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    Default 15' Catboats.

    With the Coquina being very well cared for up in Maryland and some interest finally on the Knickerbocker I've been doing a lot of thinking about which catboat for our place in SC.
    While I was considering a Sanderling I've decided (well this is an inexact science) I'm really leaning towards something a bit smaller.
    Reasons? I sail solo 90% of the time. 15' with a 7' beam will share dock (lift) space alongside the Rambler much easier than a bigger catboat. Easier to haul at our neighborhood ramp.
    I really don't need a cabin.
    Marshall's version of a 15' cat is rare as a Hilary Bumper sticker in Mississippi on the used market. Seems folks don't ever turn loose off them (says a lot about them) and a new version is pricey @ $25k. You can get a used Sanderling all day long for under $15k, and there is one at my marina on Lake Lanier that I bet could be had for $3k (needs a lot of TLC).
    Beetles are cute, but a bit smallish and I don't like the idea of sitting directly on the sole.
    Menger made a 15', which became a Legnos 15 and then a Thomcat which is still being made.
    Also the Fisher 15 looks nice. I believe that one is by Howard Boats.
    Now I'm certainly not averse to a 15' wood cat. 15' of wood is managleble as far as upkeep is concerned, but I haven't seen any for sale.
    Yeah I know I could build one, but I've gotta finish the Rambler and then clean out the shop to get the house ready to sell. Once I get to SC I want to get sailing, and I see my next project as a skiff. Maybe a point comfort 18 for fishing the creeks and throwing a cast net.
    So were there any @15' open cockpit wooden cats built? Must have been at some point as what spawned all the glass ones?
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    Default Re: 15' Catboats.

    my favourite 16 footer

    Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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    Default Re: 15' Catboats.

    Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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    Default Re: 15' Catboats.

    Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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    Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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    WB School has a 16' wood catboat called Shenaniganz. It's one of Fenwick Williams last designs (afaik) and has a large cockpit open almost all the way to the mast. if i were to build a catboat in that size she'd be the one.





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    Yes! Thanks guys. Exactly what I'm talking about. Love the shearlines, especially on the FW design.
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    Like the dodger too. Looks like there'd even be room for a small Bimini to keep the low country sun off the skipper.
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    Default Re: 15' Catboats.

    A quick google search of Joel White's Marsh Cat will lead you to a slew of pictures of this one. The Legnos boat was more of a sandbagger style and I heard it referred to as a "washing machine" as you are going to get wet.

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    Found a video of Shenaniganz. It looks like she goes to windward well, and not much weather helm!

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    Whittholz has a design for a 14'11" catboat out of plywood. Got a copy of 'Fifty Wooden Boats" from our host? See page 42. It can be built without the tiny cuddy if there's no need for it. Personally, I'd keep it for secure, dry stowage when the boat was not in use.

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    Default Re: 15' Catboats.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    Paul, what is she?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevin b View Post
    The Legnos boat was more of a sandbagger style and I heard it referred to as a "washing machine" as you are going to get wet.
    I see what you mean. Low freeboard, bluff bow and not a lot of sheer. She's pretty and were I only sailing on protected waters I might consider it.
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    Default Re: 15' Catboats.

    Beetle Cat makes a 14 footer. Look at their website.

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    Default Re: 15' Catboats.

    Quote Originally Posted by blindbrook View Post
    Beetle Cat makes a 14 footer. Look at their website.
    (for $40K without the sail)
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    Yeah, I've seen this boat online several places. No doubt a nice little cat, but for me the cuddy kills it. Makes the cockpit too small and the cabin is not very useable either. If she was open I think the aesthetics would work better. IMO of course,and no offense intended to designer, builder or owner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rbgarr View Post
    (for $40K without the sail)
    Howard Boats makes a Fisher 14 in glass. Nice looking boat, lotta wood trim.
    I'm guessing the $40k version is all wood. Meaning a used one that needs paint/varnish could be had for $15k .
    I not decrying the labor that goes into one, I know it well! But I just can't see paying $40k for a wood one when a glass one is 1/2 that if I was buying new.
    Now building one myself? That's another matter entirely.
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    Default Re: 15' Catboats.

