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  1. #106
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    Another wee video.


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    We gotta be close. "How soon will the plans be available?"
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    I believe that Michael (Storer) is working on the plans right now.

    Some exiting news in respect of the boat: it is now also available with a lug rig (RSS sail, 6.3m2 with 3 reefs). The mast is an aluminium section as for the laminate fathead rigs, the yard and boom are carbon (made from a standard 490cm constant diameter windsurfer mast cut in two - the round in the head has been adjusted to match the bending of the yard).

    I did a raid event with the lug rig and we survived fine. Also paddled the boat a bit with a 280 cm long paddle on a self designed/made kayak style seat. It is easy enough to keep up with the fleet (I did not try to go very fast, but I believe you can easily outpaddle a Seil or Caledonian yawl).

    Still love the boat and hope that the plans will be ready soon so we can see some more of these boats of the water!

    Videos of the lug rig made during the first outing with the rig here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTMnBAXeiIU
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEai8g5I3IQ

  4. #109
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    Some photos:

    DSC00425 by Joost Engelen, on Flickr

    DSC00426 by Joost Engelen, on Flickr

    DSC00427 by Joost Engelen, on Flickr

    DSC00449 by Joost Engelen, on Flickr

    DSC00437 by Joost Engelen, on Flickr

    DSC00450 by Joost Engelen, on Flickr

  5. #110
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    And here a photo of the kayak style paddling seat (used in conjunction with a 280cm long double bladed kayak paddle).

    DSC_0453 by Joost Engelen, on Flickr

  6. #111
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    Same mast step position for the lug rig?
    Someday, I'm going to settle down and be a grumpy old man.

  7. #112
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    Quote Originally Posted by P.I. Stazzer-Newt View Post
    Same mast step position for the lug rig?
    Yes, same mast step position. So the boat is very versatile in use allowing one to easily swap over from one rig to the other one. No changes at all to the hull.

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    Love the seat and the new Lug sail
    what would you say are the positives and negatives of each rig?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tink View Post
    Love the seat and the new Lug sail
    what would you say are the positives and negatives of each rig?
    Positives laminate fathead sails:
    - more powerful and faster
    - more responsive
    - easier to control sailshape (downhaul, vang, outhaul)

    Negatives:
    - there is one reef in both the smaller (4,7m2) and larger (6.0m2) fathead sail, but it is more hassle tying it in, on the water it will be very difficult to do it from the boat
    - virtually impossible to strike the whole rig on the water (luff sleeve sail on the mast)

    Positives lug rig
    - Large sail area (6.3m2) with 3 reefs. Centre of effort lower than on the larger fathead rig
    - Reefs are easy to tie in on the water
    - Easy to strike down the rig on the water
    - Very easy to manage the rig on the water (putting reefs in, striking and setting the mast, etc.)

    Negatives lug rig
    - Less powefull for the size
    - Way softer feeling (also a benefit since it results in much easier handling, see above)
    - Depth in the bottom part is easy to control through an adjustable outhaul as on the fathead rigs, but in the upper part of the sail it is up to the yard to do this (i.e. to bend in gusts and flatten the sail). The sail is very well matched to the yard and does this nicely, but of course with less control as on the fathead sails.

    So in short, for me at least: if wanting speed and a more physical boat the fathead sails are the way to go. If looking for more versatility and the ability to easily put in reefs and strike and set the mast (as often required when touring) the lug rig is much better.

    The hull and foils remain unchanged so it is easy to have 2 different rigs for the boat. Some of the sail controls (sheet, downhaul, halyard) are interchangable. Costs for both rigs is quite similar if wanting a nice adjustable outhaul on the lug rig.

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    Is the fathead sail faster than the lug reaching?

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnw View Post
    Is the fathead sail faster than the lug reaching?
    Yes.

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    Thanks for that Joost
    sounds like a great way of getting two style of boats out of one hull.

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    Default Re: Storer Sailing Canoe

    Is that a sleeve along the head of the lug that accepts the yard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by callsign222 View Post
    Is that a sleeve along the head of the lug that accepts the yard?
    It is easier to tell looking at the photos at original size:

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/370841...52286/sizes/o/

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/370841...08820/sizes/o/

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/370841...97723/sizes/o/

  15. #120
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    Quote Originally Posted by callsign222 View Post
    Is that a sleeve along the head of the lug that accepts the yard?
    No sleeve along the head accepting the yard but laced on the traditional way. There is some light grey leather on the yard (also on the boom btw) that may have given you the impression of a sleeve?

    The sail is loose footed and I have rigged a 1:4 outhaul with a preset maximum depth of the sail. This outhaul also works for the reefs as I have tied in rope loops giving the same foot length as for the full sail area. 1:3 downhaul and the halyard is rigged as on most Goat Island Skiffs (so the halyard keeps the yard to the mast and there is no separate ring), which you are familiar with.

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