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    So, what's been going on?
    Not too much boat work to be honest

    We did a monster push to be ready to bend the frames (once we set a date we had to meet it!) and we have had a house full of volunteers so the last week has been getting the shop and house put back together and to get recovered from the work and visitors.

    I also had a piece of a tooth break off so there were dentist visits and as crazy as it sounds we are flying to France to get the dental work done because it is cheaper to fly to France and pay out of pocket than to pay out of pocket here.
    Alix's dad lives in Paris and Alix was going to visit him anyways so I am going to tag along. I need a crown ($1,500 here) or $600 for the plane ticket and another $500 out of pocket for the crown in France. So that dictated doing an expedited passport renewal so I have been busy with all of that as well.

    In terms of Arabella, 26 out of 74 frames are in and I have been taking them out two at a time, giving them an inspection, a light sand and a couple coats of oil. The sockets have been getting touched up and then two coats of shellac and two coats of antifouling paint. Once the screws come in we will bed them and permanently attach them to the keel timber.

    I still need to finish the rabbet and the frame sockets up the stem and stern post. Most of the frame stock is already milled so once the sockets are done we can bend those ones in without much fuss. That will probably all wait until November when we get back from Paris. Between now and France I need to get the frames that are done put to bed and then must prepare for winter! Come early November we will finish the framing job and hope to be hanging some planks by the new year.

    A frame going in
    It should be a public link, anyone should be able to see it.

    https://www.facebook.com/acorntoarab...1595921279340/


    Nap time




    Not too shabby for a novice crew



    They keep their shape with no support and look mighty fine with a little oil


    Heels and sockets are getting painted.

    ACORN TO ARABELLA
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    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAi...WB1xCp6uuUo0VA

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    [IMG]arabella frames by Michael Owen, on Flickr[/IMG]

    Looking mighty "shippy" gentlemen!

    Great work.

    Mike
    "near it, a small whale-boat, painted red and blue, the delight of the king's old age."

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    Hey Steve, you probably have this figured out by now, but I have a theory of what went wrong with the lofting of the rabbet. Now, grain of salt: I haven't built a boat yet, but I've lofted two and ran into a similar problem with a whale strake that had offsets in profile but not in plan.

    Having never seen the offset table, my guess is there is a row with half-breadths for the top of keel and one with heights for the rabbet. And it sounds to me like you used the half breadths for the top of keel as half breaths for the rabbet.

    When in fact you would have had to develop them from the lofting, something like this:
    Fair the sections.
    Fair in the rabbet in profile.
    Pick up the faired heights for the rabbet from the profile and bring them over to the stations.
    Intersect and pick up the widths for the rabbet.
    Plot the rabbet in plan and check if fair

    Looking at the lines, the actual difference in width between rabbet and top of keel seems to be quite small, because the keel is faired in and there is a pronounced wineglass section shape. So I my guess is Atkin didn't plot both lines in plan because they would have been difficult to tell apart, it would have made the development of the lines much harder and wouldn't have made the hull any fairer.

    On the other hand if the rabbet is fair in profile and the hull is fair over all, once you intersect the two, the three dimensional rabbet can't help but be a fair line.

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    I had the pleasure of stopping by this boat shop a couple weeks ago ... might better be described as a boatyard actually considering there is another large sailing vessel sitting on the hard also. It was the day of the first framing and there was quite a crowd on hand! Anyhow, I came down to take advantage of Steve's kind offer to give away the white oak frame cut-offs which, by the way, is pretty nice tight grained clear wood. So I filled my pickup with to it's load carrying capacity; let's just say the rear tires & leaf springs were fairly compressed. Now I've got two piles of wood in my basement shop that over the next couple of years will be resawn & assembled into the shape of a boat. These piles have been made in anticipation of having to lay low for a few weeks following some back surgery so for the month of Oct all I can do is look at it all but come Nov I will start measuring & sawing.

    Thanks Steve & Alix! I'll be back in touch when I have something worth looking at sitting on the strongback.
    White oak cut-offs.jpg

    White oak end-grain.jpg

    African Mahogany.jpg

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    One man's trash eh? I think I recall part of their offer meant you starting a build thread with whatever you build and keeping us all up to date on what's going on. Your shop looks much too clean for you to be considered trustworthy though. Maybe you should just send that pile of oak my way. My shop clearly indicates my trustworthiness.....

