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    another early departure for work today - noon -
    .....but had enough time to stain the decks and take a picture.
    It's a usable kayak at this point, does not everything that designer intended, but it will do the job!
    Now is time to continue work on my kayak - first installing the decks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C.BlackHand View Post

    Cuts done, Na Zdrowie!!
    Work hard and play hard, if you can't have fun doing what you're doing there ain't no point in doing it, nice job.

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    Working on it with my son is a great fun. .....
    .....and building wood floating stuff is humbling for sure

    thank you Woodpile!

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    only 3 days left to have both kayaks in floatable stage.
    ....working on fitting comings on mine.....


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    we have made it !
    Both kayaks are fantastic! Both are going very straight - very happy with overall characteristics.

    This one has no coamings yet - no time, plus wanted to know what coaming design my son would want......



    Mine is pretty much done......


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    There is one problem..........the varnish that we have used is still tacky in spots...it's been 48 hrs after applying.....we do live by the ocean inlet so the humidity could be a factor - just wander to what extend. I got this kind because it its said that is for outdoor use.....wander what went wrong .......


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    "The whole is greater than the sum of it's parts".

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    How fresh was the epoxy before you put the varnish on Wojo?
    That stuff wants to go on in very thin coats. The first is always slowest to kick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wizbang 13 View Post
    How fresh was the epoxy before you put the varnish on Wojo?
    That stuff wants to go on in very thin coats. The first is always slowest to kick.
    Thank you for response Bruce !
    The epoxy was plenty "old", at least a week - maybe two .........but I am thinking that the tacky spots are where I applied a very tick coat - also on Damian's kayak I have applied 2 coats - second one 4hrs after first - as they say in application instruction - but maybe they meant: if is dry - because it sure was not after 4 hrs.
    The question is: what to do now - remove it with paint remover and start over? Because the tacky part is not getting any better.....
    Last edited by 2dogsnight; 08-15-2016 at 05:27 PM.

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    wait

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    waiting

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    Kayak hauling


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    Here is why this design is great - one adult + two kids, floating happily - while grandpa is zooming ( relatively speaking) in the background on Glen L15


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    Not regretting it !!!!......but all this summer family fun came with a price - the question is how big the price is.
    Copper coated nails from HD - from not enough varnish on them - in contact with salt water started corroding. Wander if I should just warmish over it, or some kind of special treatment will be required to get the copper rust out of the wood ????


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    Not enough varnish?
    Did you not glass the deck over onto the hull?
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    yes, definitely not enough varnish - just put one coat to seal the plywood, and get it out on the water.....did not glass the deck - didn't think that there is a real need for it - it would sealed the nails way better than varnish though
    As I said, we had great time with kids and grandkids, now is time to add more varnish and finish it........just varnished it, and will have to live with blemishes - will remind me of great summer with the kids
    Bruce, just checked the varnish and looks like is drying way better than first coat!! Applied with a roller - to give more uniform covebr />
    Last edited by 2dogsnight; 08-22-2016 at 09:57 PM.

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    Went kayaking around Lakebay Marina.......love it


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    Quote Originally Posted by 2dogsnight View Post
    As I said, we had great time with kids and grandkids, now is time to add more varnish and finish it........just varnished it, and will have to live with blemishes - will remind me of great summer with the kids
    That sounds about right.
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    after first euphoria of having the kayaks kind of ready for the water , now comes the part of finishing it to designer standards.
    .....and I am getting concerned about the glassed part of it. There are spots where the fiberglass looks like is not fully saturated (but is) - white spots.
    The question is: will they be gone after second coat of epoxy, if not what to do to make them disappear ?


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    Air bubble. It's saturated, but it's lifted off the surface of the wood. Second coat won't change that.

    If you REALLY want them to go away, cut them away with a razor knife, feather the edge and lay some new cloth.
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    ....that's what I was afraid will need to be done.
    thank you Figment

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    It's not so bad, really. Especially if you shave-down the edge of the new patch while epoxy is only green-cured.

    Or so I'm told. No personal experience of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Figment View Post
    It's not so bad, really. Especially if you shave-down the edge of the new patch while epoxy is only green-cured.

    Or so I'm told. No personal experience of course.
    ........the air bubbles were not there at first....they are appearing while kayak is being used.....that's not good.
    Anyway, I will cut out the bubble and see if I can repair it

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    oh. very not good.
    After you cut open a bubble, grab the cloth edge with some pliers and do a peel-test.

    I cringe as I type this, but..... do I recall that you applied a stain to this wood prior to epoxy & cloth, or was that someone else?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2dogsnight View Post

    .....so I've stained a piece of plywood, let it dry for 24hrs, then applies fiberglass tape with epoxy, let it dry for 24 hrs.......in few minutes I am going to the BoatShed to see if there is a reason to celebrate
    just went to the BoatShed and I am very pleased to find the tape stuck to the plywood for good
    There was a POC of the stain/epoxy combo
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    ...no time to work on kayak today - but my kayak was NOT stained Figment.
    Ryden - what's POC ?
    I think it has to be a combination of few little things: corner radius ( too big or too small), slow curing epoxy good for flat surfaces, but not the best for corners, edges, transitions from one surface to another, etc etc.
    Having this great forum helping - I am sure I will fix it.
    Would like is bring it to next year Port Townsend wooden boat festival and kayak around drooling over real boats

    .............time to go to work

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    couldn't wait any longer, and had to check the fiberglass situation.....here is first picture.....bubble can be seen and whiter spot is from prying with the box cutter trying to see if the cloth will peel off....



    .....well it did...looks like cloth is peeling off from the top of layer of epoxy.......this spot was coming off just by pulling on fiberglass cloth - not very easy !!, never less did come off.....
    I will just feel the spots with fiberglass cloth and epoxy and go from there.
    Most fiberglass air bubbles had small holes that epoxy didn't cover and water/sand was getting underneath. Fortunately the plywood was cover with epoxy so the water wasn't saturating plywood...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2dogsnight View Post
    Ryden - what's POC ?
    Proof Of Concept
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    ....started to finishing kayak....layer of epoxy, next more varnish.
    ....however I have started to think about the next build.
    Would like to have small, fast motorboat. Started to look for one that is more of traditional appearance.....unfortunately can't find anything.
    The closest to what I am looking for is Silver 333 by Italian designers.
    Length 10.9' beam 4.9' - planing hull - for 15-20 HP outboard short shaft

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    few coats of Topside for those rocky PNW beaches........


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    thinking about building this..........



    Complete buiding kit at the PTWB (minus oars and slider) goes for little over $1000-
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    Have you priced the oars and slider?
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    yes I did
    That's when I have stop considering getting the kit.
    Sliding unit $650-
    Oars around $500-
    ....sooooo, the whole set would cost $2200 + tax
    But it would be nice to have efficient rowing boat.

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