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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    ^ Make sure that the air intake comes from outside the boat, that is a major source of noise especially if no air filter is fitted.

    Good point - thanks Nick. My thought at this point is to run a duct up the outside of the aft bulkhead to a funnel on the pilothouse top. Somewhat like the ones on Snoose although a bit larger since I'll only have one on the port side (no room on the starboard side).



    I can run it down through the deck to an inlet at the base of the bulkhead. There should be ample opportunities for baffling in that design. Petrel actually had something like that already but it was just PVC pipe with no baffling. I removed it when I started on the cabin paint.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psuggmog View Post
    About thirty years ago I helped modify and enlarge the rudder on the 96 foot Ted Geary designed fantail yacht the Canim. She had a fan shaped rudder which we changed to a more rectangular shape, with a rounded leading edge, a partial foil shaped cross section and a flared, widened trailing edge. .
    Like this
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    Becker Schilling fish tail high lift
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    ^^^ I'm now adding "Becker Schilling Fish Tail" to my list of names for the indie-electro-funk band that I will never actually start....
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    ^ Sounds more like a dance step.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    And now I think that Nick has a secret career as a ballroom dancer...
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    Quote Originally Posted by cstevens View Post


    And now I think that Nick has a secret career as a ballroom dancer...
    Nope, just a very looooong memory of trying to misspend my youth.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    ^ Rebel without a tux?
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    Chris how's bout pipe in a pipe exhaust & intake? It would give you a couple of advantage's.. picture is obviously in plastic but just for the concept I don't know if it's practical for a diesel engine

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    ^^^ Well, a typical dry stack is sort of the same idea Denise. There is an air gap around the outside of the exhaust but it's generally used for air extraction not intake, as the heat of the exhaust creates a chimney effect. The air movement helps cool the engine compartment and the stack.

    Some progress on Petrel, and a bit of a milestone reached today. Mark got the bad planks removed:





    and with them went this little gem:



    When I was first trying to get Petrel ready to go in the water back in 2015 I filled some rather large holes in the planking with epoxy where I dug out rot. The worst of these offenses was this section, which included a plywood backing patch in addition to the filler. It was always meant to be temporary but it has lasted rather longer than I had planned so I'm very happy to see it go away!
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    It was only me thinking what my fingertips Chris. Good to see see progress being made! Kind of sad seeing those planks ripped out!

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    Altho never a welcome sight, replacing planks in an area like that is relatively easy. Wooden boats are all just replaceable parts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeniseO30 View Post
    It was only me thinking what my fingertips Chris. Good to see see progress being made! Kind of sad seeing those planks ripped out!

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    Altho never a welcome sight, replacing planks in an area like that is relatively easy. Wooden boats are all just replaceable parts.
    I don't love seeing Petrel with a big hole in her, but I am so very happy to have this work finally in progress. With these repairs made I think I can consider the Petrel restoration project a success. Not complete by any means - the list of projects still to do runs to several pages - but the rest of the work will done as improvements to a working boat rather than remedial efforts to bring her back to life.
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    Sorry Chris.. "removed" would have been a less painful word then "ripped" What wood is she planked in? I know it was mentioned somewhere on the back pages.

    I've been amazed at how noisy diesel intakes are

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    ^^ Ripped is pretty accurate Denise. Mark was going at it with a pry bar and a circular saw when I showed up yesterday. But it's not painful to see bad wood taken out and good wood going in. It looks like Petrel was originally planked with WRC but I think Mark is planning on AYC for the new planks. White oak for the frames.
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    Just went by and looked at your boat. It's got a hole in the side.

