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    The new proposed budget cuts out funding for airports relying on Essential Services grants from the federal government. This appears to eliminate, among others, all the air service in Michigan's upper peninsula and the state of Maine. The argument is that it is only a five hour drive or so to the nearest major airport. No more sponging off the feds.

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    That's an odd way to make America Great, again.

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    Be interesting to see how Trump's fan Gov. LePage spins this one...

    Having just dropped off my gal at the airport @ 4:00AM to get a 5:30 flight, I'd really prefer not to add hours to the 25 min. trip... VT will probably see cuts too.
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    One of my favorite Stephen King books was "the long walk". It's about a dystopian society.
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    We are not on the road to Dystopian, the exist is just a little way ahead. I'm really hoping we don't turn down that ramp!

    I hear the restrooms are dirty and the coffee tastes like shyte.

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    Might see an uptick in flights from New Brunswick's airports. Maybe even some additional routes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan McCosh View Post
    The new proposed budget cuts out funding for airports relying on Essential Services grants from the federal government. This appears to eliminate, among others, all the air service in Michigan's upper peninsula and the state of Maine. The argument is that it is only a five hour drive or so to the nearest major airport. No more sponging off the feds.
    Source? If you understand "proposed" budgets there is always a lot of dumb stuff to negotiate off to get what they really want, you know this proposal would never fly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodpile View Post
    Source? If you understand "proposed" budgets there is always a lot of dumb stuff to negotiate off to get what they really want, you know this proposal would never fly.
    We do? Trump & the Reps. could care less about any rural areas (unless they have coal mines I guess), or lower income folks, or old folks, or basically anyone but themselves. Some of the "ideas" in this plan should never have been floated.

    Here's a source: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...nate/99223182/

    The Essential Air Service program ($175 million) provides federal subsidies for commercial air service at rural airports. EAS flights are not full and have high subsidy costs per passenger. Trump's budget says several of those airports are close to major airports, and that rural communities could be served by other modes of transportation.
    Here's another one on the chopping block that makes great sense...

    Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program ($3.4 billion): LIHEAP helps the elderly and low-income people pay their heating and power bills.
    So - even though weatherization is one of the best ways to reduce energy use & help the US become more energy independent, he'd prefer to let those poor folks freeze so he & his buddies can get richer & fight more wars.
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    Might see an uptick in flights from New Brunswick's airports. Maybe even some additional routes.
    A good idea, except for crossing the border. 4 times! The US CBS is not going to become more co-operative. Ours is not as accommodating as it was, either.

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    All the airports in Wyoming (the top coal state) get those subsidies. If that part passes, I guess the coal, oil, and gas execs (and lobbyists) will have to hitchhike.

    Or ride their bikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by woodpile View Post
    Source? If you understand "proposed" budgets there is always a lot of dumb stuff to negotiate off to get what they really want, you know this proposal would never fly.
    If your goal is implementing dumb stuff then this is a good starting point.

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    As a clarification, all airports in Maine aren't affected. All the service in Michigan's UP is. The airports threatened include many small towns in outstate NY; Pennsylvania, etc. Rural towns too small to sustain air service without subsidies. Trump country.

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    Well according to the link below Michigan's UP has 6 airports and only 5 are on the program.
    Marquette is the one that does not.

    The Airports on the program with distances to other airports.
    Notice only Sault Ste. Marie has a long drive.

    1. Escanaba
    60 miles from Marquette MI
    110 miles from Green Bay WI

    2. Iron Mountain / Kingsford is
    90 miles from Marquette MI
    100 miles from Green Bay WI

    3. Houghton / Hancock is
    100 miles from Marquette MI

    4. Ironwood
    146 miles from Marquette MI
    100 miles from Duluth MN

    5. Sault Ste. Marie
    165 miles from Marquette MI

    http://digitalcommons.ilr.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1041&context=reports

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    Now lets look at Maine
    Here are the 4 airports that are on the program.
    The only one with a long drive is Presque Isle

    1. Augusta is 55 miles to Portland
    2. Bar Harbor is 48 miles from Bangor
    3. Rockland is 61 miles from Bangor
    4. Presque Isle is 160 miles from Bangor

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    According to Wikipedia, those 5 airports in Minnesota handle over 75,000 passengers. In Maine, those airports handle about 43,000. That is a lot of passengers

    Any idea how many will lose their jobs when these airports dry up? So much for keeping jobs in the USA!

    As for a "long drive", I am not sure what your criteria is. I would suggest "outside of commuting range." And these are rural areas, with serious weather. 3 of the Maine examples look doable, but only one of the Minnesota ones is reasonable. And remember, that is the distance between the subsidized airport and the nearest unsubsidized airport, so that distance may well be the additional distance to drive, not the total distance.

