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    Default Re: 15' Catboats.

    Selway Fisher have a nice 13' Woodlark cat boat design

    http://www.selway-fisher.com/Other1013.htm


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    She's pretty, but I'm looking for 15'. It's amazing what a difference 2' can make in a boat.
    Not many 15' open cats around. The Marshall is very highly regarded.
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    I agree about the two or three foot difference. I was looking at a Garden Tom Cat (12-13') but ended up with a Gartside 'Jessie' (15').
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    Nice looking 15' cat.

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?...06;skin=mobile

    Anybody know if these plans are available? Maybe from the Museum at Mystic?
    And if so could a NA use them to whip up a set of full size patterns?
    Add a new mast and sail from a Sandpiper. Just have a hull to build. Strip or cold mold. Covered with epoxy and dynel or glass. Could be a relatively quick build. Low maintenance and pretty.
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    Don't overlook Joel White's Marsh Cat.
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    From the drawings on the other pages of the Sea Gull article in Rudder magazine, Hewes might be able to CNC cut molds for you either full-size or in pieces that you could assemble: http://hewesco.com/cnc-marine/cnc.html
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    That would be a huge timesaver.
    I'd still love to find a Sandpiper, but I'm not willing to pay a ridiculous premium for one.
    If the first project in my new shop was a cold molded catboat I'd be good with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynard38 View Post
    ...Not many 15' open cats around.
    Harbinger mentioned above by B. Parkes is very attractive and Bolger's plans are available. The Goeller design from "The Rudder" and Harbinger were both featured in Mike O'Brien's "Boat Design Quarterly," issues No. 42 and No. 41 respectively. Here's a Harbinger build - http://rosslillistonewoodenboat.blog...harbinger.html

    Not to go too far afield from your quest, but I've thought about rigging a Harbinger in the style of Bolger's Chebacco for use as a sail and oar boat since she was also designed with rowing in mind.

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    You might try contacting the Yacht Clubs represented by the competitors in the 2105 Sandpiper championship regatta to see if any are for sale but as yet unlisted anywhere. The list is on Marshall's website.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rbgarr View Post
    You might try contacting the Yacht Clubs represented by the competitors in the 2105 Sandpiper championship regatta to see if any are for sale but as yet unlisted anywhere. The list is on Marshall's website.
    Great idea, thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynard38 View Post
    Nice looking 15' cat.

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?...06;skin=mobile

    Anybody know if these plans are available? Maybe from the Museum at Mystic?
    And if so could a NA use them to whip up a set of full size patterns?
    Add a new mast and sail from a Sandpiper. Just have a hull to build. Strip or cold mold. Covered with epoxy and dynel or glass. Could be a relatively quick build. Low maintenance and pretty.
    It would be quicker to build stitch and glue, and you can get some amazing shapes that way. See post #37.

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    Agreed, but I wouldn't like the look of lapstrake on a catboat.
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    The lapstrake cabin catboats built by John D.Little don't look too bad, but tastes differ of course and you want an open boat: http://www.boatersresources.com/bfs_...q24=&q25=&q26=
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    Actually that's a very attractive boat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnw View Post
    It would be quicker to build stitch and glue, and you can get some amazing shapes that way. See post #37.
    Its interesting what you've drawn there. It's almost going down a road towards a hybrid of say a modern design like a Dudley Dix DS15 and a Traditional NY catboat.
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    Another Sandpiper might be coming available.
    I do see myself building a catboat at some point.
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    This one from Selway fisher, is 15'10 x 7ft. Hanging around in the 'other dayboats' section under the name of Lapwing River Catboat.



    Strip plank, metal centerplate, one was built by Tavy Wooden Boats, Dorset recently.

    Looks pretty, usefull and civilised to my eye. Perhaps the American forumites more familiar with the type can critique it?









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    Nice looking lines and the correct size.
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    These little Bolgers are not the sort of beauties that are really the topic here but are great examples of what can be built fast by an enthusiastic dad for a couple of sailing crazy kids.