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    ^ Not for long I hope. Mark was planning to start planking today I think. Going in the water on Monday.
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    Another good news item for Petrel - I just found her a covered slip for the winter at McGinnis. So no more fussing with tents and tarps. And McGinnis has been sold and is now being managed by the same people who run Sagstad. They were down there clearing out all the derelict boats when I went by today. It's never going to be posh but it's a roof to keep the rain off while I finish up the exterior work and get ready for Petrel's eventual relocation to Shilshole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cstevens View Post
    Another good news item for Petrel - I just found her a covered slip for the winter at McGinnis. So no more fussing with tents and tarps. And McGinnis has been sold and is now being managed by the same people who run Sagstad. They were down there clearing out all the derelict boats when I went by today. It's never going to be posh but it's a roof to keep the rain off while I finish up the exterior work and get ready for Petrel's eventual relocation to Shilshole.
    Good for you Chris! I was out that way about 2 years ago.. I rained 5 out of 7 days and 6 nights!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeniseO30 View Post
    Good for you Chris! I was out that way about 2 years ago.. I rained 5 out of 7 days and 6 nights!
    Last winter we had something like 140 days of rain between October and April. I'll be happy to have Petrel under a cover starting around November I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cstevens View Post
    Another good news item for Petrel - I just found her a covered slip for the winter at McGinnis. So no more fussing with tents and tarps. And McGinnis has been sold and is now being managed by the same people who run Sagstad. They were down there clearing out all the derelict boats when I went by today. It's never going to be posh but it's a roof to keep the rain off while I finish up the exterior work and get ready for Petrel's eventual relocation to Shilshole.
    Thats awesome! Covered moorage will allow the boat to dry out a bit and allow you to work the relative comfort!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Powerwagon View Post
    Thats awesome! Covered moorage will allow the boat to dry out a bit and allow you to work the relative comfort!
    Yes. Exactly. After last winter under the tent I'm looking forward to being able to work without having to navigate around uprights, bows, guy lines, tarps and the rest of that whole contraption.

    More progress today. Petrel now has a bunch of new frames.







    She's looking a little snaggle-toothed with all the shorties and sisters but it's still a big improvement. Mark went beyond my original ask to just replace two frames that were completely gone as there were some other issues like loose frames and at least one completely broken. It will end up costing a little more than I had planned but it's worth doing now so I don't mind.

    And a couple of gratuitous shots of Petrel in the sunset just because:





    (She definitely does not look as good as that in person - she needs a bath!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by cstevens View Post
    Yes. Exactly. After last winter under the tent I'm looking forward to being able to work without having to navigate around uprights, bows, guy lines, tarps and the rest of that whole contraption.

    More progress today. Petrel now has a bunch of new frames.







    She's looking a little snaggle-toothed with all the shorties and sisters but it's still a big improvement. Mark went beyond my original ask to just replace two frames that were completely gone as there were some other issues like loose frames and at least one completely broken. It will end up costing a little more than I had planned but it's worth doing now so I don't mind.

    And a couple of gratuitous shots of Petrel in the sunset just because:





    (She definitely does not look as good as that in person - she needs a bath!)
    Wow, just wow Chris you apparently found a reliable and on the job Carpenter. Back here in the East it would take somebody 10 years to even start working on a wooden boat except maybe up in Maine,. Good to see Petrel's holding her nose up high (bow) during the improvements and repairs!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeniseO30 View Post
    Wow, just wow Chris you apparently found a reliable and on the job Carpenter. Back here in the East it would take somebody 10 years to even start working on a wooden boat except maybe up in Maine,. Good to see Petrel's holding her nose up high (bow) during the improvements and repairs!

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    Thanks! We are definitely a bit spoiled out here for wooden boat resources but I think I got lucky. Mark is one of the best shipwrights in Seattle and certainly the most experienced caulker. I've known him for years and he happened to have a window available when I called. At first I was just going to have the garboards recaulked but Mark had time so it made sense to have the plank and frame repairs done as well.
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    looking good. are all the rest of the planks in good shape? what about the shorties and broken pieces, are they going to stay? i guess they don't hurt any thing.

