went on to include in his post that when he tried to take up his complaints with the CBP, they claimed he was not being detained.

    “I was in a room with no access to my mobile phone to communicate with my wife and family about what was happening, my movements were restricted to a chair, and they had my passport, and he had the audacity to tell me I was not being detained,” Aden said.

    After being released, he has continued to reach out to representatives about his experience and plans to continue reaching out to as many people as necessary.

    “This country now feels cold, unwelcoming, and in the beginning stages of a country that is isolating itself from the rest of the world and its own people in an unprecedented fashion,” Aden said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genglandoh View Post
    Last year the French Government decided the terror threat was so high that they put 10,000 troops in the streets of France.
    When I was in Paris last summer we saw troops at every tourist location armed with military automatic weapons.

    Title: April 15 2016 Thousands of troops on Paris streets but are they France's new Maginot line?
    Troop presence in France hit 10,000 after Paris attacks. Many welcome them, but others fear it is a ‘political anti-anxiety measure’
    Link: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...s-france-safer

    I hate to break it to you but this is SOP in la France when the threat level is high.

    For starters, France has two police forces: the civilian Sûreté nationale (now the Police nationale) and the military Gendarmerie. They both exercise civil authority.

    Gendarmes are usually armed, in my experience, with submachine guns.

    And when threat levels escalate, the French ratchet things up. Back in the late 1980s, when terrorism by the Red Brigade and others was at its height, every public trash can in Paris was welded shut and the streets patrolled by heavily armed French Marines. The amount of trash on the street was amazing. Luckily Paris employs a small army of street sweepers who kept everything tidy.

    I was in Montpelier, in the south of France, in 1989, when the the city was in lockdown due to terrorist threats. There were French soldiers in full battle rattle on every street corner and the streets were patrolled by lots of military vehicles. All of them had heavy machine guns mounted on their pintles and a gunner manning it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Wilson View Post
    I presume 'highly socialistic' was ironic? One can say many things about Chile, but socialistic (at least in the old style) it has not been since 1973. And FWIW, the carabineros (the national police force) have for a very long time been far more honest and professional than most other Latin Amrican police - although I realize that at times, that wasn't a very high standard. An offer of a modest bribe to get you out of a speeding ticket or some other minor offense, utterly standard procedure in some places, will get you in serious trouble in Chile, although they might cut you a little slack because of being a foreigner. But even during the darkest days of the Pinochet government right after the coup, the carabineros didn't engage in repression and torture with any enthusiasm, and tried to maintain the rule of law. For the nasty stuff, they had to use the military. These days, I'd trust a Chilean carabinero as much as my local St Paul police, which is quite a compliment - although if anything happened, the Chileans would be a lot more bureaucratic and have innumerable forms to fill out on a manual typewriter in triplicate; they love that kind of thing.

    Where were you in Chile, BTW? I've been there quite a few times, have a good friend living in the Elqui Valley near Vicuña.
    Santiago, Valparaiso, PortaMontt, Punta Arenas, Porvenir. The description "Socialistic" was one used by a family court judge with whom we stayed to describe the way their govt works. She's spent time in the USA and in Europe so knows about other countries systems.
    I very much enjoyed my two trips there, great people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delecta View Post
    Why do some here call you a republican? You're anything but. I have concerns when my children board the bus in the morning, how can you not?

    Have a lovely trip and all of your family a safe return.
    If you are implying that people in Europe are in more danger of violent death than those in the USA, you are wrong as well as insulting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoeyawl View Post
    Many police here in the US carry full automatic weapons today.

