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    Default Re: 15' Catboats.

    Mike of Boat Design Quarterly has mentioned on a number of occasions that chine hulled catboats tend to have severe weather helm plus making the bottom panel fastened to the stem is very, very hard. Although I have not sailed one, I believe he is right. That's why I'm building a Bolger designed Harbinger.

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    Default Re: 15' Catboats.

    I think that depends on how you do it. You have to keep the beam far enough forward, and it helps if you keep the bilges a bit slack, like this:





    Mind you, I'm just amateur messing around with Delftship, but I think a good stitch and glue catboat can be done.
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    There's a Sandpiper for sale in MA. I'll be up in PVD after Christmas. Gonna go have a look.
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    Quote Originally Posted by B. Parkes View Post
    Mike of Boat Design Quarterly has mentioned on a number of occasions that chine hulled catboats tend to have severe weather helm plus making the bottom panel fastened to the stem is very, very hard. Although I have not sailed one, I believe he is right. That's why I'm building a Bolger designed Harbinger.
    ooooh sweet set o' lines... we had the original, built at Story's yard, in the shop at Pert Lowell many springs, for bottom paint and routine maintenance.

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    Default Re: 15' Catboats.

    Have you talked to Tony at Arey's Pond Boatyard? They are all about catboats there. http://areyspondboatyard.com/brokerage/


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    Default Re: 15' Catboats.

    Got to see a Sandpiper and a Fisher today. The Marshall is a lot more boat, and I like the 200# of internal ballast. Gonna make an offer on the Marshall.
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    How easy is it to step and unstep the mast on that boat? That's the one possible negative I see in it.
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    Mast hinges (tabernacle fittings) are available for Marshall cats: http://www.marshallcat.com/html/tabernacle_mast1.html
    "... and the great shroud of the sea rolled on as it rolled five thousand years ago."

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    Quote Originally Posted by rbgarr View Post
    Mast hinges (tabernacle fittings) are available for Marshall cats: http://www.marshallcat.com/html/tabernacle_mast1.html
    And they can be retrofitted. If I get her I will get Marshall to do so.
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    You probably know but note that the hinge can only be retrofitted to boats that have the post-1980 masts.
    "... and the great shroud of the sea rolled on as it rolled five thousand years ago."

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    Quote Originally Posted by rbgarr View Post
    You probably know but note that the hinge can only be retrofitted to boats that have the post-1980 masts.
    That's on the Sanderling. On the Sandpiper any year mast can be retrofitted with the hinge. Confirmed this with Jeff Marshall yesterday.
    REALLY nice folks at Marshall Marine.
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    Right! I missed the distinction.
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    Default Re: 15' Catboats.

    Offer made. Waiting to hear back.
    Also got a call on the Knickerbocker today.

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    Default Re: 15' Catboats.

    Well.. fingers crossed twice for you!

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    Well I heard back from Marshall just a minute ago. They've got the brokerage on the Sandpiper. The site shows an "asking" price of $14k. Turns out it's a "telling" price. Owner won't budge $1.
    I told them to enjoy another season in their boat. I'll find another one. They built 600 of them, one will come up for sale.

    Also I really like the folks at Marshall. Hopefully we can do business, just not on that particular boat.
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    Default Re: 15' Catboats.

    Selway Fisher have a nice 13' Woodlark cat boat design

    http://www.selway-fisher.com/Other1013.htm


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    She's pretty, but I'm looking for 15'. It's amazing what a difference 2' can make in a boat.
    Not many 15' open cats around. The Marshall is very highly regarded.
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    I agree about the two or three foot difference. I was looking at a Garden Tom Cat (12-13') but ended up with a Gartside 'Jessie' (15').
    "... and the great shroud of the sea rolled on as it rolled five thousand years ago."

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    Nice looking 15' cat.

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?...06;skin=mobile

    Anybody know if these plans are available? Maybe from the Museum at Mystic?
    And if so could a NA use them to whip up a set of full size patterns?
    Add a new mast and sail from a Sandpiper. Just have a hull to build. Strip or cold mold. Covered with epoxy and dynel or glass. Could be a relatively quick build. Low maintenance and pretty.
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    Don't overlook Joel White's Marsh Cat.
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    From the drawings on the other pages of the Sea Gull article in Rudder magazine, Hewes might be able to CNC cut molds for you either full-size or in pieces that you could assemble: http://hewesco.com/cnc-marine/cnc.html
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    Default Re: 15' Catboats.

    That would be a huge timesaver.
    I'd still love to find a Sandpiper, but I'm not willing to pay a ridiculous premium for one.
    If the first project in my new shop was a cold molded catboat I'd be good with that.
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    Default Re: 15' Catboats.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reynard38 View Post
    ...Not many 15' open cats around.
    Harbinger mentioned above by B. Parkes is very attractive and Bolger's plans are available. The Goeller design from "The Rudder" and Harbinger were both featured in Mike O'Brien's "Boat Design Quarterly," issues No. 42 and No. 41 respectively. Here's a Harbinger build - http://rosslillistonewoodenboat.blog...harbinger.html

    Not to go too far afield from your quest, but I've thought about rigging a Harbinger in the style of Bolger's Chebacco for use as a sail and oar boat since she was also designed with rowing in mind.

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    You might try contacting the Yacht Clubs represented by the competitors in the 2105 Sandpiper championship regatta to see if any are for sale but as yet unlisted anywhere. The list is on Marshall's website.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rbgarr View Post
    You might try contacting the Yacht Clubs represented by the competitors in the 2105 Sandpiper championship regatta to see if any are for sale but as yet unlisted anywhere. The list is on Marshall's website.
    Great idea, thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynard38 View Post
    Nice looking 15' cat.

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?...06;skin=mobile

    Anybody know if these plans are available? Maybe from the Museum at Mystic?
    And if so could a NA use them to whip up a set of full size patterns?
    Add a new mast and sail from a Sandpiper. Just have a hull to build. Strip or cold mold. Covered with epoxy and dynel or glass. Could be a relatively quick build. Low maintenance and pretty.
    It would be quicker to build stitch and glue, and you can get some amazing shapes that way. See post #37.

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    Agreed, but I wouldn't like the look of lapstrake on a catboat.
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    The lapstrake cabin catboats built by John D.Little don't look too bad, but tastes differ of course and you want an open boat: http://www.boatersresources.com/bfs_...q24=&q25=&q26=
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    Actually that's a very attractive boat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnw View Post
    It would be quicker to build stitch and glue, and you can get some amazing shapes that way. See post #37.
    Its interesting what you've drawn there. It's almost going down a road towards a hybrid of say a modern design like a Dudley Dix DS15 and a Traditional NY catboat.
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    Default Re: 15' Catboats.

    Another Sandpiper might be coming available.
    I do see myself building a catboat at some point.
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    Default Re: 15' Catboats.



    This one from Selway fisher, is 15'10 x 7ft. Hanging around in the 'other dayboats' section under the name of Lapwing River Catboat.



    Strip plank, metal centerplate, one was built by Tavy Wooden Boats, Dorset recently.

    Looks pretty, usefull and civilised to my eye. Perhaps the American forumites more familiar with the type can critique it?









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    Nice looking lines and the correct size.
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    Default Re: 15' Catboats.

    These little Bolgers are not the sort of beauties that are really the topic here but are great examples of what can be built fast by an enthusiastic dad for a couple of sailing crazy kids.



    I call them:

    Christo (for the 'artist' of Pepto Bismol sensibility) and

    Solas (from Saving Of Life At Sea, the international convention that so immortalizes international orange)

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