    So, eliminate good jobs in a rural area, and make it effectively 1 to 3 hours even more remote from the rest of the country. This will make America great again!
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    Quote Originally Posted by genglandoh View Post
    Now lets look at Maine
    Here are the 4 airports that are on the program.
    The only one with a long drive is Presque Isle
    Fredericton's a lot closer than Bangor too. Just saying - they'd be driving right past...
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    Quote Originally Posted by robm View Post
    According to Wikipedia, those 5 airports in Minnesota employ over 75,000 people. So much for keeping jobs in the USA!
    I was talking about Michigan's UP not Minnesota.
    Do you have the number for the 5 airports in Michigan's UP?

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    Quote Originally Posted by genglandoh View Post
    Well according to the link below Michigan's UP has 6 airports and only 5 are on the program.
    Marquette is the one that does not.

    The Airports on the program with distances to other airports.
    Notice only Sault Ste. Marie has a long drive.

    1. Escanaba
    60 miles from Marquette MI
    110 miles from Green Bay WI

    2. Iron Mountain / Kingsford is
    90 miles from Marquette MI
    100 miles from Green Bay WI

    3. Houghton / Hancock is
    100 miles from Marquette MI

    4. Ironwood
    146 miles from Marquette MI
    100 miles from Duluth MN

    5. Sault Ste. Marie
    165 miles from Marquette MI

    http://digitalcommons.ilr.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1041&context=reports
    You are right. It will be only two to three hours for most of the people in the UP to drive to an airport--only halfway across the state. Sault Ste Marie also is just across the river from Canada, which has good air service and bus service, and is considering adding passenger rail. You can get fine service, once you get through the border crossing with all the appropriate papers. Might even find a job, since the economy has been much stronger than in the U.S. It's about time the freeloaders upstate lost their air service, which should have gone out of business years ago when the airlines were deregulated. That's when the subsidies were put in place. Next the airlines will expect the government to build or maintain airports for their planes. Creeping socialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan McCosh View Post
    You are right. It will be only two to three hours for most of the people in the UP to drive to an airport--only halfway across the state. Sault Ste Marie also is just across the river from Canada, which has good air service and bus service, and is considering adding passenger rail. You can get fine service, once you get through the border crossing with all the appropriate papers. Might even find a job, since the economy has been much stronger than in the U.S. It's about time the freeloaders upstate lost their air service, which should have gone out of business years ago when the airlines were deregulated. That's when the subsidies were put in place. Next the airlines will expect the government to build or maintain airports for their planes. Creeping socialism.
    Just a little correction most would be under 2 hours away from an airport.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genglandoh View Post
    Just a little correction most would be under 2 hours away from an airport.
    I take it you have never driven on UP roads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan McCosh View Post
    I take it you have never driven on UP roads.
    Well you are wrong.
    I have driving in the UP a few times.

    But do not take my word for it just use google and you will see for yourself.

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    You choose to live in a rural area in part, to be away from the hustle and bustle of things like airports, no? I mean, if flying is that important to your life and/ or you do it so frequently, then move closer to an airport.

    Mind you, I fly every week, and I drive 77 miles to the airport, one way ( 1 hour, 15 minutes, if i pick me time right). And I hardly live in a remote area.

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    Do you have the number for the 5 airports in Michigan's UP?
    First of all, pardon me for interpreting the abbreviation "Empl." in the Wikipedia article as "employees". I realized it meant "emplanements" when I looked at the Maine article, which used a different abbreviation, "Enpl.", and I realized this stood for "enplanements, and obviously, I was out to lunch on the Michigan figures as well. I have edited my post to reflect this.

    And believe it or not, Wikipedia has a list devoted to the airports of Michigan's Upper Peninsula.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...pper_Peninsula

    Also Maine:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airports_in_Maine

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    Quote Originally Posted by robm View Post
    First of all, pardon me for interpreting the abbreviation "Empl." in the Wikipedia article as "employees". I realized it meant "emplanements" when I looked at the Maine article, which used a different abbreviation, "Enpl.", and I realized this stood for "enplanements, and obviously, I was out to lunch on the Michigan figures as well. I have edited my post to reflect this.

    And believe it or not, Wikipedia has a list devoted to the airports of Michigan's Upper Peninsula.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...pper_Peninsula

    Also Maine:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airports_in_Maine
    Thank you for the correction but you still got the state wrong.
    We are talking about Michigan's UP not Minnesota

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    Quote Originally Posted by General John Cabot Trail View Post
    What's the difference? Everybody in the rest of the world knows that 'Muricans know diddly-squat about geography.
    I am sure he knows the difference between MI and MN.
    He was probably just posting quickly without reading the material closely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genglandoh View Post
    Thank you for the correction but you still got the state wrong.
    We are talking about Michigan's UP not Minnesota
    I'm seeing a hidden theme here - I used to live in the Soo too. Now we're talking about increased airport traffic in the Soo, and Fredericton, because the White House dude wants to help increase employment in the aviation industry in cross-border parts of Canada.

