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    Default Gartside # 207

    Hi forumites,

    a couple of months ago I have started a slow build of Gartside # 207. The boat is not build by myself, but by a small boatyard in Greece. Here are a some fotos of the process so far:

    Wood for keel and the laminated frames is Iroko



    transformed here into pre bend strips



    and glued up



    into frames:

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    Default Re: Gartside # 207

    Here is a nice method to lift the frames lines to plywood pattern by use of a batten and a router: Haven't seen this so far!



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    And here is some work regarding the keel: Rough cutting out the keel elements from the Iroko board with a chain saw



    and building the keel: From shaping elements







    to the status we have reached to day (see next post)
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    A view of the erected stem



    which makes quite a monument: I love the line of this plumb bow!

    Here is a view from the stern to show the assembly so far



    The length of the assembly obviously is very much exaggerated by the lens in this shot! In reality the whole thing seems rather compact to me.

    Here is a detail of the deadwood under construction



    and a last view along the keel backwards:

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    Default Re: Gartside # 207

    Awesome! Please keep up the great photos!

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    Default Re: Gartside # 207

    This looks great! Where in Greece are you ?

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    I'm from time to time only in Greece actually, and am living and working in Munich, Germany. The boatyard where the build takes place is sited in Pelion, close to Volos.
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    Default Re: Gartside # 207

    Nice to see someone giving at least some hope to a few Greeks, i expect the rates are somewhat cheaper than Blohm & Voss. May i ask where you sourced the iroko Thomas?

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    The boatyard sourced the Iroko together with the WRC planend for the planking from a wood merchant / dealer in Greece.
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    Default Re: Gartside # 207

    You are not getting rid of your gorgeous Romilly? Such a beautiful execution of an iconic design.

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    Thanks for posting Thomas, from a fan of Gartside designs. I guess the discussions between you and builders must be interesting, Greek German and English

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    Default Re: Gartside # 207

    Great idea! thanks for sharing!
    Quote Originally Posted by zauberberg View Post
    Here is a nice method to lift the frames lines to plywood pattern by use of a batten and a router: Haven't seen this so far!




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    Quote Originally Posted by MoritzSchwarzer View Post
    You are not getting rid of your gorgeous Romilly? Such a beautiful execution of an iconic design.
    No no, at least not now! The build of # 207 will take quite some time, and I already planned the next sailing trip with the Romilly for May this year!

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrewpatrol View Post
    Thanks for posting Thomas, from a fan of Gartside designs. I guess the discussions between you and builders must be interesting, Greek German and English
    Yes, indeed, but I know the people there for more than 10 years now, that helps!
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    Default Re: Gartside # 207

    By the way, after having seen Don's boat I had to make this contribution to the build: A skylight, made by myself this time, mostly with hand tools:










    I made it from Iroko to match the boat's expected trim and finished it with oil only - what is part of the low maintenance strategy I plan to adopt for the rest of the boat's trim also. I selected an oil with UV protection formula for outdoor use after having tested it on a couple of samples for one year in the greek sun and rain, and they seemed doing fine.
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    Default Re: Gartside # 207

    ^ Very nice. Is that a section of a dovetail joint i see on one corner?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skaraborgcraft View Post
    ^ Very nice. Is that a section of a dovetail joint i see on one corner?
    Yes, a dovetail, but combined with a tonge and groove joint as shown in this sketch from woodenboat #92:



    Hopefully this complication adds to the tightness of the design ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by zauberberg View Post
    No no, at least not now! The build of # 207 will take quite some time, and I already planned the next sailing trip with the Romilly for May this year.
    Well, when you do give me a call. I'll be first in line.

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    Servus Thomas

    Looking great so far.
    I´m locking forward to more pictures an will be following The build with enthusiasm.
    Gartside is one of my favorit designers.

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    Default Re: Gartside # 207

    Yes, Gartside has a hand for beautiful lines. I remember having seen a Gartside design #109, now sailing as "Freya von den sieben Inseln", during her build in the boatyard, and her lines were breathtaking.

    Here a comparision of #207 with some other, IMHO also very beautiful designs out of my selection process:



    From left to right: 34ft Burnett, 22ft Romilly, 34ft #207, 30ft Roxanne, 30ft #109
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    Default Re: Gartside # 207

    I love that plumb bow Thomas, ‘really looking forward to following this build. And your butterfly hatch looks superb!! Which oil did you use?
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    Default Re: Gartside # 207

    I used the SAICOS "Special Wood Oil", made for use on external wood surfaces as garden decks, garden furniture asf. I talked to the technical sales department there and they claimed to have good experiences in boat applications. While the instruction sheet specifies 2 coats of oil I remembered marine best practice and applied 5. Application can be done with a rag, very simple.



    As mentioned before I have made a clotheline with about a dozen small wood samples with various numbers of coats and also w/out pre coating with a thin pre-coating oil and hang them out into the sun and rain. The results after one year out were positiv: The samples which had received 2 coats look still goot, those with 1 coat only showed clear signs of starvation (greyness) but without any flaking whatsoever, and were quickly restored to original apperance by applying one coat with the oiled rag without any sanding. Promising I woudl say, let's see how the skylight will do.
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    Default Re: Gartside # 207

    Quote Originally Posted by zauberberg View Post
    Yes, Gartside has a hand for beautiful lines. I remember having seen a Gartside design #109, now sailing as "Freya von den sieben Inseln", during her build in the boatyard, and her lines were breathtaking.

    Here a comparision of #207 with some other, IMHO also very beautiful designs out of my selection process:



    From left to right: 34ft Burnett, 22ft Romilly, 34ft #207, 30ft Roxanne, 30ft #109

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    Default Re: Gartside # 207

    We can add 26' 116

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    Default Re: Gartside # 207

    Lovely, looking forward to seeing this come together. Im curious, are they planning on building her right side up? Construction is triple skin over those frames, which I imagine would be easier done upside down?

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    Indeed, after some fore and back on the topic the boatyard decided to build her right side up. Main arguments were

    1. to avoid rolling over of the rather wide boat and

    2. to give some flexibility to the building process: Setting up the jigg and fastening the deck shelves right side up can now be followed by many other tasks before planking, e.g. installation of deckbeams, bulkheads, superstructure, engine beds and even sub structure of furniture, what is expected to be easier within an unplaked hull.

    Of course, gluing up the hull from strips and espescially veneers will be more troublesome right side up.
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    Default Re: Gartside # 207

    Yep, all makes sense. I also allows for a bloody good workout when faring the planking between layers!

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