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    Oh, I dig. I really like that Butler boat. I would choose it over the Little Dipper in a heartbeat.

    If the choice were between the two, no choice for me.

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    I'm still thinking !
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    Are there plans in existence for a wooden flika 20?
    Great way to get headroom but never going to be canoe yawl graceful!

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    Vertue class by H Barton, #xxxv was around here

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    I would take Yonne over Dipper, but only cos i would appreciate a tad more elbow room, the half ton extra trailing weight is no issue when it gets that heavy as it will be a tractor job or commercial haul. But if you are talking minimalist Dipper would creep ahead. I was wondering if you have considred Welsfords Sundowner? It might not have the complete 1930s era look, but you could do a lot with trim and coachroof to get a period feel. If James was suggesting a wooden Flika, the Sundowner has to be it. Reasonable draft, headroom, and you can cold mould it....do not see any reason why you could not strip build it either, but you might want to check with JW if you were tempted. A lot of boat for a reasonable outlay in time and material, with go-anywhere potential. If i was stuck at accepting a boat with such a waterline length, it would be up there at the top to consider.

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    There is always a slightly smaller boat to consider, but might meet all your needs. I bring it up since you mention trying to be 'minimal' a few posts ago...

    http://www.geoss.com.au/eun_mara/index.htm



    If you need a larger one... Grey Seal or Roan Mhor fit the bill

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    This my only other serious contender, a Harrison Butler ''Yonne''.
    I would choose it over the Little Dipper in a heartbeat.
    I'm with Amish Rob: Between Little Dipper and Yvonne, Yvonne wins my vote. A little more elbow room, a little more sheer forward, a really nice foredeck for working on in a seaway. I'd probably rig her gaff-headed, though.

    That Itchen Ferry is a stunner, too.

    Alex

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    You can build a flika apparently.
    The plans were published in the rudder magazine and ckd van provide mdf sections http://ckdboats.blogspot.co.uk/2012/...e-kit.html?m=1

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    Perfect to keep on a trailer for those rare occasions when I can sneak out... love it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pitsligo View Post
    I'm with Amish Rob: Between Little Dipper and Yvonne, Yvonne wins my vote. A little more elbow room, a little more sheer forward, a really nice foredeck for working on in a seaway. I'd probably rig her gaff-headed, though.

    That Itchen Ferry is a stunner, too.

    Alex
    I've got to admit when it comes to cutters I am a huge fan of almost dead flat sheer... here's one I drew years ago...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pitsligo View Post
    I'm with Amish Rob: Between Little Dipper and Yvonne, Yvonne wins my vote. A little more elbow room, a little more sheer forward, a really nice foredeck for working on in a seaway. I'd probably rig her gaff-headed, though.



    That Itchen Ferry is a stunner, too.

    Alex
    Yonne is likely the better boat, freely admitted, but because she is a Harrison Butler design I would feel obligated to stay true to the design and I would like a gaffer. My position is pig headed, illogical and not very smart !

    Quote Originally Posted by Jamesh View Post
    You can build a flika apparently.
    The plans were published in the rudder magazine and ckd van provide mdf sections http://ckdboats.blogspot.co.uk/2012/...e-kit.html?m=1

    I'd take Little Dipper over Flika, Flika appears too much like a "toy boat" for me, but thanks for finding the link.
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    thank you for this thread btw, now I need to go draw some ideas...
    I promise to share if anything interesting materializes

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    There is another Benford design Mr Sibley , its only 2 ft longer than Flicka , but not really a " toy "boat I think.....

    Headroom 6` 2 "


    http://www.benford.us/mint/pepper/orderedlist/downloads/download.php?file=http%3A//www.benford.us/pdf/CruisingCatboat.pdf







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    ^ there has been a ferro cat boat hull up for sale here in Sweden for some years, ready for fitting out. Even i was half tempted, but for the given displacement, i could have a waterline at least 4 ft longer. For those stuck on a 22ft length, that IS a lot of boat!

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    Here's the type I really like Teal, rather old but about right. http://intheboatshed.net/2007/12/03/...boat-for-sale/ 21 foot 6'' !!!





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    Teal is lovely, so is Guillemot! White Rose is lovely but really set up for day sailing - but what a beautiful build!

    I like the way your preferences are going Mr S!

    Rick

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamesh View Post
    White Rose.

    Thanks !