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    looking good. are all the rest of the planks in good shape? what about the shorties and broken pieces, are they going to stay? i guess they don't hurt any thing.

    jim
    The rest of the planks are in better shape than the ones being replaced now, but there are still a few that I intend to replace over time. In particular the planking at the bulwarks is pretty iffy in that same area. But with these repairs I think I can reasonably do a little at a time for the rest of it. As for the frames, I'm not sure yet. I'll know more when I get the aft deck removed and can see what the inside of the bulwarks are like. I know that some of the frame ends are in pretty bad shape as well so part of the aft deck project will probably involve scarfing on new wood at the tops of the original frames to support the bulwarks but I won't know the specifics until I get it all exposed. Once I have the bulwark repairs figured out I may be able to remove some of the old short frames and clean things up there as well.
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    This is wonderful news about your protected place for the winter. And lucky you to not only have found a good shipwright, but one who was available when you urgently needed him and is even replacing these 2 planks. And some frames. Sure, it will cost a bit more then originally planned, but you've got him at the job now and who knows how things might stand in spring next year. By the way: I am still waiting for Albertino to finish my stern (ahem, Tonga's I mean of course!), but one emergency with the fishing-boats chases the next and since April he's constantly working on Saturdays and Sundays too. His poor kids and wife!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dody View Post
    This is wonderful news about your protected place for the winter. And lucky you to not only have found a good shipwright, but one who was available when you urgently needed him and is even replacing these 2 planks. And some frames. Sure, it will cost a bit more then originally planned, but you've got him at the job now and who knows how things might stand in spring next year. By the way: I am still waiting for Albertino to finish my stern (ahem, Tonga's I mean of course!), but one emergency with the fishing-boats chases the next and since April he's constantly working on Saturdays and Sundays too. His poor kids and wife!
    Thanks Dody. It definitely helps that I am not competing with working boats. My Dad has the same problem. He needs to have the transmission rebuilt for his boat in Maine but the lobster boats get priority (as they should) so it's been sitting for a long time.
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    Petrel was a pincushion when I visited this evening:



    Mark is filling all the old fastener holes before planking. An unreasonable number of them. He pulled out iron nails, galvanized screws, stainless screws and bronze screws of various sizes and with square, phillips and standard heads - an archeological map of past repairs.

    And planking stock on the bench ready for shaping.

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    Check out that Lumber!! Here again in the east, except maybe Maine, just getting that Lumber can probably take 10 years lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeniseO30 View Post
    Check out that Lumber!! Here again in the east, except maybe Maine, just getting that Lumber can probably take 10 years lol

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    You can't guess how much I wish I were there, or in Maine Chris!
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    Well, it turns out that the planking stock was actually from Mark's private stash as he didn't find anything suitable at Crosscut. So I may have overstated things a bit on how well-supplied we are out here. But nonetheless, progress. One plank in and roughly faired and the next one being patterned as of knock-off time this evening.





    Getting down to the wire to make a Monday launch though. We'll see how tomorrow goes. I'll help things along where I can - driving plugs and other grunt work.
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    Wow! Mark not wasting any time Chris!

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    Started out this morning cutting plugs...



    ...and driving them while Mark shaped and hung the last plank.





    After getting in as many plugs as I could I moved on to putting seam compound into the garboard seams. And learned something - it's way easier if the seam compound is warm! Seems obvious now, but it's something I never learned. Mark set up a hot plate to keep the compound warm in a water bath. What a difference. It's still not a fun job but not nearly so bad this way.

    The morning started out cloudy and cool but dry. However autumn came back to Seattle in full force while I was under the boat, arriving in its usual way, with the first real rain of the season.



    So we worked for the rest of the afternoon under a steadily increasing rain. I finished the seams. Mark finished hanging the last plank and caulked both of the new planks. Then finally I tapped home the last of the plugs as the light was fading.





    We still have a few things to do before Petrel is ready to go in. Trim the plugs and final fairing of the new planks. Seam compound on the new seams. And paint. We will be back at it in the morning but at this point I don't know if Petrel will be ready to launch tomorrow. She's close though.
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    Good luck Chris! I'm envious of the quick turnaround.
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