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    It's better to have a conscience then none at all. It separates man from the other creatures with a few exceptions apparently. I'd ask"How do you live with yourself?" but, you answered that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S.V. Airlie View Post
    It's better to have a conscience then none at all. It separates man from the other creatures with a few exceptions apparently. I'd ask"How do you live with yourself?" but, you answered that.
    Do you need to be the wart near my rectum in every reply?

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    Oh, I thought that was your brain, hard to tell the difference! Sorry!As so many have put you in your place here more than a few times, I'm glad you have singled me out. I feel so very special with the attention you give me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by S.V. Airlie View Post
    Oh, I thought that was your brain, hard to tell the difference! Sorry!As so many have put you in your place here more than a few times, I'm glad you have singled me out. I feel so very special with the attention you give me!
    There is no one here that put me in my place, there are people that disagree with my opinion and theirs is welcomed.

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    And you disagree with me, case closed. Thanks for proving my point and yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delecta View Post
    Do you need to be the wart near my rectum in every reply?

    Nice...

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    Quote Originally Posted by delecta View Post
    Some people need to die.
    Have YOU ever killed anyone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by John of Phoenix View Post
    Have YOU ever killed anyone?
    Paid for an abortion.

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    Hardship for the girl I'm sure and I bet she suffered for it. But for a male, how much of a big do for you?A male is often pretty casual about this being just a sperm donor!

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    Quote Originally Posted by delecta View Post
    Paid for an abortion.
    Did it have any impact on you?
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    He must be thinking this over. Good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by delecta View Post
    ....smoking gun so to speak.
    bad analogy.
    the smoking gun is circumstantial evidence. The witness doesn't see the defendant shoot the victim. He only sees the him holding a smoking gun and the victim dead on the floor.
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    Well, she saw him with a gun, just hang him high, don't bother with a trial!

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    Quote Originally Posted by delecta View Post
    So what is wrong with that? People die, fact of life. I think you need to move past the dying part. Just think of it as a transformation of energy.
    I see now why some here have no problem with "collateral damage".
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    27 years in prison for a crime he didn't commit. The death penalty is no solution.
    http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/wrongfu...bars-1.2541310
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    Quote Originally Posted by John of Phoenix View Post
    He must be thinking this over. Good.
    He's obviously virtue signaling in the OP, but then he made some mistakes in his defense, and now is frantically trying to save face. SB should have been all over him about it but he's on the wrong team to have to face the bloviator, proving his own blatant virtue signaling in everything else he's offered here by his lack of action with our dear Delecta, bless is heart.
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    Yesterday was the 40th anniversary of the arrest of David Berkowitz, the "Son of Sam" murderer (link). Mr. Berkowitz was arrested after a year plus long rampage where he shot people, usually in parked cars late at night, at random. Allegedly, he was commanded by a 1000 year old man talking through a Labrador Retriever owned by a neighbor whose first name was Sam.

    He was caught when his vehicle received a parking ticket near the scene of a July 31, 1977 murder. He was arrested as he strolled towards the car which had the murder weapon, in plain view, in the back seat.

    Similarly, Charles Manson and his minions were, in 1969, caught virtually red-handed and arrested.

    Mr. Manson has now spent over 48 years as a government charge. Mr. Berkowitz has been in New York State prison for exactly 40 years. Neither Mr. Manson and his followers, or Mr. Berkowitz have any hope of release. They will not contribute to society.

    I know we can't officially allow police officers to serve as judge, jury and executioners. The question I have is why more of these people don't perish during a struggle during arrest. Failing that why aren't they mixed with the general prison population or die during an escape attempt? I am not amused by the lengthy imprisonments or, in the case of Manson, the wild, theatrical trials that make a mockery of the court system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CWSmith View Post
    The death sentence has never been effective regardless of how it is administered.

    I am perfectly happy with caging the beasts. We must be better than them.
    Yes, just wish it wasn't so expensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Dryfoot View Post
    27 years in prison for a crime he didn't commit. The death penalty is no solution.
    http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/wrongfu...bars-1.2541310
    This remains the best reason against the death penalty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by CWSmith View Post
    The death sentence has never been effective regardless of how it is administered.

    I am perfectly happy with caging the beasts. We must be better than them.
    Yes, just wish it wasn't so expensive.
    Either takes ridiculously long and is expensive. That is why I mentioned a few posts above extrajudicial alternatives.

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    I don't like the death penalty
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    Yep. Kill them. Like a rotting piece of boat structure, they should be removed and destroyed. It's not about deterrence or revenge, it's that there's simply no point in saving them for posterity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breakaway View Post
    Yep. Kill them. Like a rotting piece of boat structure, they should be removed and destroyed. It's not about deterrence or revenge, it's that there's simply no point in saving them for posterity.

    Kevin
    Yes. Why preserve a Charles Manson till the end of time? Ditto Son of Sam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breakaway View Post
    Yep. Kill them. Like a rotting piece of boat structure, they should be removed and destroyed. It's not about deterrence or revenge, it's that there's simply no point in saving them for posterity.

    Kevin
    Quote Originally Posted by jbgusa View Post
    Yes. Why preserve a Charles Manson till the end of time? Ditto Son of Sam.
    So, you both really do want to lower yourselves to their low standards? OK
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbgusa View Post
    Yes. Why preserve a Charles Manson till the end of time? Ditto Son of Sam.
    In those specific cases we can probably all agree. My objection to the death penalty isn't to protect that sort of trash, rather to prevent an warranted/unmerited execution.