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    My current boat (Sula) is very similar to little dipper, 24ft x 7ft 6" x 4ft. She has a decent amount of forefoot, plenty of rake to the keel and fairly slack bilges. About 1/3 of her ballast inside, 2/3 on the keel. Motoring 3 miles into a fair chop with no rig but a heavy deck load she handled very nicely, lifting to each wave gently but in plenty of time to keep the deck dry. I haven't had chance to sail her yet, I need to get the masts and rigging built, the engine electricals fixed and the cockpit finished. hopefully this year I'll be cruising again.

    My previous boat, Storm Petrel, was smaller at 18ft x 6ft 6" x 3ft 3". Much the same hull shape and about half her ballast inside. She was a great sea boat and could be left to it in any conditions except downwind in a big sea. I'm hoping the new boat is as good when she's finished.

    Have you got the plans for Teal? I'll post them here if not. I used Teal's sailplan for Stormy, and will use it for Sula.

    R.

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    All I have is images pulled off the web so plans would be extremely welcome ! ( This place is amazing !!) So thank you and yes please !

    How does Little Dipper's slack bilged hull shape compare to your Sula Robert? Is Little Dipper "slacker"? I'm still trying to work out how she would sail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    I'm still trying to work out how she would sail.
    Im thinking a quite an angle due to little hull form stability. I have recently gone the other way, higher topsides, less boat under the water requires less ballast but still has good self righting properties. Trade offs and compromises.......

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    True , very much like the Falmouth Quay Punt (?) Marie Michon discussed at length a few years ago. 26 foot LOA.



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    Here's Sula when I launched her;
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    Teal, from a PDF of Yachting Monthly from 19??;
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    Thanks Robert, the Little Pal / Teal lines will get a very close inspection!

    Thank you ! I've looked for them before but never found them.

    Good night now, bed time in Australia .
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    Here's the type I really like Teal
    Is this the same Teal as was blogged about all through the Baltic, "In the wake of Racundra"? I'm guessing yes --I read and loved the fellow's blog-- but the blog is now 404. She's quite an able little ship. I emailed with the fellow who took her through the Baltic, and if you're interested, I'll try to reestablish contact and find out where the blog went.

    Speaking of Racundra (Arthur Ransome's boat), have you looked at her?

    Alex

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    William Garden's Spice Island Cutter, also called the Vashon Island Cutter. 22'6" LWL, 9'5" beam, draft 5'4", displacement 12,600 lbs with 4700 lbs outside ballast and 1000 lbs inside, sail area 531 sq ft in the three lowers.





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    And pictures of the Spice Island Cutter.







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    I too have seen the Puffin, ( and one other Spice Island Cutter many years ago). I always liked the design. It is a really big little boat, but with a very generous rig I believe would perform reasonably for a cruising boat. It does not have the plumb/plainness of the Atkin or Falmouth punt or the slight apple-cheek roundness of the Gartside. This is styled a little more like a little ship. But I actually think the practical elements of the design work, and the slight affectation of the 'schooner bow' is just fine ...with me. I think I'd probably finish it like Puffin without the beak, but what the hell, maybe just go for it.

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    I do so much like the full raised deck amidships with a doghouse plopped on top, seems to offer a good compromise on strength and headroom.
    Big difference in entry fullness between this and the Benford cat boat, though in the photo of Puffin, the bows do not look that hollow. Handsome boat!

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    Unless really constrained I would think that a 26 foot boat would be a better and more usable proposition than a 18 or 20 foot heavy displacement boat
    Like thishttp://store.gartsideboats.com/collections/all/products/26-ft-gaff-cutter-design-116
    James

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pitsligo View Post
    Is this the same Teal as was blogged about all through the Baltic, "In the wake of Racundra"? I'm guessing yes --I read and loved the fellow's blog-- but the blog is now 404. She's quite an able little ship. I emailed with the fellow who took her through the Baltic, and if you're interested, I'll try to reestablish contact and find out where the blog went.

    Speaking of Racundra (Arthur Ransome's boat), have you looked at her?

    Alex
    This blog Alex ? http://falmouthquaypunt.blogspot.com...1_archive.html
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    I think I prefer Little Pal's lines to Little Dipper, a bit more form stability. Is there any other information available Robert , ballast weight etc ?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamesh View Post
    Unless really constrained I would think that a 26 foot boat would be a better and more usable proposition than a 18 or 20 foot heavy displacement boat
    Like thishttp://store.gartsideboats.com/collections/all/products/26-ft-gaff-cutter-design-116
    James
    I looked carefully at 116 James but although she's lovely ,she just a bit too big.
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