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    I recommend ......

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    Peter, if it helps what I did was a dry run with the plank exactly in position and then clamped some stops against "upper edge" on the moulds, then mark lengthways position with some bits of tape. Take plank off, butter it up on the bench, then lift plank and hold it on edge locate against stops and ensure tapes line up, lower into position. I was able to do 22' foot planks on my own like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterWidders View Post
    Tom, I am interested on your idea to increase the height of the sheer plank.....what was behind this??

    More work today: started on the floors for #3 and #6. these will be made from celery top pine.

    While the lines of the Ness boat are aesthetically pleasing the low freeboard amidships had a habit of scooping large volumes of seawater in gusts if you weren't on the ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by auscruisertom View Post
    While the lines of the Ness boat are aesthetically pleasing the low freeboard amidships had a habit of scooping large volumes of seawater in gusts if you weren't on the ball.

    The reason I chose a design with side decks , sorry not a useful suggestion.
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    Thanks Andrew and Peter,
    Actually fitting the first plank on the Whilly Tern was a bit of a doddle compared to an earlier build where I was dealing with 35ft + strips (3/4" x 1 5/8") on the build of our 34 footer. Again, some simple jigs to hold the planks above the glued plank made for a pretty smooth operation, even single handed.
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    Made a start on the bevels on the first of the garboard planks as well as the first gain at the stern of the same garboard. Thanks to Peter Sibley for the idea of the round dowel to get the bevels right.




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    I stole it from WB , published some time in the last 20 years..... not my idea but a good one !
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterWidders View Post
    Thanks Andrew and Peter,
    Actually fitting the first plank on the Whilly Tern was a bit of a doddle compared to an earlier build where I was dealing with 35ft + strips (3/4" x 1 5/8") on the build of our 34 footer. Again, some simple jigs to hold the planks above the glued plank made for a pretty smooth operation, even single handed.
    If you have any photos of that build I'd love to see them Peter.
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    Peter .... Assume you mean of the planking process .....will have to dig out a few pre-digital camera snaps and post them Please let me know some specifics and I will dig them out. Here's one of the completed boat: Chuck Paine design...70 built in UK by Victoria Marine as the Victoria 34. I think we may be the only timber one afloat.

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    Frankly Peter anything. I've never built a strip and veneer hull but the more I learn before I start the better. The design I have in mind is an Albert Strange "Yonne". 26 foot on deck, 4 foot draft.




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    That's a great little ship Peter. Can you send me a pm with your email and I will see what I can dig out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterWidders View Post
    Peter .... Assume you mean of the planking process .....will have to dig out a few pre-digital camera snaps and post them Please let me know some specifics and I will dig them out. Here's one of the completed boat: Chuck Paine design...70 built in UK by Victoria Marine as the Victoria 34. I think we may be the only timber one afloat.

    Lovely lines, do you still own her?

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    Yes .....and coming up to 20ys since we launched her (Feb 1997). The sheerline did it for me very early in the selection process.
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    I've been looking at pictures of other Victoria 34s on Google, a lovely design .
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    Curious do you have special plans are for the Whilly Tern Peter ?

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    Tom - I purchased the plans from NIS Boats in Sth Aust. My understanding is that Iain Oughtred modified the initial design in 2003. Some of my plans have a date of '92 while others have '03.
    Is this what you meant?
    Peter - Yes ...have to agree with you on the design ...not biased at all. We were fortunate to spend some time with Chuck Paine in Jan '89 when we ordered the plans. There was a bit of wrangling with Victoria Marine re selling us the plans, so Chuck updated the keel and rudder and called it a Paine/Widders 34. Also fortunate to get an intro to Morris Yachts where we were able to crawl all over a Brit-built Victoria 34 in the yard for storage. This was before Morris did their own version and called it the Morris 34.
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    Is your's a fin keel or a full keel Peter? I think I've seen a drawing of a full keel version.


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    Peter - ours is a moderate fin keel with a skeg hung rudder. The new keel Chuck Paine did was one of his early Paine bulb/wing keel. It was a development of the Scheel Keel. Draft is about 5ft. Helm balance is exceptional.
    Hopefully this pic shows it all.

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    It does very nicely, a smaller Masina underwater , Rick's lovely boat.



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    Plank 2 (port garboard) went on today and the next plank for the starboard side was cut and scarphed. The gains at each end of the stbd garboard have been a good learning experience. This was one reason for choosing the type of construction over previously completed strip plank or stitch and glue boats.

    No 1 gain not quite done.



    MDF pattern -trial fit.

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    It's fun isn't it Peter ?
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    Absolutely addictive. And thanks for the pic of Masina - another beauty.
    I did have one question about the gains. I have had a good look at your build pages and was wondering about the length of the gains. IO says between 8 and 15 inches depending on plank thickness and size of boat. There are 4 planks per side on the Whilly Tern and planking is 1/4" (6mm). I have been working with small battens and also by eye so far. I was also wondering if the gains start smaller (sheer plank) and progressively get a bit longer working down to planks 2, 3 and 4. Or is each gain of each plank approx the same length. Thoughts?
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    A hard one .... my planking is 9.5mm and I made the gains about 500 long if I remember correctly and all the same.
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    Plank 3 ( no 2 on the starboard side) went on today. A good process with plenty of the peg clamps to hold everything down.
    This shot is of the plank with a thin batten to assist with final clean-up.



