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    Perez

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    We'll see. The only result that will validate anything is stabilization of our government and return to the less sh177y shape or government was in 6 months ago.
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    He's a very bright guy, speaks exceptionally well, has discipline, is clear thinking, progressive, knows the game and is not hard to listen to. This is a step in the right direction. How successful he'll be is not just up to him. The party needs to straighten up and fly right, but I'll defend my thread title. He's a good call.

    Added: Here he is speaking on Maher's show a few months ago. Usual Maher language warnings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lew Barrett View Post
    He's a very bright guy, speaks exceptionally well, has discipline and is clear thinking, progressive and not hard to listen to. This is a step in the right direction. How successful he'll be is not just up to him. The party needs to straighten up and fly right, but I defend my thread title. He's a good call.
    I'm skeptical of the DNC and the only way to straighten up and fly right is for them to not reject at least 25% of their base by returning to the same old BS that lost us the election.
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    Quote Originally Posted by McMike View Post
    I'm skeptical of the DNC and the only way to straighten up and fly right is for them to not reject at least 25% of their base by returning to the same old BS that lost us the election.
    What do you want them to do?
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    Had to rename it. Can't believe Jack's post is getting more action than this one got.
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    Good choice. Keith Ellison's local, and I've heard unpleasant things about his personality from several independent sources.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donn View Post
    Lose the glasses and he could go to Halloween parties as Lenin.
    Unlike Bannon who needs no disguise to determine who his agenda follows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Wilson View Post
    Good choice. Keith Ellison's local, and I've heard unpleasant things about his personality from several independent sources.
    I was hoping for this outcome when I saw what was on the menu.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Wilson View Post
    Good choice. Keith Ellison's local, and I've heard unpleasant things about his personality from several independent sources.
    What do you expect with a first name like that.��

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    Well Trump tweeted that it was rigged - so I have to believe that.

    I'm in wait & see mode. I realize Ellison has rubbed some the wrong way, but I hope the DNC gets that they need to really shake some things up & get busy on attracting new voters, regaining lost voters, & moving on from the old guard that messed up so badly in 2016.
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    Ellison has some good ideas, would have been a bold choice. He's in the Nation of Islam tradition which is about as controversial a path as you can walk. I think he would have been a poor strategic option and would have drawn a lot of distracting, unwanted fire. Study up on Perez if you have questions about him. Or just watch the video.
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    They should name the chair Dirty Harry cussed out as their Chair.

    Sorry. I couldn't help myself.

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    I had kind of hoped that Hilz would have chosen him as a running mate. The Hispanic/Latino vote is the future in this country, and he could have helped highlight a stark choice, maybe even energized a few more more votes that might have tipped the scales...

    A very good choice. If he can help turn Texas blue sooner rather than later, and get NC (with the help of a dem Governor) back in the left column it is a whole new ball game.
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    [IMc - I think the Democrats have a chance to regain some balance. Here's someone who agrees with me.]

    Published on Sunday, February 26, 2017, by Common Dreams

    Three Cheers for the Perez-Ellison DNC Team to Move the Democrats in a Progressive Direction

    by Peter Dreier

    I was hoping that Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minnesota) would win the Democratic National Committee chairmanship because of his experience as an organizer, but former Labor Secretary Tom Perez — who won a narrow victory at the DNC’s Atlanta meeting today — is also a great choice. He’s progressive, pro-worker, an accomplished advocate for civil rights and social justice, and the first Latino in that job. He immediately asked Ellison to serve as deputy chair — a smart move to bring the party together.

    Importantly, the delegates at the Atlanta meeting also elected union organizer and immigrant rights activist Maria Elena Durazo — who supported Ellison for the top post — as DNC vice chair. The daughter of migrant farm workers, as head of UNITE HERE’s LA local and then leader of the 800,000-member LA County Federation of Labor, Durazo helped elect progressives throughout the state and helped transform the California Democratic Party into a voice for the disenfranchised, including immigrants.

    We now have a Latino and an African American at the top of the DNC, a moderate Democrat minority leader in the Senate (Chuck Schumer) being pushed to the left by the grassroots resistance movement, a democratic socialist (Bernie Sanders) with a large and energized base within the party, and a charismatic and principled progressive woman (Elizabeth Warren) as the strongest voice within the party and the most likely candidate for president in 2020. These are all positive signs.