    Someone tell him that I lived for a while in Vancouver and Victoria too? They'd welcome the business as well, I'm sure.
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    The main impact likely would be on the auto industry. There are several winter test facilities in Sault Ste Marie used by auto companies and suppliers, which account for most of the commercial flights. Of course, these are owned and run by foreign auto companies, which are supposed to be on the way out as well.

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    Sorry, you are right, MI, MN, they are all in the middle and on Lake Superior, and not having visited, I get them mixed up.

    Maybe we could just move the border and incorporate the UP into Ontario? The UP looks like an geological extension of Manitoulin Island. I believe the Danes and Russians are trying to encroach on Canada's Arctic with such arguments. And it doesn't look like the US government gives a rat's @ss for the place anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genglandoh View Post
    Now lets look at Maine
    Here are the 4 airports that are on the program.
    The only one with a long drive is Presque Isle

    1. Augusta is 55 miles to Portland
    2. Bar Harbor is 48 miles from Bangor
    3. Rockland is 61 miles from Bangor
    4. Presque Isle is 160 miles from Bangor
    I'm kinda in gengs court to a point Bar Harbor only the wealthy really use it few working class don't drive to Portland or Bangor, Augusta well that is the state government hate to inconvenience Susan Collins or Paul lepage, Rockland has become yuppie land, Presque isle should stay, those folks shouldn't have to do that long a trip.

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    It is hard to justify all those airports in Maine. Michigan UP, it is not. What about Alaska?

    How much do you want to bet that if any airports get a reprieve, it will be Bar Harbor (wealthy), Augusta (Collins) and Rockland (yuppies)? Michigan UP and Presque Isle can go hang.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Smith porter maine View Post
    I'm kinda in gengs court to a point Bar Harbor only the wealthy really use it few working class don't drive to Portland or Bangor, Augusta well that is the state government hate to inconvenience Susan Collins or Paul lepage, Rockland has become yuppie land, Presque isle should stay, those folks shouldn't have to do that long a trip.
    Actually quite a few locals use the Bar Harbor airport. I just booked a flight out for late next month and had to adjust my travel days substantially because the planes were already fully booked. There are no wealthy people here in April. In addition, the cost to park in Bangor for my 12 day trip is more than the price difference to fly out of Bar Harbor where parking is free. In addition, the connections are much better via Bar Harbor than via Bangor. On the negative side, I will have to help wind the rubber band for the flight out of Bar Harbor, but I had no trouble getting a window seat.

    Finally, the Bar Harbor airport is 16 miles from home (about 25 minutes) and I only have to be there about 20-30 minutes before my flight. Bangor is about 65 miles, which takes 90 minutes, and I have to be there at least 1.5 to 2 hours ahead. Plus I only have to deal with one traffic light on the way to Bar Harbor and an unconscionable number when going to Bangor.

    As far as flying out of Portland goes, round trip fare is $110 cheaper but the flight takes longer, I would have to pay $144 for parking plus gas for the 6 hour round trip drive and I would have to arrive in Portland at least an hour earlier relative to my flight. Overall the total travel time for the trip would be 18 hours instead of 11 hours. I don't see why anyone from here would fly out of Portland.

    Incidentally, there is no public transit from where I live to anywhere except the Bar Harbor airport (and that is only during the summer), so flying from anywhere other than Bar Harbor means driving my car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd D View Post
    Actually quite a few locals use the Bar Harbor airport. I just booked a flight out for late next month and had to adjust my travel days substantially because the planes were already fully booked. There are no wealthy people here in April. In addition, the cost to park in Bangor for my 12 day trip is more than the price difference to fly out of Bar Harbor where parking is free. In addition, the connections are much better via Bar Harbor than via Bangor. On the negative side, I will have to help wind the rubber band for the flight out of Bar Harbor, but I had no trouble getting a window seat.

    Finally, the Bar Harbor airport is 16 miles from home (about 25 minutes) and I only have to be there about 20-30 minutes before my flight. Bangor is about 65 miles, which takes 90 minutes, and I have to be there at least 1.5 to 2 hours ahead. Plus I only have to deal with one traffic light on the way to Bar Harbor and an unconscionable number when going to Bangor.
    For those in urban areas, this means more than 5...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garret View Post
    For those in urban areas, this means more than 5...
    I think it is about 10 each way plus I would have to drive on the freeway part way or experience many more lights and drive through Brewer.

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    Yeah - but be honest - more than 5 is a lot - no?

    Since I moved I have to deal with the silly things all the time. I used to be able to do pretty much anything without hitting one of those time/gas wasters.
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