    By 2009, the P90 was in service with military and police forces in over 40 countries.[13] In the United States, Houston Police Department was the first local law enforcement agency to adopt the P90, acquiring it for their SWAT team in 1999.[21] In 2003, the Houston SWAT team became one of the first agencies in the country to use the weapon in a shootout.[21] By 2009, the P90 was in use with over 200 law enforcement agencies in the United States,[14] including the Secret Service and Federal Protective Service.[7][39] In response, the National Rifle Association added the P90 and PS90 to its NRA Tactical Police Competition standards, allowing law enforcement agencies to compete in the event using either weapon.[40]
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    LOL When was the last time you saw a US Police person caring an automatic weapon?
    Go to Paris and you will see the France Military patrolling the streets with automatic weapons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholas Carey View Post
    I hate to break it to you but this is SOP in la France when the threat level is high.

    For starters, France has two police forces: the civilian Sûreté nationale (now the Police nationale) and the military Gendarmerie. They both exercise civil authority.

    Gendarmes are usually armed, in my experience, with submachine guns.

    And when threat levels escalate, the French ratchet things up. Back in the late 1980s, when terrorism by the Red Brigade and others was at its height, every public trash can in Paris was welded shut and the streets patrolled by heavily armed French Marines. The amount of trash on the street was amazing. Luckily Paris employs a small army of street sweepers who kept everything tidy.

    I was in Montpelier, in the south of France, in 1989, when the the city was in lockdown due to terrorist threats. There were French soldiers in full battle rattle on every street corner and the streets were patrolled by lots of military vehicles. All of them had heavy machine guns mounted on their pintles and a gunner manning it.
    Exactly
    France has declared a nation wide state of emergency in Nov 2015 and started to put Troops on the streets.
    BTW they extended the state of emergency back in Dec 2016.

    Title: 13 December 2016 French parliament votes to extend state of emergency until after 2017 elections
    Link: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...2017-elections

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    Murder rate is three times higher in Ohio than France.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeG View Post
    Murder rate is three times higher in Ohio than France.
    I recently spent 3 weeks in Columbus for work. I can't remember a night when there wasn't a murder leading the news.

    But I guess it's OK 'cause it ain't a furriner doing the murdering.
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    Mr. Welsford - I wouldn't describe Chile has highly socialistic at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by genglandoh View Post
    Exactly
    France has declared a nation wide state of emergency in Nov 2015 and started to put Troops on the streets.
    BTW they extended the state of emergency back in Dec 2016.

    Title: 13 December 2016 French parliament votes to extend state of emergency until after 2017 elections
    Link: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...2017-elections
    Do you have a point? They've had troops on the street intermittently for 220 years. Get a grip.

    Quote Originally Posted by genglandoh View Post
    LOL When was the last time you saw a US Police person caring an automatic weapon?
    Last week. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by genglandoh View Post
    LOL When was the last time you saw a US Police person caring an automatic weapon?
    Go to Paris and you will see the France Military patrolling the streets with automatic weapons.
    I see police with automatic weapons at most airports. Check next time you fly.

    Many police cars have automatic weapons in them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Ross View Post
    I see police with automatic weapons at most airports. Check next time you fly.

    Many police cars have automatic weapons in them.
    I fly all the time and I only see Police with Automatic weapon outside the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genglandoh View Post
    I fly all the time and I only see Police with Automatic weapon outside the US.
    Do you see Ohios high crime stats compared to France?

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    Title: June 30, 2016 Airport cops say they need guns to combat terrorists
    Aviation police officers in Chicago are sitting targets for potential terrorists because they don't carry guns and are told to run and hide in the event of an attack, the union representing the officers said Thursday.
    Link: http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/30/us/avi...-chicago-guns/

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    Quote Originally Posted by genglandoh View Post
    I fly all the time and I only see Police with Automatic weapon outside the US.
    You are not being observant. I'm traveling this week, including through Cleveland. I'll bet I can take a picture of a police officer with an automatic weapon this week.

    You're entitled to your fear, but it is untethered from reality. Look at crime rates in Ohio and France. You're at much higher risk at home than abroad. And, once more, you're more likely to die of a lightning strike, a mosquito bite, a bee sting, a fall in your tub, or a car accident than by a terrorist or an illegal alien. I'm sorry that doesn't fit your narrative or the President's, but it's true.

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