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    Default Do you think building a wall will help reduce the drug violence in the US?

    One major aspect of building a wall along the US Mexican boarder is to help reduce the illegal drug trade into the US.
    I think this will help reduce the drug related violence in the US.

    What do you think?

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    I think "The Wall" is a fantasy of a deranged mind.

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    I consider it to be possibly the dumbest idea that any candidate EVER proposed. It's stupidity, and ignorance of fact and reality, is utterly unparalleled in the history of candidate promises.
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    Title: DEA: Most Illegal Drugs Enter via Mexico, Cartels Greatest Criminal Threat to U.S.
    The Obama administration keeps reassuring Americans that the southern border is secure yet the overwhelming majority of illegal drugs in the United States come from Mexico and Mexican traffickers remain the greatest criminal threat to the United States.
    This is nothing new and has been well documented for years in a variety of government audits, but the latest report, released this month by the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA), comes as the administration insists the Mexican border is secure. How secure could it possibly be when Mexican cartels—classified as Transitional Criminal Organizations (TCOs) by the government—have for years smuggled in enormous quantities of heroin, cocaine, methamphetamine and marijuana? In fact, the DEA’s 2015 National Drug Threat Assessment reveals that Mexican cartels are in a class of their own, that “no other group can challenge them in the near term.”
    Link: http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/20...threat-to-u-s/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norman Bernstein View Post
    I consider it to be possibly the dumbest idea that any candidate EVER proposed. It's stupidity, and ignorance of fact and reality, is utterly unparalleled in the history of candidate promises.
    And the Don-oids gobble it up as if they were stupid and ignorant. What's scary is that they reproduce and vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genglandoh View Post
    Title: DEA: Most Illegal Drugs Enter via Mexico, Cartels Greatest Criminal Threat to U.S.
    The Obama administration keeps reassuring Americans that the southern border is secure yet the overwhelming majority of illegal drugs in the United States come from Mexico and Mexican traffickers remain the greatest criminal threat to the United States.
    This is nothing new and has been well documented for years in a variety of government audits, but the latest report, released this month by the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA), comes as the administration insists the Mexican border is secure. How secure could it possibly be when Mexican cartels—classified as Transitional Criminal Organizations (TCOs) by the government—have for years smuggled in enormous quantities of heroin, cocaine, methamphetamine and marijuana? In fact, the DEA’s 2015 National Drug Threat Assessment reveals that Mexican cartels are in a class of their own, that “no other group can challenge them in the near term.”
    Link: http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/20...threat-to-u-s/
    How did morphine come into the U.S. when 80% was grown in Afghanistan, occupied by U.S. troops? When they make a meth bust at the border with Canada, it usually is a semi truck or two. They have to cross a river a half-mile wide. No fence or wall. Funny how the stuff seems to get through. Might also note that Australia is the number one source of opiate production. How about a wall in the Pacific?
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    When the Trumpoids build a fence from sea to shining sea will they be surprised when the evil drug smugglers hop into their boats and do end-runs around the fences.

    Wouldn't it be simpler and more effective to decriminalize the drugs in question, thereby removing the profits of the smuggling trade?

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    Quote Originally Posted by genglandoh View Post
    One major aspect of building a wall along the US Mexican boarder is to help reduce the illegal drug trade into the US.
    I think this will help reduce the drug related violence in the US.

    What do you think?
    The way to reduce the violence is to have the US Government provide all the recreational drugs to the druggies, and would be druggies free, as much as they want. In less than one year, no more problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genglandoh View Post
    One major aspect of building a wall along the US Mexican boarder is to help reduce the illegal drug trade into the US.
    I think this will help reduce the drug related violence in the US.

    What do you think?
    the wall is a concept. The concepts purpose is to inform Mexico...you protect americas southern border or we will make life difficult for you
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    Drug violence will be reduced when the War on Drugs is recognized for the failure it is and is abandoned. Donald's wall is just another figment of his imagination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slug View Post
    the wall is a concept. The concepts purpose is to inform Mexico...you protect americas southern boarder or we will make life difficult for you
    Yeah, like THAT has a snowball's chance of working.... sheeeesh.
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    Will a wall stop pharmaceutical companies from paying physicians to prescribe opioids to anyone who asks for them? Isn't prescription drug abuse the new #1 narcotics problem?