    I have sailed one of those Whitholtz small cats. Delightfull....I think a little catboat is nearly the ideal small day boat for messing around in.

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    AFAIK only one of the Beetle 14s has been built. (Beetle also built one wood 12 footer with higher topsides and bench seats.) I think the Howard Fisher Cats/Marshall Sandpipers filled the market for that size and type. Quite a few Fishers in great shape are for sale in the range you mention complete with trailer and covers, etc.
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    Default Re: 15' Catboats.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reynard38 View Post
    Paul, what is she?
    http://www.woodenboat.com/register-wooden-boats/tidbit
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    Default Re: 15' Catboats.

    http://research.mysticseaport.org/coll/coll259/ scroll down to box 13
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    9(193) 16’6″ Cat Boat

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynard38 View Post
    Found a video of Shenaniganz. It looks like she goes to windward well, and not much weather helm!

    This video captures so much of what makes catboats, wooden boats and small boats in general so attractive. The nice comfy cockpit, the warmth of painted wood and the beauty of bronze and varnish, all combine to create a sense of peace, ease and enjoyment of the world around you...

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    Default Re: 15' Catboats.

    I will say that sitting on the Beetle Cat sole is surprisingly comfortable on the off chance you have an opportunity to have one as a stop gap boat.

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    My favorite 16 footer..... way nicer than Joe's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by callsign222 View Post
    I will say that sitting on the Beetle Cat sole is surprisingly comfortable on the off chance you have an opportunity to have one as a stop gap boat.
    I sailed a Bobcat for years. Sitting on the sole or sidedeck was quite comfortable.

    And a 12 1/2 by 6 foot boat is surprisingly large.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G.Sherman View Post
    My favorite 16 footer..... way nicer than Joe's.
    Personal experience?
    And I bet you've got a few more pics lying around of her too that you could share via a PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rbgarr View Post
    AFAIK only one of the Beetle 14s has been built. (Beetle also built one wood 12 footer with higher topsides and bench seats.) I think the Howard Fisher Cats/Marshall Sandpipers filled the market for that size and type. Quite a few Fishers in great shape are for sale in the range you mention complete with trailer and covers, etc.
    The Fisher does look nice (yeah I know, its glass). It's a bit smaller than the Sandpiper.
    Sandpiper is 400# heavier and contains 200# of ballast so I'm wondering if she'd be a bit stiffer and more weatherly?
    Only 10SF of sail area difference between them.
    Of course the Sandpipers rarely are seen on the used market.
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    Of course the Sandpipers rarely are seen on the used market.
    I know of one up here for sale. A beater. Needs a new cockpit sole among other things. Up for a project? It is a project boat. The guy wants, I think, 6 grand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breakaway View Post
    I know of one up here for sale. A beater. Needs a new cockpit sole among other things. Up for a project? It is a project boat. The guy wants, I think, 6 grand.

    Kevin
    You had me with project. And $6K!
    Got any contact info?
    Thanks!
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    Broker tells me there's a guy interested in the Knickerbocker. Maybe an offer this weekend.
    If she goes it'll be serious shopping time.
    A few Fisher Cats available. Nice looking boats.
    The Sandpiper is top of list, but finding a used one.....
    The one on Long Island sold already. Was kinda looking forward to a road trip as was my wife.
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    I am very happy with my Handy Cat. My only issue is that the rig is hard enough that it takes two of us to put it up. Since we trailer sail it that makes things more difficult, but the boat and rig are great.

    I bought off of the catboat association website. I would recommend this class to people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynard38 View Post
    If she goes it'll be serious shopping time.
    A few Fisher Cats available. Nice looking boats.
    I looked over the one in Stone Harbor NJ when I visited Russ and Sjogin a year ago at this time (which was a GREAT road trip!). It's in very good shape and kept indoors. See the bottom of the list here: http://www.catboats.org/page/SneakPreviews171
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    I've been talking to the owner of that one, thanks for the info!
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