    The battle between Ellison and Perez was often portrayed as a struggle between the party’s “progressive” and the “establishment” wings. That’s a mischaracterization. Both Ellison and Perez are long-time progressives. Perez is hardly a corporate Democrat or a tool of the party’s Wall Street wing. His entire career has been devoted to fighting for civil rights, workers’ rights, and social justice.

    Perez is certainly the most progressive DNC chair since Oklahoma Senator Fred Harris occupied that post in 1970. Since then, the position has been held primarily by corporate fundraisers and moderate-to-liberal politicians and political operatives, including Larry O’Brien, Jean Westwood, Robert S. Strauss, Ken Curtis, John C. White, Charles Manatt, Paul Kirk, Ron Brown, David Wilhelm, Chris Dodd, Donald Fowler, Roy Romer, Steven Grossman, Ed Rendell, Joe Andrew, Terry McAuliffe, Howard Dean, Tim Kaine, and the recently deposed Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

    It would be a huge mistake for my fellow Ellison supporters to diss Perez and threaten to leave the Democratic Party. No doubt a handful of Ellison supporters will feel the need to go on the warpath. I hope the media don’t manufacture a phony party crisis by giving a megaphone to the small number of Ellison supporters who think that Perez’s victory is a defeat for progressives. It isn’t.

    After he lost the primary fight, Bernie endorsed Hillary. Some of Bernie’s followers attacked him for doing so as a sell-out. A few drifted over to embrace Green Party candidate Jill Stein. But the media exaggerated the extent of the desertion. In fact, about 95% of Bernie supporters voted for Hillary. We need that kind of unity now.

    As my friend Gerry McDonough, a long-time progressive activist in Massachusetts, observed: “We’re in a war against fascists. There’s no time for infighting.”

    Ellison echoed those sentiments. “If you came here supporting me, wearing a Keith t-shirt, or any t-shirt, I’m asking you to give everything you’ve got to support Chairman Perez,” he said after the vote. “You love this country, you love all the people in it, you care about each and every one of them, urban, rural, suburban, all cultures, all faiths, everybody, and they are in need of your help. And if we waste even a moment going at it over who supported who, we are not going to be standing up for those people. We don’t have the luxury, folks, to walk out of this room divided.”

    The task ahead — which Perez supports — is to rebuild the Democratic Party as an organizing party that can take advantage of the growing grassroots resistance movement that has emerged since Trump’s inauguration. That means raising money to hire organizers and put them in states and Congressional districts where liberal and progressive Democrats can win governors’ seats, state legislative races, and the House and Senate races. It means working in collaboration with unions, community organizing groups, environmental and LGBT groups, the Dreamers and other immigrant rights activists, Black Lives Matters, Planned Parenthood, Indivisible and other groups that are already mobilizing on the ground.

    The anti-Trump resistance movement is way ahead of the party. The 5 million strong Women’s march, the battles at airports against Trump’s travel ban, the recent wave of town hall meetings all over the country where angry voters (many of them politically involved for the first time) confronted Republican Congress members, and the 7,000 local groups galvanized by the Indivisible website all happened without Democrat Party involvement. But we need the party to help expand the protest movement and channel that energy into an electoral movement to put progressive and liberal Democrats in office.

    Let’s get behind the Perez/Ellison team, strengthen the progressive movement, and defeat the pro-Trump Republicans in 2018 and 2020.

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    Peter Dreier is E.P. Clapp Distinguished Professor of Politics, and chair of the Urban & Environmental Policy Department, at Occidental College. His most recent book is The 100 Greatest Americans of the 20th Century: A Social Justice Hall of Fame (Nation Books, 2012). His other books include: Place Matters: Metropolitics for the 21st Century (University Press of Kansas, 3rd edition, 2014), and The Next Los Angeles: The Struggle for a Livable City (University of California Press, revised 2006). He writes regularly for the Los Angeles Times, Common Dreams, The Nation, and Huffington Post.

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    I really like the sound of that Ian & have to agree. Lew's post of Perez' interview opened my eyes some (& I really like his sense of humor - the "eeyore party") & I'm gaining some hope. I hope the Bernie haters will see the "about 95% of Bernie supporters voted for Hillary" comment in your post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian McColgin View Post
    [IMc - I think the Democrats have a chance to regain some balance. Here's someone who agrees with me.]