    I call them:

    Christo (for the 'artist' of Pepto Bismol sensibility) and

    Solas (from Saving Of Life At Sea, the international convention that so immortalizes international orange)

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    Howard Boats ( www.howard-boats.com) build a nice slightly bigger beetle called a Fisher Cat. Just enough bigger to deserve seats instead of sitting on the floor boards.
    I think they are glass hulls with wood finish and wood spars, so look pretty nice. They list one for sale used.
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    I had a chance to see a Fisher Cat sitting next to a Sandpiper at Marshall Marine. Despite being only a foot shorter the Fisher is considerably smaller. Even a foot makes a large difference in volume in a catboat.
    15.5' to 16.5' seems to be the sweet spot for me anyway.
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    The saga continues. A Marshall Sandpiper emerged on a island near Bristol RI, ad was sent to be by a sharp eyed forum member. Owner was "interesting" to speak with. Talked to a surveyor about taking a look at her. Turns out this island is essentially a 3rd world country and difficult to access in the winter. Would take the surveyor an entire day to access and survey a 15' boat, almost $700.

    Starting to think I need to wait on one NOT in New England. The surveyor says they are way overpriced in that part of the country. I'm inclined to agree. There's a Sanderling at my marina on the lake that has been for sale for well over a year. Asking $4300 and no takers. I bet she could be had for under $3k.
    In New England they are a fashion and lifestyle accessory, down here it's a short, fat funny looking boat.

    Big Sandpiper fleet in Florida. Gotta be one for sale at some point in God's Waiting Room.
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    Buy the Sanderling on your lake. Haul it north and sell it. Buy a Sandpiper with the profit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breakaway View Post
    Buy the Sanderling on your lake. Haul it north and sell it. Buy a Sandpiper with the profit.

    Kevin
    Now that is an idea
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    Another one came up on Prudence Island. The trick is getting there. Very infrequent ferry service in the winter months.
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    Another one came up on Prudence Island. The trick is getting there. Very infrequent ferry service in the winter months.
    Huh? There's five ferries day according to the website. http://www.prudencebayislandstransport.com/


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    Well according to the surveyor I spoke with it'd be an all day ordeal to go take a look at her. $700.
    Im about ready to confine my search parameters to the Chesapeake and points south.
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    That's about perfect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynard38 View Post
    That's about perfect.
    Phil Bolger thought so. I can't recall for which design, possibly Spartina, that Bolger commented on it. When the client asked for a 15' catboat design he suggested that he build a Goeller SEA GULL as Bolger believed that the design could not be improved upon.

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    Francois Vivier's 15' Ilur is not a typical Cape Cod Cat, but in some ways an improvement.

    First: you can row it. Oars stow under the floorboards. Although she is wide and high sided, you can actually row her pretty well. I don't use a motor at all.

    Second: she sails well. The loose footed lug rig (131 sf) is very powerful and close winded. It is also much simpler than the usual gaff sail on a cat. The designer also has a yawl and boomed rigs for it. I have the loose footed lug because it is the simplest of all rigs, and doesn't sacrifice much to performance. She has a deep, lifting rudder, which probably accounts for part of her good performance. She's much easier on the tiller than the typical cat with the barn-door rudder.

    Third: its a modern design. Floatation is designed in, and you can get a pre-cut kit that will reduce building time a lot.

    Last summer I sailed in a little sail and paddle regatta in Penobscot bay and we headed out in light air. The Ilur was easily the fastest sailboat in the fleet. It was almost embarrassing how we slid smoothly by a 15' Cape Dory Handy Cat, prompting the cat's crew to accuse us of motoring.

    She is also a weatherly boat for her size. I've had her out solo in a 20kt breeze in open water, with large ocean swells. We were triple reefed, but dry and relaxed (but I was heading back to shelter in case the wind blew up more). [edit: maybe not actually 20kts. But there were whitecaps.]

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    I've been scrounging Craigslist ads for catboats. A surprising number of vintage wooden cats in the 18-27 foot range pop up regularly.
    Very few smaller ones though. I know they got built. Was it just that it wasn't worth maintaining one when you could just buy another that so few seem to have survived?
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    Default Re: 15' Catboats.

    Or maybe folks love them so much they can't bear to part with them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Hazard View Post
    Or maybe folks love them so much they can't bear to part with them?
    Sure seems that way. The 18' Sanderlings and similar boats are a dime a dozen.
    Reminds me of when I was trying to find a used Toyota Tacoma for our daughter. People don't turn lose of them.
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