    Plank installed.

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    Had an 'oops' moment today. Found that I had missed a chine point on Station 3. Easy fix - just drew up the missing section on the full sized patterns and transferred the missing shape to a piece of 1/2 inch mould ply and glued it on.

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    4th plank (2nd on port side) attached today. Made a better job of cleanup inside on this one.



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    Wide planks = fast progress !
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    [QUOTE=PeterWidders;4952968]Tom - I purchased the plans from NIS Boats in Sth Aust. My understanding is that Iain Oughtred modified the initial design in 2003. Some of my plans have a date of '92 while others have '03.
    Is this what you meant?


    I was thinking more about wether you are planning to sail the Tern independently or combine with your other boats cruising plans.

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    Tom - sailing plans are for mostly solo sailing (with a crewmember at times) . Maybe some sailing in company - depends who is around at the time.
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    Pattern for plank 5 made today. This is number 3 (of 4) on the starboard side. Plank also cut and scarphed ready to attach tomorrow.

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    A boat-like object is beginning to appear. Plank No 3 on the starboard side (5th of 8 ) was attached today.

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    Great progress! Looking more like a boat.

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    Looking good Peter.

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    Your build is really nice so far. Bringing back good memories. I built a Whilly Boat recently, and have been enjoying her immensely this summer.
    Here's my build thread http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthre...+build+in+prov

    Yours is looking much neater than mine though! Keep up the good work.

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    Thanks Graeme, Tom and Mike.
    Mike - I have seen both of your threads( Whiily Tern and Ilur) and enjoyed them both. Always good to see how others have done it/are doing it.
    Keep the pics coming.
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    More work today with the next plank glued up on the floor. This is #3 on the port side. Also started bevelling the 3rd plank on the starboard side and cutting the gains at bow and stern.

    A view 'midships - plank 3 stbd side:



    Here's a view from closer to the bow:


    And here's the gain at the bow:



    The plan is to finish the outside of the last plank on each side with a clear coating, with the last 2 planks inside with the same clear coating (poly varnish on clear epoxy.
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    A bit more work in the last few days: last plank on the starboard side is getting ready to go. Dry fitting at the moment.

    Stern section of the plank shown here before sheeline was cut.



    Another inside shot showing seams and the 'fail' on clean-up of the garboard glue line.

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    I see you're doing your scarfs on the boat , how do you find that ? Easy ? I wasn't game and made the full length planks on the bench first.I found a heat gun and scraper made cleaning up runs very easy.Good going Peter.
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    Thanks Peter. Actually to date all scarfs have been done off the boat - I am tossing up whether I will have a go 'on the boat' with the last 2: possibly not as they join on mould 4 - an area of high curvature and therefore stress . Also I want to get the scarf as spot-on as possible as both sides will be clear finished. Probably stick with joining on the floor with a board under the join area and good visibility of the outer side of the finished join.
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    That's what I did, it seems much more satisfactory and guaranteed to give a good result. I frankly can't see how I could get a good job on the boat !!
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    2nd last plank glued on today. The scarph turned out well both on the inside and outside of this plank which will be clear finished on both sides.

    Scarph cleaned up.


    Bow view.



    Stern.

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    You're moving along quickly Peter.
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    Nice milestone - the last of 8 planks went on today. When I was building the 34 ftr the 'good oil' was that the hull was 25% of the job done. I suspect this may still apply with this one.

    Here's a pic of the bow showing the plank. Access to this side became increasingly tight with ply stored alongside.

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    Well done Peter. Only 25%, Geez I reckon at times it feels like 50. Or is that wishful thinking.

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    The hull planked is certainly a milestone, whatever the percentage .
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    Recent work has included getting the sheer planks trimmed at bow and stern, as well as in between. Also cleaning up the planking lines: a bit to do on this part - no matter how much you try to fair them off the boat, there is still lining-off to be done once they are on the boat. A job today was to create a newspaper pattern for the 'glass cloth to be laid on the garboard planks. This will be continuous across the boat and have the keel and stems installed after glassing.

    Rough taping of the newspaper pattern


    Pattern cut to size.

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    How come you're not just laying glass on Peter? Then just wet out, wait for it to get firm then run a sharp stanley knife around it. Way easier

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrewpatrol View Post
    How come you're not just laying glass on Peter? Then just wet out, wait for it to get firm then run a sharp stanley knife around it. Way easier
    Dont you end up cutting into the ply that way?

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    If I were doing this I think I would just take the glass up to the lap line and trim it off there.
    The hull is looking great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imagineero View Post
    Dont you end up cutting into the ply that way?
    Yes there is that risk, but if you use a light touch and keep a slight pull on waste side of cloth it comes away pretty easily. you have to keep trying for that timing of when the epoxy is at the correct stage of drying. keep replacing blade when it gets gunked/blunt = frequently.

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