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    Odd Plane gauge1.jpg

    See? Plenty trustworthy/
    If you can see past the work in the foreground, you'll see the mess in the background. Now as soon as you're better and recovered from whatever nastiness the surgeons inflict on you, we hope to see your pile of Arabella offcuts transform into whatever beautiful boat you have planned.
    Cheers,
    Daniel
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    -Henry David Thoreau-

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    A question about the economics of your dental appointment in France. How long are you planning on staying in France?
    My experience with US Dentists and crowns is it’s not a one day fix. There are molds, posts, temporary crowns, labs to mold final crown, fitting, follow up.

    Do French Dentists use a different technique/ technology for crowns that is quicker?
    Really nobody’s dang business but yours about thi, but am just curious.

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    One man's trash eh? I think I recall part of their offer meant you starting a build thread with whatever you build and keeping us all up to date on what's going on. Your shop looks much too clean for you to be considered trustworthy though. Maybe you should just send that pile of oak my way. My shop clearly indicates my trustworthiness.....


    Sailor,
    Yes, indeed I will start a thread when the cutting & shaping begins. Actually that's a bit of a tale ... I've not been following doctor's orders very well and have cut the stem already! Stay tuned.

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    Well follow doctor's orders so you can actually finish the boat. We can wait for that.
    If one advances confidently in the direction of his dreams, and endeavors to live the life which he has imagined, he will meet with a success unexpected in common hours.
    -Henry David Thoreau-

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    Crowns are faster in the US these days than they use to be. They scan your tooth/post, send the image to a CNC/Printer of sorts. It carves the tooth and then they bake it, let it cool and put it in. All while you wait reading a magazine. Pricey though.

    DAMHIKT!
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    The frame steaming video is out:



    We stopped by and had a nice visit with Steve and his grandparents. Alix was away visiting in Maine. What a change since we were there last for the big BBQ! Arabella looks fantastic in frame.
    Last edited by StevenBauer; 10-19-2018 at 09:11 PM.

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    Love the video... but worried about the guys in the red shirts

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoritzSchwarzer View Post
    Hey Steve, you probably have this figured out by now, but I have a theory of what went wrong with the lofting of the rabbet. Now, grain of salt: I haven't built a boat yet, but I've lofted two and ran into a similar problem with a whale strake that had offsets in profile but not in plan.

    Having never seen the offset table, my guess is there is a row with half-breadths for the top of keel and one with heights for the rabbet. And it sounds to me like you used the half breadths for the top of keel as half breaths for the rabbet.

    When in fact you would have had to develop them from the lofting, something like this:
    • Fair the sections.
    • Fair in the rabbet in profile.
    • Pick up the faired heights for the rabbet from the profile and bring them over to the stations.
    • Intersect and pick up the widths for the rabbet.
    • Plot the rabbet in plan and check if fair

    Looking at the lines, the actual difference in width between rabbet and top of keel seems to be quite small, because the keel is faired in and there is a pronounced wineglass section shape. So I my guess is Atkin didn't plot both lines in plan because they would have been difficult to tell apart, it would have made the development of the lines much harder and wouldn't have made the hull any fairer.

    On the other hand if the rabbet is fair in profile and the hull is fair over all, once you intersect the two, the three dimensional rabbet can't help but be a fair line.


    I think you are pretty much spot on.

    After much worry it all seems to be coming together well. We will know for sure after the first couple planks go on!
    ACORN TO ARABELLA
    For additional info on this project:

    www.acorntoarabella.com
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAi...WB1xCp6uuUo0VA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrib View Post
    I had the pleasure of stopping by this boat shop a couple weeks ago ... might better be described as a boatyard actually considering there is another large sailing vessel sitting on the hard also. It was the day of the first framing and there was quite a crowd on hand! Anyhow, I came down to take advantage of Steve's kind offer to give away the white oak frame cut-offs which, by the way, is pretty nice tight grained clear wood. So I filled my pickup with to it's load carrying capacity; let's just say the rear tires & leaf springs were fairly compressed. Now I've got two piles of wood in my basement shop that over the next couple of years will be resawn & assembled into the shape of a boat. These piles have been made in anticipation of having to lay low for a few weeks following some back surgery so for the month of Oct all I can do is look at it all but come Nov I will start measuring & sawing.

    Thanks Steve & Alix! I'll be back in touch when I have something worth looking at sitting on the strongback.
    White oak cut-offs.jpg

    White oak end-grain.jpg

    We will have a close to never ending supply of oak, locust, pine and spruce like this from now until launch. It's all just going into the stove so if someone can use it please touch base. I would bet by launch someone could collect enough to build a day sailor!
    ACORN TO ARABELLA
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arlc View Post
    A question about the economics of your dental appointment in France. How long are you planning on staying in France?
    My experience with US Dentists and crowns is it’s not a one day fix. There are molds, posts, temporary crowns, labs to mold final crown, fitting, follow up.

