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    Marrison Hydraulics in Murwillumbah sell empty 200 litre oil drums for $10 each Tom.
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    Thanks Peter will look at those when the time comes.

    Finnally found some time to tidy up the stern of WB where I recently removed the Fleming windvane .
    Removing a wooden support for the stainless Vane tubes and adjacent plywood mounting pads I found a number of holes drilled through the deck for various wires and antennas by previous owners which has had some water seeping into the aft locker.

    Fortunatley there was only minimal deck damage due to the high quality 40 year old plywood on WB.
    Installed a quick 250x80mm scarf and fiberglass patch fitted just hours before the rain started. While down there I also managed to tidy up several wires drilling a 12 mm hole in the hatch frame just above deck level and sealing it with a Sitka plug.

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    Wee Barkie's lannual haul out , two coats of antifoul despite the late afternoon haul out and the threatening rain clouds.
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    Tools down.
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    Beautiful hull. Sunset too.

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    She's a sweet wee thing, very Harrison Butler inspired I'd say.
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    Thanks Thad ,Peter ,happy to report WB is back in her elements . I managed to sand and paint the top sides today and it was only with the help of a friend that we managed to finish this 25 hour haul out.


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    Good job!

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    While re fitting my newly manufactured key way connecting the shaft to the flange that connects to the transmission and then lock tightening the hell out of the bronze nut holding it all together I realised the specialty tool required has always been aboard.
    Duhh the stainless two pronged handled multipurpose tool has only ever been used for opening my fuel and water tanks.

    Interesting to note that after four years of WB stewardship I am hopefully aproaching the turning point of the problems associated with the transmission ,engine , fuel system ,alignment and shaft key way, all which where solved without the help of trades or experts .
    These various individuals working on WB where the cause of most of these dilemmas either lacking knowledge but mostly exhibiting careless and indifferent attitudes.

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    Here's hoping you're over that hump Tom!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    Here's hoping you're over that hump Tom!
    Looks like I am but another one just surfaced in the form of a leaking fuel tank.

    And since that is obviously not enough work I am once again toying with the idea of converting WB back to a Gaffer.

    Just rough finished a bird spar sample with a finished diameter of 125 mm using 50 x35 mm pine. The finished spar length will be 28’-29’ have four shrouds the furling inner stay the outer wire stay and the runners. The runners and shrouds will be parceled dyneema in order to keep weight aloft down to a minimum.

    I would appreciate feed back on my proposal.

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    This freebie find of Sitka spruce just from my neibourhood may just come in handy for a boom and yard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by auscruisertom View Post
    Looks like I am but another one just surfaced in the form of a leaking fuel tank.

    And since that is obviously not enough work I am once again toying with the idea of converting WB back to a Gaffer.

    Just rough finished a bird spar sample with a finished diameter of 125 mm using 50 x35 mm pine. The finished spar length will be 28’-29’ have four shrouds the furling inner stay the outer wire stay and the runners. The runners and shrouds will be parceled dyneema in order to keep weight aloft down to a minimum.

    I would appreciate feed back on my proposal.

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    I don't think you can expect a long life from construction grade pine Tom, but it will work and the investment is reasonable.
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    Might be worth giving these guys a call for some Oregon Tom, these planks in the foreground don’t look any good for a mast but those narrower ones in the background may
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    No image or link Greg .
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    This place has very good fir at the best prices I've found in SE Qld. https://www.thatoregonplace.com.au/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larks View Post
    Might be worth giving these guys a call for some Oregon Tom, these planks in the foreground don’t look any good for a mast but those narrower ones in the background may
    I agree I am hoping to run them through the thicknesser at the Carpenter workshop in order to assess the quality. I will hopefully get a boom and yard out of that lot.
    Greg Who do you recommend for the spar timber and what would be the prefered length to use.

    Peter I am planning to use Oregon if I can find it for the right price.

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    The place I linked to is worth a visit to assess their quality, it's Canadian and the best I've seen but not fully dry. They have oregon logs in their yard and a big bandsaw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larks View Post
    Might be worth giving these guys a call for some Oregon Tom, these planks in the foreground don’t look any good for a mast but those narrower ones in the background may
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    No image or link Greg .

    sorry, try this

    https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/moor...ams/1117572776

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    Sounds like a good plan Tom. Find a sailmaker who knows what a gaff is and get a quote before you get in too deep though.

