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    I fly all the time. I see cops with autos at many of my domestic airports I'm assigned to fly too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeG View Post
    I wonder why Graham is fixated on France?


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    I think what it boils down to - with most of these sorts of geng-threads - is that he read or saw something, from some ideologically-driven spin-site (Breitbart, Newsmax, Fox, The Blaze, infowars, etc.) that he is mimicking. He is ahistorical enough, and provincial enough, so that he has no context to guide him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CK 17 View Post
    I fly all the time. I see cops with autos at many of my domestic airports I'm assigned to fly too.
    You may have seen police with semi-automatic pistols but not automatic rifles like the ones the Military uses.

    The point of this thread is that France is putting Troops on the streets because the level of terror attacks is very high.

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    I'd feel safer in France than the US.
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    Quote Originally Posted by genglandoh View Post
    You may have seen police with semi-automatic pistols but not automatic rifles like the ones the Military uses.

    The point of this thread is that France is putting Troops on the streets because the level of terror attacks is very high.
    1. No. Police with military-issue automatic long guns. If you haven't noticed them in the U.S., you're not paying attention.

    2. France is defending itself. Whether the terror threat justifies it is less clear. It is certainly not "an armed camp". My daughter lives there. She does not notice what you claim.

    But what's your real point?

    Perhaps that the world is scary and awful, as painted so vividly by our President, so a military-class clampdown is what the U.S. needs? That seems at odds with your implied disapproval of France's defenses.

    Perhaps to report that the rest of the world is chaotic and evil, so we should close the America First doors?

    Really, the scary brown people aren't as scary as our Scaredy Cat in Chief says.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David G View Post
    I think what it boils down to - with most of these sorts of geng-threads - is that he read or saw something, from some ideologically-driven spin-site (Breitbart, Newsmax, Fox, The Blaze, infowars, etc.) that he is mimicking. He is ahistorical enough, and provincial enough, so that he has no context to guide him.

    Actually, if you go back to post #1, you'll see that he started with this piece from The Guardian.

    We must be having a salutory effect and broadening his sources.
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    Quote Originally Posted by genglandoh View Post
    You may have seen police with semi-automatic pistols but not automatic rifles like the ones the Military uses.

    The point of this thread is that France is putting Troops on the streets because the level of terror attacks is very high.


    But the point is that that is what France does. And has for close to 4 decades. It is a tactic that has proved to be effective for them. France has had a LOT more experience with terrorism than the US has ever had.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...ents_in_France

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_France

    Here's a map of terrorism incidents in France since 1970



    Here's a chart showing deaths in France due to terrorism since 1970.



    You might note the giant spike on the right for 2016.

    If you think our massive overreaction to the 2001 attacks was justified, you might reconsider your thoughts on the French reaction to the last couple of years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholas Carey View Post
    Actually, if you go back to post #1, you'll see that he started with this piece from The Guardian.

    We must be having a salutory effect and broadening his sources.
    Good to know, and thanks. I don't read his stuff... only see what someone quotes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by genglandoh View Post
    You may have seen police with semi-automatic pistols but not automatic rifles like the ones the Military uses.

    The point of this thread is that France is putting Troops on the streets because the level of terror attacks is very high.
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    And poor little Pepe didn't see it coming!


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    Keep in mind that terrorism has been around in Europe for a good while.Since WW2 we have had the Red Brigade,Baader-Meinhof and the IRA,not to mention a few others.I haven't checked the numbers killed or injured but would strongly suspect rather fewer than have perished courtesy of those exercising their second amendment rights.Or aren't they terrorists?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Meachen View Post
    Keep in mind that terrorism has been around in Europe for a good while.Since WW2 we have had the Red Brigade,Baader-Meinhof and the IRA,not to mention a few others.I haven't checked the numbers killed or injured but would strongly suspect rather fewer than have perished courtesy of those exercising their second amendment rights.Or aren't they terrorists?
    That is probably why some forumites and other Americans are bricking it. We have lived with all of those, whilst the US only remembers McVeigh and 9/11.
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    HEY reds! Never forget this, "Be afraid, be very afraid. You're of no use to us unless you're very afraid."

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    Data doesn't work for the alt-fact crowd.

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    Thanks for filling in for my idleness Keith.Would it be too much for somebody to find an equivalent graph for Americans shot at home?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Meachen View Post
    Keep in mind that terrorism has been around in Europe for a good while.Since WW2 we have had the Red Brigade,Baader-Meinhof and the IRA,not to mention a few others.I haven't checked the numbers killed or injured but would strongly suspect rather fewer than have perished courtesy of those exercising their second amendment rights.Or aren't they terrorists?
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    Would it be too much for somebody to find an equivalent graph for Americans shot at home?
    Isn't there a federal law against collecting those statistics?

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    incomprehensible...
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    Quote Originally Posted by John of Phoenix View Post
    incomprehensible...

    Not really.Just an aspect of terrorism the ammosexuals don't like to acknowledge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Meachen View Post
    Thanks for filling in for my idleness Keith.Would it be too much for somebody to find an equivalent graph for Americans shot at home?

    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Wilson View Post
    Which compares with:
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    Title: 50,000 police officers mobilised to protect polling stations over fear of terror attack during French election
    Thousands of police officers supported by military units will be deployed across France as the country prepares to go to the polls this week to elect its next president.
    Link: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7687736.html



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    Do you suppose France is more or less armed than the U.S.A.?

    This is not intended to be a rhetorical question, genglandoh. I would like an answer from you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Ross View Post
    You are not being observant. I'm traveling this week, including through Cleveland. I'll bet I can take a picture of a police officer with an automatic weapon this week.

    You're entitled to your fear, but it is untethered from reality. Look at crime rates in Ohio and France. You're at much higher risk at home than abroad. And, once more, you're more likely to die of a lightning strike, a mosquito bite, a bee sting, a fall in your tub, or a car accident than by a terrorist or an illegal alien. I'm sorry that doesn't fit your narrative or the President's, but it's true.
    Since I started this thread I have been in the following Airports and have seen no police with automatic rifles.
    1. Cleveland
    2. Atlanta
    3. Washington National
    4. Bangor Maine

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    Quote Originally Posted by genglandoh View Post
    Since I started this thread I have been in the following Airports and have seen no police with automatic rifles.
    1. Cleveland
    2. Atlanta
    3. Washington National
    4. Bangor Maine
    I will say that I think you're not looking very hard. In my travelsI've seen officers with automatic firearms in Boston, BWI, DFW, and San Jose. They were in the hands of State Police officers outside of the "secure" areas.
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    I saw police armed with automatic weapons at the Zurich, Switzerland airport in 1974. Both on the tarmac and inside the terminal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by genglandoh View Post
    Since I started this thread I have been in the following Airports and have seen no police with automatic rifles.
    1. Cleveland
    2. Atlanta
    3. Washington National
    4. Bangor Maine
    Just came back from another trip and still no police with automatic rifles at the following airports
    1. Cleveland
    2. Minneapolis–Saint Paul
    3. Phoenix
    4. Detroit

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    Was in NYC a few weeks ago and a month before that, Officers and National guard or Homeland Security with automatic rifles in camo . . . All over the place.
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    You know something is going to happen


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    Scot - are you sure that inflicting upon the WBF repeated, egregious, partisan-inspired ignorance shouldn't be considered rude behavior?
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    Title: Police evacuate the Louvre in Paris after bomb threat grips France on election day
    Link: http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...aris-terrorism

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    Yawn.
    Please concentrate on the US, Geng- let us worry about Europe. Not that we do.

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