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    Oh those are to small, they will clog when they are needed the most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by navydog View Post
    Oh those are to small, they will clog when they are needed the most.
    You are talking about the limber holes, right? Might be true. I think we will have at look again at them when the wholes for the keel bolts are bored - although the boat is a glued construction and I seriously hope for a dry bilge.

    In the meantime more photos: Second layer of deck is done:





    and the cabin sole is also developing: You can see the two fixed-to-the-boat parts of the sole that have been installed now, leaving space for the removable parts of the sole in between:




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    Quote Originally Posted by navydog View Post
    Oh those are to small, they will clog when they are needed the most.
    Run a light chain through them, it will clear any gunk easily.
    '' You ain't gonna learn what you don't want to know. ''
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    Run a light chain through them, it will clear any gunk easily.
    This would for sure add a traditional flavour to the boat ...
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    Thomas,
    I mention the limber holes because in my view they should be effective in a worst case scenario due catastrophic failure of hull integrity, failure of a through hull or other unforeseen event. I'd rather have the bilge pump pumping water directly from the bottom of the bilge without filling each segment between floors and pouring over the tops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by navydog View Post
    Thomas,
    I mention the limber holes because in my view they should be effective in a worst case scenario due catastrophic failure of hull integrity, failure of a through hull or other unforeseen event. I'd rather have the bilge pump pumping water directly from the bottom of the bilge without filling each segment between floors and pouring over the tops.
    No doubt about this one, there will be sufficiently sized limber holes.
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    I see they're down the middle. I would put them on either side of the floor so that they can drain even when heeled over on one tack or the other. A router with a large square bit would make nice square holes if run on a guide flush with the top of the keel timber. You're below the lower bolt holding the frame to the floor so you're not losing any strength there. Easy and quick to do.
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    And the work continues. The cabin sole with the removable elements to access the bilge is finished:

    Closed:



    and open:



    Framework of the sofa takes shape:




    The head and the space for the head door is beeing planned:



    And finally the form tor the ballast keel is nearly finished: That ballast keel founding will be quite an operation!



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    Some nice new building pictures and a hot café made my day this morning

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    Very nice, I do Like the Gartside designs. I very near came to building a 24ft launch of his for a client, nearly ten years ago now.

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    What is new? The ballast model is ready. Here to be seen on it's saw horses



    and here try fitted on the boat itself:





    A little fiddling around and we will have a fit. Time to add the still missing front part of the keel!

    Work is also progressing above the deck level: The deck house and the coamings are fitted.



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    For the deck house sides as well as for the coamings the plan calls for a sandwich from a plywood layer in the center with two external layers of WRC, and so this is what we do:



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    Quote Originally Posted by zauberberg View Post
    Yes, Gartside has a hand for beautiful lines. I remember having seen a Gartside design #109, now sailing as "Freya von den sieben Inseln", during her build in the boatyard, and her lines were breathtaking.

    Here a comparision of #207 with some other, IMHO also very beautiful designs out of my selection process:



    From left to right: 34ft Burnett, 22ft Romilly, 34ft #207, 30ft Roxanne, 30ft #109

    I read whole thread and made an observation; If you mean this http://www.schiffsspotter.de/Kutter/..._sieben_Inseln
    builder has taken some freedom of design, dimensions are different, especially beam 3,63 is much more than my 109;s 3,05
    It might be design 223?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matti View Post
    It might be design 223?
    Matti
    I recently got the plans for 223. It does look about right for it. The beam is listed at 11'4" (about 3.45m?).

    ~Dan

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    Yes, Matti, this is the boat I then saw in build, and this was long ago, 10 years of more, much too long that she could be a #223, which came out only recently. The boatyard who built her then was the "Bootswerft Neuhaus", and if you look at it's website www.bootswerft-neuhaus.de and open the category "Letzte Arbeiten" (means last works - website update long overdue) you still can see the boat being built. And you can see a photo of her plans - she is a #109.

    Or to be more precise, her plans are the #109 plans. I had spoken with the builder then and he had told me of some changes he had made. I remember that he had reduced draught and if you look carefully at the plans you can see the changed keel line. I don't remember, whether he also changed beam. But also notice from the keel line, that this #109 is not your #109, I think your #109 is a younger version.

    Beside of this special model #109 it seams to me, that the more recent Pauls remakes of the Falmouth working boat are, the more beamier they become. This can be seen at the migration from Surprise I to II (#131), also in the change from #116 to #116a and others. Paul wrote me, that he found the perfomance of the type was not suffering drastically from increased beam, but that the internal appearance improves a lot. I think this is the reason why my #207 is so beamy, 3,80m, and I like it.
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    After applying epoxy the coaming/cabin side sandwich went into the vacuum bag





    came out, got planed and looks so nice now:



    Pilot wholes will make installing the portwholes easier. Then installing the corners



    and on to the boat they went:

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    Beginning to look like a cabin:



    And here a first look to the boat's new profile:



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    Wow, that’s nice!

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    It looks more awesome with every new picture!
    That will be more a ship than a boat compared with your Romilly :-)
    Very beautiful.

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    Yes, Max, but the Romilly is ready and waiting to start the saison! If your Cape Henry 21 was ready for splashing you could join me for the saison opening in May in Greece, the small boat gang there is waiting for new boats!
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    She looks very good! Amazing lines and the craftsmanship of the builders looks outstanding.

    Will she see water this year?

    /Fredrik

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    For sure not, Frederik. I planned her years ago to be ready for spring 19, but we will see. Idea was to have hull and interior ready until June, then glassing and painting, and over the next winter spars and system installation.
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    That would be nice!
    But this has to wait at least another two years, before the Henry will splash the water.
    At the moment I can´t wait for warmer temperatures to start working at the hull again.
    Greece is absolutely in my focus for sailing,but I guess it will be a hell of a drive by car and trailer.
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    Some new photos here: The glued in cabin sides with cut out openings in final size for the port wholes:






    And then there is the frame for the heads' door:








    And, most unspectacular, a pile of spruce to be transformed into mast and spars:

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    There is a filler piece inside of the hull, over the deck level. It beefs up the hull (here still to be completed by two more layers from the outside) and carries - together with the hull - the top rail of teak. This filler beef, made of Iroko, was glued in place here and trimmed on its top side.








    Here the top rail pieces from tea are being prepared, reclaimed wood from an old, big yacht deck:

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    You guys are doing full justice to a lovely design. Can't wait ('though I've no choice) for more!

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    Once the bulwarks are finished they’ll be pretty “beefy” . The new size of portholes looks better!
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    Some update on the project here.

    Space at the engine beds towards the stern gets so confined that the engine mounts wouldn't fit in their normal position. So some change was in order:



    Now the engine fits snuggly:




    Some filleting around the cabin house



    and between deck and hull




    and then its time for the forward hatch



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    In the meantime Romilly gets new deck caulking: The season is about to start soon!

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    Default Re: Gartside # 207

    Thomas , does that yard where you’re having the boat built do many full builds these days or is it mostly repair work?

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    There are new builds or re-builds, but rarely more than one project in parallel - its a small boat yard. I think it is fair to say that major work volume is repair work with a new build from time to time as a bonus.
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    Glassing the deck: 200g/m^2 set in epoxy.





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    Bump - any news Thomas?

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    Andrew,

    not much progress these days. I was sailing Romilly









    occupied reading the heavy stuff

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    ..., while the boatyard slowed down progress a little bit. Actual task ist building the cockpit:






    View on there cockpit floor structure



    Next comes the the lead keel and the first layer of the hull.
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