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    I found someone in Canada selling a few cans of red lead primer. Since both Marshalls Cove and Kirby seem to have stopped selling it (not on either web site any longer as far as I can tell) it seems worth buying but I have no idea how to go about getting it shipped to the US. Anyone here know what regulations would apply? Any recommendations?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cstevens View Post
    I found someone in Canada selling a few cans of red lead primer. Since both Marshalls Cove and Kirby seem to have stopped selling it (not on either web site any longer as far as I can tell) it seems worth buying but I have no idea how to go about getting it shipped to the US. Anyone here know what regulations would apply? Any recommendations?
    It's on the website today: http://www.marshallscovemarinepaint.com/products.htm

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    Jamie, I'm pretty sure that's an old page that has not been taken down yet.

    Old products page lists red lead: http://www.marshallscovemarinepaint.com/products.htm

    New products page does not: http://www.marshallscovemarinepaint.com/products

    The new page is the one that you get if you click on the Products link from the new home page:

    http://www.marshallscovemarinepaint.com

    Of course, even more confusingly the old home page is still active as well: http://www.marshallscovemarinepaint.com/index.htm

    I've emailed them for clarification though. And added a note that they really need to fix the site!
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    Default Re: Shipping red lead primer?

    If you manage to get what you need from Marshall's Cove, will you reveal your source in Canada? Papa has needs.

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    Default Re: Shipping red lead primer?

    From Pete at Marshalls Cove:

    Hi chris. Thanks for bringing this to our attention.


    We no longer make a red lead primer.
    All the best
    Pete
    Meh.
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    I expect you may run into a bit of customs red tape trying to get it across the border. Not sure, but just guessing, as there are requirements that the contents of packages be disclosed.

    In any event, red lead primer is one of those "use it if you got it" materials. There's nothing magic that makes the red lead oxide pigment any better than any other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Cleek View Post
    I expect you may run into a bit of customs red tape trying to get it across the border. Not sure, but just guessing, as there are requirements that the contents of packages be disclosed.

    In any event, red lead primer is one of those "use it if you got it" materials. There's nothing magic that makes the red lead oxide pigment any better than any other.
    Thanks Bob. That was pretty much my assessment as well. Worth looking into, but not worth hassling with customs over it. For anyone in Canada who wants to give it a try here's the ad I was looking at:

    https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bpo/5993259057.html
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    Sandusky Paint Co has it listed as of right now. http://www.sanpaco.com/Specialty

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    Great info - thanks!
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    I got some from Kirby last summer. Had to call & ask for it though. Price is scary!
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    Update here. I called Kirby. They do still sell it but for a very scary price indeed. I'd like to support them but not at nearly twice the price! So I went ahead and ordered a gallon from Sandusky Paint.
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    I have made red lead primer, but I won't do it again. There is nothing magic about it. It is an ok primer, but is fairly dangerous to you. It is more dangerous to somebody who has to sand it later when doing repair work, and most dangerous to their children who get the dust off their clothes after its tracked home.

    It does not "kill" rot any more than other paint. It doesn't really seal better than other paint. I really just don't see that its worth it, except in museum quality restoration work where everything must be as original.

    If you feel differently the recipe is published on this forum. Red lead tetroxide powder is the main ingredient, available from fireworks supply companies.

    Actually I have some powder I could give you- as I feel it didn't really offer enough that I would use it again.

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    It does not "kill" rot any more than other paint. It doesn't really seal better than other paint. I really just don't see that its worth it, except in museum quality restoration work where everything must be as original.
    Thanks J.Madison. I expect that's an accurate assessment based on other things I've read. It may be that I am becoming one of those old guys who think that if a boat isn't made up of a certain amount of pine tar, boiled linseed oil and red lead that it's not a real boat at all. Might have to revisit my assumptions there a bit.
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    Chris,
    I have almost a gallon of red lead primer I no longer need (not working on the boat anymore). I'd be happy to give it to you. I'm in southern California. Contact me at fparth@icloud.com if you're interested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cstevens View Post
    Jamie, I'm pretty sure that's an old page that has not been taken down yet.

    Old products page lists red lead: http://www.marshallscovemarinepaint.com/products.htm

    New products page does not: http://www.marshallscovemarinepaint.com/products

    The new page is the one that you get if you click on the Products link from the new home page:

    http://www.marshallscovemarinepaint.com

    Of course, even more confusingly the old home page is still active as well: http://www.marshallscovemarinepaint.com/index.htm

    I've emailed them for clarification though. And added a note that they really need to fix the site!
    Whoops! Sorry 'bout that.

    Jamie

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    FParth, thanks for the offer but probably not worth the effort to ship it up to Seattle. I have a gallon on the way from Sandusky and that would more than cover every part of Petrel that I would ever want to use it on. And I'm still on the fence about it in any case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cstevens View Post
    Update here. I called Kirby. They do still sell it but for a very scary price indeed. I'd like to support them but not at nearly twice the price! So I went ahead and ordered a gallon from Sandusky Paint.
    The regulations have probably added to the price of red lead oxide, which jacks up the price. (Ironically, red and white lead oxide pigment were once the favored options because they were cheap!) The variation in price of one manufacturer's red lead paint and another's will likely depend upon how much red lead oxide pigment is in the paint sold. I suspect George Kirby's contains more pigment than Sandusky's if there's a big difference in their prices.

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