    When the wall is built, will we be able to send supplies to the Ensenada Home Depot and Costco so all the expats can build their beach houses?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John of Phoenix View Post
    Drug violence will be reduced when the War on Drugs is recognized for the failure it is and is abandoned. Donald's wall is just another figment of his imagination.
    +1 Drug addiction is a medical epidemic and needs to be treated as such.

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    no.
    A society predicated on the assumption that everyone in it should want to get rich is not well situated to become either ethical or imaginative.

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    Either decriminalize or make the consequences so onerous (Singapore) nobody will risk it.
    This middle ground we are trodding ain't working to good.
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    All the war on drugs is doing is enriching thugs and fueling gun violence. Regulate and tax. Use a lion's portion of the tax proceeds for treatment programs. Simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by genglandoh View Post
    Title: DEA: Most Illegal Drugs Enter via Mexico, Cartels Greatest Criminal Threat to U.S.
    The Obama administration keeps reassuring Americans that the southern border is secure yet the overwhelming majority of illegal drugs in the United States come from Mexico and Mexican traffickers remain the greatest criminal threat to the United States.
    This is nothing new and has been well documented for years in a variety of government audits, but the latest report, released this month by the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA), comes as the administration insists the Mexican border is secure. How secure could it possibly be when Mexican cartels—classified as Transitional Criminal Organizations (TCOs) by the government—have for years smuggled in enormous quantities of heroin, cocaine, methamphetamine and marijuana? In fact, the DEA’s 2015 National Drug Threat Assessment reveals that Mexican cartels are in a class of their own, that “no other group can challenge them in the near term.”
    Link: http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/20...threat-to-u-s/
    This story is from 2015.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genglandoh View Post
    This story is from 2015.
    And your thread is from a time that shows just when Trump decided that this might be a novel campaign idea. Too bad he hangs on to it in the face of overwhelming evidence that it is the silliest of ideas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genglandoh View Post
    One major aspect of building a wall along the US Mexican boarder is to help reduce the illegal drug trade into the US.
    I think this will help reduce the drug related violence in the US.

    What do you think?
    Who is the Mexican boarder, and what rent does he pay?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shang View Post
    When the Trumpoids build a fence from sea to shining sea will they be surprised when the evil drug smugglers hop into their boats and do end-runs around the fences.
    Should not be surprised if they read the news
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    Quote Originally Posted by genglandoh View Post
    One major aspect of building a wall along the US Mexican boarder is to help reduce the illegal drug trade into the US.
    I think this will help reduce the drug related violence in the US.

    What do you think?
    I think you are clueless. Remember how effective paraquat spraying was in the ‘80’s for reducing marijuana use?
    How about the source of opiod abuse? Meth?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John of Phoenix View Post
    Drug violence will be reduced when the War on Drugs is recognized for the failure it is and is abandoned. Donald's wall is just another figment of his imagination.
    Follow the money. Take the profit out of it, and deal with addiction as a health issue……………..

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    Quote Originally Posted by genglandoh View Post
    Title: DEA: Most Illegal Drugs Enter via Mexico, Cartels Greatest Criminal Threat to U.S.
    Lord, don't you read anything that other people post before you start your banal threads..

    Shipments intercepted by DEA..
    A 24-page report prepared by the DEA in May found that drugs coming from Mexico do often enter through the southwestern border, but they do so concealed in vehicles, like tractor-trailers. Moreover, drugs coming from Colombia are more often transported by plane and boat, the reports notes.

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/08/29...l-report-says/


    From Page 9 of the linked DEA report..

    (U//DSEN) A Mexican trafficker coordinated the movement of 100 kilograms of “China white”b heroin per month to New York, the majority of which was purchased by the head of a local Dominican trafficking group. Heroin is transported from Culiacan, Mexico, to Tijuana via private aircraft, then in tractor trailers from Tijuana to Los Angeles and subsequently New York.


    You get the idea?
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    Do you think building a wall will help reduce the drug violence in the US?

    Nope, not a snowballs hope in hell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by genglandoh View Post
    One major aspect of building a wall along the US Mexican boarder is to help reduce the illegal drug trade into the US.
    I think this will help reduce the drug related violence in the US.

    What do you think?
    I'm curious as why you would think as you do. Drugs come in through ports of entry, not carried by people walking. Some come in by mail.