    Do French Dentists use a different technique/ technology for crowns that is quicker?
    Really nobody’s dang business but yours about thi, but am just curious.

    It's around a 6 day turn around for a crown there, so we were gone for 10 days total including travel.
    If we had to get a hotel it would not have made sense financially but since Alix lived in Paris, has family there and a good friend who is a dentist it made sense for us. It would have been $1,500 for a crown here, it's $600 Euro there. The plane ticket was just over $400. So not a big money saver by any means and we obviously spent money there. But I'd rather drop $2,000 for a trip to Paris and get my tooth fixed than drop $1,500 and stay home! ha! Also
    Xrays were like 8 Euro for simple bite wings and less than $80 for a whole 360* scan. When they told me the prices for those I was like "Hell yeah, get 8 views, I don't care!" it was so much cheaper than here in Massachusetts.

    I don't think it would make much sense to go there just for a crown but if you knew you needed one and wanted to take a vacation to Europe they could go hand in hand.

    It was also hands down, bar none the best dental care I have ever received and from folks I know who have had work done in the EU and in the US they all say they have had their best experience in the EU. I am sure it's not always the case but I was very impressed with the level of care.
    ACORN TO ARABELLA
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    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAi...WB1xCp6uuUo0VA

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    We are obviously back from France. It was a great trip and the first real time off since we started this whole thing just over 3 years ago. It was nice to get away for a little while, guiding in NH was a bit of a break in August but I was still responsible for teenagers on the side of a 600' cliff, you can only relax so much! ha!

    We have been getting ready for winter, that prep should be done in another week at most and the planking and frame screws will ship this week. So we will soon have the frames we bent all bedded and screwed in their homes. Then the stem rabbet and frames followed by the stern and if all goes well hoping to start hanging planks in January.

    It's fantastic to have a boat like object and I am very much looking forward to learning to hang some planks!
    ACORN TO ARABELLA
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    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAi...WB1xCp6uuUo0VA

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    Re: frames,
    Quote Originally Posted by sdenette View Post
    ... screwed in their homes.
    just wondering how this was done. Are floors in or did you sock them to the keel?
    welcome back. (Post a smiley crown pic)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorB View Post
    Re: frames,

    just wondering how this was done. Are floors in or did you sock them to the keel?
    welcome back. (Post a smiley crown pic)

    No floors yet. The frames end in notches in the keel. Each frame heel will get two #18 x 4" bronze screws into the backbone as well as being bolted to the floors that will be drift pinned into the backbone timbers after the planking goes on. Soon I will order the bronze hull strapping as we need that before we can hang any planks. That will get let into and screwed to the back rabbet and let into the frames before planking. The planking rivets will go through the plank, strap and frame. It all should work together to give us a pretty solid hull =) There will be 8 straps total making 4 X's where each mast is located, the straps will go from the back rabbet to the sheer. The deck will also get some strapping, Atkin drew the deck strapping but not the hull strapping.

    Picking up leaves today, it is the price we pay for the nice shade in the summer!

    Should have our "rivet machine" up and running soon. It's functional just not totally set-up for production yet. I am looking forward to showing ya'll that setup! We can press 4 of them at a time. =)
    ACORN TO ARABELLA
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    Looking good! I've been enjoying the build and the videos. I showed some of my coworkers one of your YouTube clips and they are following along as well. Very cool to see...thanks for posting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdenette View Post
    I think you are pretty much spot on.

    After much worry it all seems to be coming together well. We will know for sure after the first couple planks go on!
    Glad to shed some light. A fair line supersedes any measurement, and what you have certainly looks fair in pictures and video. I don't think you'll have any mayor problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdenette View Post
    I have seen a lot of old Oaks in my life but I have yet to see one that could give a 10" x 16" x 22' beam clear of the heart, sap and without huge knots. I wish I knew where to find one that was that big and free for the taking! I''l just have to live with a built up keel.
    Reaching back into history a bit, but why did you want to avoid a built-up keel timber?

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    We seem to be falling behind on the video links.


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    I'm looking forward to hearing about how you guys broke the new hydrolic press.


    The link for the t-shirts with the new logo is: https://www.bonfire.com/acorn-to-ara...stormy-petrel/

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