    I am convinced that we are not infallible in respect to proof of guilt or innocence and I offer as proof the fact that we have continuing issues with miscarriages of justice.
    LINK

    If there were a practical way to separate those who are truly guilty from those who have simply been convicted, I could possibly support the death sentence. However, I don't believe we have those means so for the time being, I believe there is greater harm in the risk of executing an innocent person as opposed to the cost of incarcerating the guilty.

    I believe incarceration for life can act about as forcefully to deter crime as the threat of death. In fact neither can prevent violent crimes. We've been executing criminals for millennia and we still keep cranking them out. There is no easy or right answer, but there are lots of wrong ones, and a singular execution of an innocent man is a greater crime in my mind than the benefits returned from a righteous decision to execute a hundred guilty people. And, in at least some percentage of cases (Timothy McVeigh comes to mind) the creeps would rather be executed than live out their lives in prison.

    I can see your point, trust you can see mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lew Barrett View Post
    In those specific cases we can probably all agree. .
    Erm, no. I do not want my government to kill in my name.
    I believe incarceration for life can act about as forcefully to deter crime as the threat of death. In fact neither can prevent violent crimes. We've been executing criminals for millennia and we still keep cranking them out.
    Just so. If it don't work why kill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    Erm, no. I do not want my government to kill in my name.

    Just so. If it don't work why kill.
    the answer to that is the warm fuzzy one gets from revenge
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    An easier "cure" to this problem......................merely put the diddlers and rapists in general population, that would solve the worry of official executions, huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    Erm, no. I do not want my government to kill in my name.
    .

    Well then, we don't all agree despite the qualifier "probably" which should have allowed for your specific objection. For example, I'd have no real problem with losing Manson as a singular, unique event but I object to using the death penalty given the reasons I already detailed. I favor solitary for a certain class of unquestioned cases but you might find that cruel and unusual. So be it. Everybody who objects to sanctioned killing has their own reasons but I find mine are practical enough to suit me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lew Barrett View Post
    Well then, we don't all agree despite the qualifier "probably" which should have allowed for your specific objection. For example, I'd have no real problem with losing Manson as a singular, unique event but I object to using the death penalty given the reasons I already detailed. I favor solitary for a certain class of unquestioned cases but you might find that cruel and unusual. So be it. Everybody who objects to sanctioned killing has their own reasons but I find mine are practical enough to suit me.
    Seems to me that you are clinging by your toenails to the lip of a slippery slope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jbgusa View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Breakaway View Post
    Yep. Kill them. Like a rotting piece of boat structure, they should be removed and destroyed. It's not about deterrence or revenge, it's that there's simply no point in saving them for posterity.

    Kevin
    Yes. Why preserve a Charles Manson till the end of time? Ditto Son of Sam.
    So, you both really do want to lower yourselves to their low standards? OK
    Slogans rather than thought. Quite frankly we as a society cannot tolerate their behavior. There must be lines that cannot be crossed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbgusa View Post
    Slogans rather than thought. Quite frankly we as a society cannot tolerate their behavior. There must be lines that cannot be crossed.
    You got a mirror? have a look in it.

    Think on this basic principle: If society condemns killing, is it not hypocritical for society to kill?
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    This remains ..... at least an innocent man can be released.

    Originally Posted by Old Dryfoot
    27 years in prison for a crime he didn't commit. The death penalty is no solution.
    http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/wrongfu...bars-1.2541310



    This remains the best reason against the death penalty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post

    Think on this basic principle: If society condemns killing, is it not hypocritical for society to kill?
    'If' is the big word here PM...I'm not at all sure society condemns killing in the slightest.... a significant proportion of society has serious doubts, even absolute belief in that principle, but I bet more people tacitly agree with a concept that sometimes killing is justified. War is the obvious example.
    And if that is the case its a short step to allowing the death penalty.

    laws were originally written as a guidance, not an absolute. You shouldn't steal, you shouldn't kill, but hey its a free country, go ahead and do you what you want, but don't kvetch about it when the result of your behaviour slips its collar and bites back.

    Revenge doesn't come into it, nor deterrent. punishment is punishment whether its an oubliette or a noose.
    I favour the oubliette/ total solitary/bread and water with the addition of providing the incarcerated with a loaded pistol.
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    You have some perverse ideas.
    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy View Post

    laws were originally written as a guidance, not an absolute. You shouldn't steal, you shouldn't kill, but hey its a free country, go ahead and do you what you want, but don't kvetch about it when the result of your behaviour slips its collar and bites back.

    Revenge doesn't come into it, nor deterrent. punishment is punishment whether its an oubliette or a noose.
    I favour the oubliette/ total solitary/bread and water with the addition of providing the incarcerated with a loaded pistol.
    Laws are absolute, not guidance that may be ignored if you feel like it.

    The whole idea of punishment is that it should deter, or why bother. If you are not trying to deter, punishment is revenge.
    Incarceration should serve three purposes, we try for three, dunno whether the US does.
    The three are:
    • Deterrent - you do that, you will pay a price.
    • Protecting society by taking the criminal out of circulation.
    • Rehabilitation, by providing education, social support during probation after release and so on.

    Then there is this
    Originally Posted by Old Dryfoot
    27 years in prison for a crime he didn't commit. The death penalty is no solution.
    http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/wrongfu...bars-1.2541310
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