    Legalizing the drugs would likely cut deeply into the violence.
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    I have another question: Is it possible to build a wall precisely on the border from only this side of the wall, or would some workers have to be in Mexico to build the wall. If Mexico has a problem with this?

    If a wall is built and it's actually 5' this side of the border. one could be on the other side of the wall AND be in the US, and ask for asylum.
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    I read that most illegal come into the united states hidden in other cargo. The wall won't make a dent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genglandoh View Post
    One major aspect of building a wall along the US Mexican boarder is to help reduce the illegal drug trade into the US.
    I think this will help reduce the drug related violence in the US.

    What do you think?
    The wall won't do very much if anything to reduce the flow of drugs from Mexico to the US because according to the DEA, the vast majority of such drugs come through legal points of entry hidden in trucks and cars. The one drug that might be impacted is marijuana which is commonly smuggled across the border via tunnels but since marijuana is being legalized in many states, it's not really that much of an issue.

    see

    https://www.factcheck.org/2017/08/wi...rug-smuggling/

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.eb81a5022d95

    ...and a thousand other sources all saying the same thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Smith View Post
    I have another question: Is it possible to build a wall precisely on the border from only this side of the wall, or would some workers have to be in Mexico to build the wall. If Mexico has a problem with this?

    If a wall is built and it's actually 5' this side of the border. one could be on the other side of the wall AND be in the US, and ask for asylum.
    I raised a similar point with one of our Trump supporters, who argued that a wall would slow down would-be immigrants, and make them easier to apprehend. I asked if it would be legal for USBP to apprehend people on the Mexican side of the wall, or would it be built a few yards inboard of the border to facilitate this. Also, would there be gates at frequent intervals that USBP agents could nip through to nab people. I don't believe I got a reply
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    Quote Originally Posted by isla View Post
    Lord, don't you read anything that other people post before you start your banal threads..

    Shipments intercepted by DEA..
    A 24-page report prepared by the DEA in May found that drugs coming from Mexico do often enter through the southwestern border, but they do so concealed in vehicles, like tractor-trailers. Moreover, drugs coming from Colombia are more often transported by plane and boat, the reports notes.

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/08/29...l-report-says/


    From Page 9 of the linked DEA report..

    (U//DSEN) A Mexican trafficker coordinated the movement of 100 kilograms of “China white”b heroin per month to New York, the majority of which was purchased by the head of a local Dominican trafficking group. Heroin is transported from Culiacan, Mexico, to Tijuana via private aircraft, then in tractor trailers from Tijuana to Los Angeles and subsequently New York.


    You get the idea?
    This. A wall would not stop drugs.

    Moreover, it's a high profit product being transported by sophisticated and well-funded cartels. You really think they're going to let a stupid wall stop them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Ross View Post
    This. A wall would not stop drugs.

    Moreover, it's a high profit product being transported by sophisticated and well-funded cartels. You really think they're going to let a stupid wall stop them?
    If the wall is anything like this image, then slim packages can be passed through and collected by people already on the other side. Hell, I bet those kids could squeeze through if they wanted to. But once again, for geng's benefit, most it is entering hidden in vehicles entering legally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by isla View Post
    Lord, don't you read anything that other people post before you start your banal threads..

    Shipments intercepted by DEA..
    A 24-page report prepared by the DEA in May found that drugs coming from Mexico do often enter through the southwestern border, but they do so concealed in vehicles, like tractor-trailers. Moreover, drugs coming from Colombia are more often transported by plane and boat, the reports notes.

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/08/29...l-report-says/


    From Page 9 of the linked DEA report..

    (U//DSEN) A Mexican trafficker coordinated the movement of 100 kilograms of “China white”b heroin per month to New York, the majority of which was purchased by the head of a local Dominican trafficking group. Heroin is transported from Culiacan, Mexico, to Tijuana via private aircraft, then in tractor trailers from Tijuana to Los Angeles and subsequently New York.


    You get the idea?
    But if there was a wall herds of heroin bales ambulating up to the border would be stopped. You know, even if they had long legs they couldn’t jump over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by isla View Post
    If the wall is anything like this image, then slim packages can be passed through and collected by people already on the other side. Hell, I bet those kids could squeeze through if they wanted to. But once again, for geng's benefit, most it is entering hidden in vehicles entering legally.


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    No.
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    No.
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