    Published on Sunday, February 26, 2017, by Common Dreams

    Three Cheers for the Perez-Ellison DNC Team to Move the Democrats in a Progressive Direction

    by Peter Dreier

    I was hoping that Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minnesota) would win the Democratic National Committee chairmanship because of his experience as an organizer, but former Labor Secretary Tom Perez — who won a narrow victory at the DNC’s Atlanta meeting today — is also a great choice. He’s progressive, pro-worker, an accomplished advocate for civil rights and social justice, and the first Latino in that job. He immediately asked Ellison to serve as deputy chair — a smart move to bring the party together.

    Importantly, the delegates at the Atlanta meeting also elected union organizer and immigrant rights activist Maria Elena Durazo — who supported Ellison for the top post — as DNC vice chair. The daughter of migrant farm workers, as head of UNITE HERE’s LA local and then leader of the 800,000-member LA County Federation of Labor, Durazo helped elect progressives throughout the state and helped transform the California Democratic Party into a voice for the disenfranchised, including immigrants.

    We now have a Latino and an African American at the top of the DNC, a moderate Democrat minority leader in the Senate (Chuck Schumer) being pushed to the left by the grassroots resistance movement, a democratic socialist (Bernie Sanders) with a large and energized base within the party, and a charismatic and principled progressive woman (Elizabeth Warren) as the strongest voice within the party and the most likely candidate for president in 2020. These are all positive signs.

    The battle between Ellison and Perez was often portrayed as a struggle between the party’s “progressive” and the “establishment” wings. That’s a mischaracterization. Both Ellison and Perez are long-time progressives. Perez is hardly a corporate Democrat or a tool of the party’s Wall Street wing. His entire career has been devoted to fighting for civil rights, workers’ rights, and social justice.

    Perez is certainly the most progressive DNC chair since Oklahoma Senator Fred Harris occupied that post in 1970. Since then, the position has been held primarily by corporate fundraisers and moderate-to-liberal politicians and political operatives, including Larry O’Brien, Jean Westwood, Robert S. Strauss, Ken Curtis, John C. White, Charles Manatt, Paul Kirk, Ron Brown, David Wilhelm, Chris Dodd, Donald Fowler, Roy Romer, Steven Grossman, Ed Rendell, Joe Andrew, Terry McAuliffe, Howard Dean, Tim Kaine, and the recently deposed Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

    It would be a huge mistake for my fellow Ellison supporters to diss Perez and threaten to leave the Democratic Party. No doubt a handful of Ellison supporters will feel the need to go on the warpath. I hope the media don’t manufacture a phony party crisis by giving a megaphone to the small number of Ellison supporters who think that Perez’s victory is a defeat for progressives. It isn’t.

    After he lost the primary fight, Bernie endorsed Hillary. Some of Bernie’s followers attacked him for doing so as a sell-out. A few drifted over to embrace Green Party candidate Jill Stein. But the media exaggerated the extent of the desertion. In fact, about 95% of Bernie supporters voted for Hillary. We need that kind of unity now.

    As my friend Gerry McDonough, a long-time progressive activist in Massachusetts, observed: “We’re in a war against fascists. There’s no time for infighting.”

    Ellison echoed those sentiments. “If you came here supporting me, wearing a Keith t-shirt, or any t-shirt, I’m asking you to give everything you’ve got to support Chairman Perez,” he said after the vote. “You love this country, you love all the people in it, you care about each and every one of them, urban, rural, suburban, all cultures, all faiths, everybody, and they are in need of your help. And if we waste even a moment going at it over who supported who, we are not going to be standing up for those people. We don’t have the luxury, folks, to walk out of this room divided.”

    The task ahead — which Perez supports — is to rebuild the Democratic Party as an organizing party that can take advantage of the growing grassroots resistance movement that has emerged since Trump’s inauguration. That means raising money to hire organizers and put them in states and Congressional districts where liberal and progressive Democrats can win governors’ seats, state legislative races, and the House and Senate races. It means working in collaboration with unions, community organizing groups, environmental and LGBT groups, the Dreamers and other immigrant rights activists, Black Lives Matters, Planned Parenthood, Indivisible and other groups that are already mobilizing on the ground.