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    I think it's a good idea Tom! As the guys are indicating, go for top grade timber for your mast. It has to stand up to weather 24/7 so if it's not top quality, the investment will be wasted. I also suggest you contact one of the suppliers who regular supply timber boat builders. The only one I know is in Sydney - Anagote Timber but there'd be someone up there.

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    Going with a topsail, or just a gaff main? Increasing her sail area? How high do you intend to peak the gaff? If no topsail, probably the closer to vertical the better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by auscruisertom View Post
    Looks like I am but another one just surfaced in the form of a leaking fuel tank.

    And since that is obviously not enough work I am once again toying with the idea of converting WB back to a Gaffer.

    Just rough finished a bird spar sample with a finished diameter of 125 mm using 50 x35 mm pine. The finished spar length will be 28’-29’ have four shrouds the furling inner stay the outer wire stay and the runners. The runners and shrouds will be parceled dyneema in order to keep weight aloft down to a minimum.

    I would appreciate feed back on my proposal.

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    I think you need to work a bit on your birdsmouth method a bit, to be honest. I'm seeing some pretty big gaps in your glue lines. I'm not saying I could do better, just that I wouldn't be too happy with mast looking like that.

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    Big hose clamps from Bunnies are the way to squeeze those gaps out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
    I think you need to work a bit on your birdsmouth method a bit, to be honest. I'm seeing some pretty big gaps in your glue lines. I'm not saying I could do better, just that I wouldn't be too happy with mast looking like that.
    Thickened epoxy is your friend, it worked for mine.
    Mine is free standing and I've put a bit of pressure on it a couple of times without any sign of failure.
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    Happy Birthday Tom !!
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    Thanks Peter for the link and birthday wish, our family had a double celebration today since our property also settled and presently recovering from another bottomless brunch at the casino.

    Greg I am aware of the Peters ice cream Oregon let me know if you want to take a drive up to Brisy with me if your around.

    Phil the birds mouth experiment was glue starved and my table saw readjusted while cutting resulting in those two minor gaps.
    I will be looking for a high performance gaff sail probably with a high peak depending on advice given by the experts the size will be acording to my original sail plan,which did not include a top sail.

    Rick I agree with using premium Oregon depending on the final costing.

    I have also also sourced a quality gaff boom and mast complete with bronze fittings down in Lakes Entrance which I will also have to consider. Although my concern is weight aloft which may increase WB lively downwind motion and a solid spar might also hamper overall performance.? What says the panel?

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    A bit of weight aloft may actually dampen her movement, slow it down a bit. Otherwise I guess you're looking for a carbon fibre spar.

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    I agree with Phil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
    A bit of weight aloft may actually dampen her movement, slow it down a bit. Otherwise I guess you're looking for a carbon fibre spar.
    Thanks for that feedback .
    My thoughts on less weight aloft ultimately come back to WB quick motion when sailing down wind which I would hope might improve with a shorter and lighter rig , this is an important issue for me and I would appreciate all feedback.

    Also to have the ability to carry more sail longer which the Gaff rig is known for by lowering the centre of gravity.

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    Yes if the problem is a quick jerky motion, more weight aloft would help. She was perhaps designed with a solid, heavy, timber gaff rig, which has been changed out to lightweight alloy? I don't know if it's feasible, but it would almost be worth hoisting a weight aloft to see how it changes things, but it would need to be very secure. I can't really see how you'd do that. She may roll further with a heavier rig, but a slower, gentler motion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
    Yes if the problem is a quick jerky motion, more weight aloft would help. She was perhaps designed with a solid, heavy, timber gaff rig, which has been changed out to lightweight alloy? I don't know if it's feasible, but it would almost be worth hoisting a weight aloft to see how it changes things, but it would need to be very secure. I can't really see how you'd do that. She may roll further with a heavier rig, but a slower, gentler motion.
    Getting weight aloft is easy however finding someone to climb the mast for those sea trials will be the hard part.

    I certainly won’t be volunteering with the memory of climbing the mast steps of my Pacific Seacraft in order to retrieve a halyard while racing when Havalah started going over. My crew crew swore later they never saw my shoes touch any mast steps during my retreat.

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    Just received the estimate for WB spar timber 75x38 mm in Sitka 27.80 per LM with a price of just over 2000.00 while in Oregon add another 300 to the above price. Well that ain’t gonna happen. Now to work out what the difference is between Sitka and Oregon ? I always thought they where the same.

    If I would have held on to my Gulf Island waterfront I would have just chopped one down in the back yard or else beachcombed one already de barked log of Gabriola Is.

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    I always thought Sitka spruce was superior for spars, and Oregon was the poor mans substitute.

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