    The anti-Trump resistance movement is way ahead of the party. The 5 million strong Women’s march, the battles at airports against Trump’s travel ban, the recent wave of town hall meetings all over the country where angry voters (many of them politically involved for the first time) confronted Republican Congress members, and the 7,000 local groups galvanized by the Indivisible website all happened without Democrat Party involvement. But we need the party to help expand the protest movement and channel that energy into an electoral movement to put progressive and liberal Democrats in office.

    Let’s get behind the Perez/Ellison team, strengthen the progressive movement, and defeat the pro-Trump Republicans in 2018 and 2020.

    This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 License

    Peter Dreier is E.P. Clapp Distinguished Professor of Politics, and chair of the Urban & Environmental Policy Department, at Occidental College. His most recent book is The 100 Greatest Americans of the 20th Century: A Social Justice Hall of Fame (Nation Books, 2012). His other books include: Place Matters: Metropolitics for the 21st Century (University Press of Kansas, 3rd edition, 2014), and The Next Los Angeles: The Struggle for a Livable City (University of California Press, revised 2006). He writes regularly for the Los Angeles Times, Common Dreams, The Nation, and Huffington Post.
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    I keep stating the DNC is going further left, The further left, the more out of touch..
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    This also makes the case the DNC is the opposition party more concerned about their leaders and fund raising then the good of America.

    They are reduced to crying...Fascist!.

    It's beyond the capacity of them to even think there are any ideas to work together.. .

    Meanwhile Union leaders are flocking to the White House, DT is willing to take on the hard issues like Heatlhcare regardless of the political cost, He will rebuild manufacturing, the military. Bring jobs, protect our borders while the liberals rant about bathrooms, abortion,sex.

    And our libs have no idea what's going on......

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    Not just alt-facts, but alt-universe. Well done sir!
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    When I heard Perez say the Dems ought to treat trump like McConnell treated Obama he became my man. Turns out saying no wins.

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    Perez is going to have to prove he isn't a corporate neoliberal like the Clintons, or dems are going to keep losing elections for the next decade. Millennials aren't going to fall in line just because someone has a D by their name like republicans will. So far Perez is as much a progressive as McCain is a maverick. All bark and no bite.

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    When it comes to politics these days, on economic issues the is but one policy....the rich get richer, the rest of us do not. Democrat or republican, it does not matter. I don't like that reality, but accept that for now, it is what it is. Where the two parties in fact differ is on social issues. The right wants to move more towards their perverted version of "christianity" which is fairly exclusive of anyone who does not think exactly like them. The right produces repressive, discriminatory policies that are not, IMO, the direction america should be headed. The left on the other hand, stays away from discriminatory policies and is trying to push equality.

    If the economics are the same for both parties, or nearly the same, the question is then do you favor discrimination or not?

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    When it comes to politics these days, on economic issues the is but one policy....the rich get richer, the rest of us do not. Democrat or republican, it does not matter.
    I disagree. While this has no doubt happened over the past 35 or 40 years whoever was in power, the Democrats generally regard it as something to be corrected, while Republicans regard it as a feature, not a bug - or at least a tolerable result of policies that they think are otherwise good in themselves. The policies advocated by Republicans since Reagan at least have actively promoted the process, while those advocated by Democrats have probably not done enough to slow it down or stop it. This is a far bigger difference than you realize.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbys View Post
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    I keep stating the DNC is going further left, The further left, the more out of touch..
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    This also makes the case the DNC is the opposition party more concerned about their leaders and fund raising then the good of America.

    They are reduced to crying...Fascist!.

    It's beyond the capacity of them to even think there are any ideas to work together.. .

    Meanwhile Union leaders are flocking to the White House, DT is willing to take on the hard issues like Heatlhcare regardless of the political cost, He will rebuild manufacturing, the military. Bring jobs, protect our borders while the liberals rant about bathrooms, abortion,sex.

    And our libs have no idea what's going on......
    La La Land Gobbledygook!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbys View Post
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    I keep stating the DNC is going further left, The further left, the more out of touch..
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    This also makes the case the DNC is the opposition party more concerned about their leaders and fund raising then the good of America.

    They are reduced to crying...Fascist!.

    It's beyond the capacity of them to even think there are any ideas to work together.. .

    Meanwhile Union leaders are flocking to the White House, DT is willing to take on the hard issues like Heatlhcare regardless of the political cost, He will rebuild manufacturing, the military. Bring jobs, protect our borders while the liberals rant about bathrooms, abortion,sex.

    And our libs have no idea what's going on......
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    2 snarky responses.

    That's how I know it was good!.

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    Sure. When people say you're an idiot, that's how you know you're right. Let us know how that works out for you, OK?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvida View Post
    Perez is going to have to prove he isn't a corporate neoliberal like the Clintons, or dems are going to keep losing elections for the next decade. Millennials aren't going to fall in line just because someone has a D by their name like republicans will. So far Perez is as much a progressive as McCain is a maverick. All bark and no bite.
    What would you like to see from him?
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    I keep stating the DNC is going further left...
    This is a faulty premise, because it is wrong.

    ...the DNC is the opposition party...
    The DNC is not the Democratic Party. The two parties are each supposed to be the opposition, by design, as they alternate holding office. In times past the idiom was loyal opposition, a venerable tradition. The Rs have relinquished the notion of loyalty in opposition; crashing the government to make a point not even part of the governmental process isn't loyal, it is arguably treasonous.

    ...more concerned about their leaders and fund raising then the good of America.
    This is pure projection. Absolutely concerned about leaders, as they should be, with no partisan slant. Fund-raising is clearly, obviously and historically a necessary and fundamentally non-partisan practice. The qualifying part of your statement of the notion, that the concerns outweigh those for the country is demonstrably the case for the Rs and not so much for the Ds.

    It's beyond the capacity of them to even think there are any ideas to work together.
    ...while the liberals rant about bathrooms, abortion,sex.
    Another projection. It isn't liberals who keep proposing insanely inhumane and un-American legislation about bathroom use etc.

    And our libs have no idea what's going on
    At least you are consistent in your topsy turvy alt-reality. I am sure there are plenty of liberal-minded folks who don't have a clue, as there are in any segment of any population. Guess who will experience the greatest surprise when we hear the official announcement that the president colluded with the Russian president to rig the election, and the appropriate charges of treason are brought against trump and his cabal and impeachment becomes the focus of U.S. politics for the duration.

    Baloney, no matter how thin you try to slice it.

    ...DT is willing to take on the hard issues like Heatlhcare regardless of the political cost,
    He might be willing but he has no clue at all about what taking on the hard issue actually entails. He said he would have a plan in a week. He said 'nobody knew it was difficult.' Absolutley wrong and stupid, too. Like all of the dog-whistle issues he pandered to his willfully ignorant base about.

    He will rebuild manufacturing, the military. Bring jobs, protect our borders...
    He simply can't do any of that. He doesn't have any more plan for those things than to spout the lies for the camera at his ralleys.
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    Thank you Jim.

    Patience is given to people in different measures and at different times. I can't respond point to point on posts like that as I used to. Bobbys, go troll you own threads! I mean it. You have nothing to add here. This is intended as a discussion among friends of like mind. If you just came here to throw stones, gay avek.

    If you ruin this discussion, there will be no mercy!
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    We could have a 'block' party - everyone put bbbbys on ignore (I'm already there).

    Feels great!
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    Ah, George! I have nothing to say to bobby here apart from drawing the red line. I'm interested in talking about the DNC and Perez. You know, determining the facts and best thinking on the topic.
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    I don't know why it hasn't happened already George.

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    It looks like Perez is well received then?


    We know Rs can't like him, so if you're an R, no need to kick in on this one. We'll count your votes as nays.
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    According to the hard left the title of this post is incorrect, it was rigged.

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    Default Re: DNC Names New Chair

    Quote Originally Posted by George Jung View Post
    We could have a 'block' party - everyone put bbbbys on ignore (I'm already there).

    Feels great!
    I'm not sure how I feel about it yet, but when I inadvertantly gave myself a time-out from here, I was updating my profile, and deliberately un-ignored all sixty-something names on my list. And now I have no one on ignore. I'm going to see how patient I can be. I did make the conscious decision to read some posts of those present who had been on my list, specifically to see if I could rethink any of my positions, in an effort to challenge myself to make sure I can be honestly open-minded about stuff.

    The problem with having an open mind is that bad sh!t can fall in.
    Our real enemy is the
    MIC
    .

    trmp is definitely one of the
    Men-In-Charge


    It is their obscene, craven profit-driven global hegemony and empire building, that is the most important existential threat to human civilization.


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