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    The trick is to fill an online shopping cart with lots of merchandise then don't bother to check out..

    Shopping cart abandonment apparently skews data for e-commerce stores, such as reporting to new shoppers that product lines are sold out when in fact, they’re idling in people’s carts for a period before they’re automatically released as ‘available stock’ again.
    It costs retailers, big time.

    In 2016, Business Insider estimated that the retailers would lose up to $4.6 trillion thanks to abandoned carts.

    And the trick seems to be working; Trump store browsers are reporting lines appear to be sold out, and in an effort to crackdown on the prank customers are limited to three items per person.

    https://www.indy100.com/article/trum...-merch-9592001
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    Dam clever these generation what ever they are..

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    Generation Disrupter, and good on them. A spot of disruption is long overdue. So those advocating pull it all down, are being pulled down.

    One might almost say anarchists?……………...
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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    Generation Disrupter, and good on them. A spot of disruption is long overdue.

    One might almost say anarchists?……………...
    Trump will call them Antifa
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    In this case that's exactly what they are!
    A society predicated on the assumption that everyone in it should want to get rich is not well situated to become either ethical or imaginative.

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    Nope elf, playing by the same rules, but differently. Antifa is an idea, a principle,not an organisation.

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    Right, and they're playing by the idea, the same way others who he labels antifa are.
    A society predicated on the assumption that everyone in it should want to get rich is not well situated to become either ethical or imaginative.

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    ​.
    I just ordered two red hats (MAGA & Keep America Great) and a Trump/Pence 2020 flag for the yard.

    A grand total of about $85.00 including tax.

    I gave the name and address as: D. John Drumph, 725 5th Avenue., Apartment #1, New York, NY 10022.

    I gave the email as: djdrumph1@yahoo.com.

    Then I abandoned the shopping cart. It felt good.
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    ^ I'm thinking of shopping as Kayleigh McEnany, or maybe John Bolton
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    Do it! It is satisfying.
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    I can't condone that behavior. Suppose it was brick and mortar store and these people were going in, taking the chips and from one aisle and placing them in the pet food aisle? That hurts the merchant and it inconveniences consumers looking for chips.

    It's not grand theft auto, but, leave politics out of it and ask how you'd feel if your kid, nephew, neighbor kid was doing that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breakaway View Post
    I can't condone that behavior. Suppose it was brick and mortar store and these people were going in, taking the chips and from one aisle and placing them in the pet food aisle? That hurts the merchant and it inconveniences consumers looking for chips.

    It's not grand theft auto, but, leave politics out of it and ask how you'd feel if your kid, nephew, neighbor kid was doing that?

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    Not interested in leaving politics out of it, because the politics here is precisely the point. They're not doing this to the WalMart website or Amazon, though arguably there are political issues there too to pursue.

    This is non-violent protest in a cyber age, which doesn't include hacking or malware or etc.. They've found a novel way of expressing free speech, a new way of doing a boycott or strike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Breakaway View Post
    I can't condone that behavior. Suppose it was brick and mortar store and these people were going in, taking the chips and from one aisle and placing them in the pet food aisle? That hurts the merchant and it inconveniences consumers looking for chips.

    It's not grand theft auto, but, leave politics out of it and ask how you'd feel if your kid, nephew, neighbor kid was doing that?

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    It's a store that sells ONLY fascist branding.

    If it were a brick-and-mortar store, I'd be OK with the kids burning it to the ground.

    Yep.

    My father's home county gave 97% of its young men to defeat the fascists last go 'round.

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    It ain't a brick and mortar store. AND IT IS ALL ABOUT POLITICS.

    The website REQUIRES the customer to list his occupation to purchase any item. Why? The website explains in fine print that Federal Law REQUIRES that information FOR ANY AND ALL CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS. The items are not being sold at cost. All profits go to the Trump/Pence 2020 campaign war chest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Breakaway View Post
    I can't condone that behavior. Suppose it was brick and mortar store and these people were going in, taking the chips and from one aisle and placing them in the pet food aisle? That hurts the merchant and it inconveniences consumers looking for chips.

    It's not grand theft auto, but, leave politics out of it and ask how you'd feel if your kid, nephew, neighbor kid was doing that?

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    This isn't that store, Kevin - it is a political fundraising site. Not the same thing.
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    Well, let us hope the notion gets generalized and spreads—becoming viral—and the resistance begins booking certain expensive hotels and golf resorts, along with the shopping carts.

    How appropriate it is, to harry this egregiously greedy self-serving RWG wannabe autocrat pig, bent on destroying the country, by beating him to a fare-thee-well with an economic bludgeon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breakaway View Post
    I can't condone that behavior. Suppose it was brick and mortar store and these people were going in, taking the chips and from one aisle and placing them in the pet food aisle? That hurts the merchant and it inconveniences consumers looking for chips.

    It's not grand theft auto, but, leave politics out of it and ask how you'd feel if your kid, nephew, neighbor kid was doing that?

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    Seriously, Kevin? You can’t condone this?

    Dude, that’s Busch League.

    It’s a store that hung a White Power banner in their window for three hours. Ask me what I think of the person who willfully patronizes that store.

    If my nephew messed with the place, I’d probably view my in-laws in a more positive light.
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    It’s great that Kelly Ann Conway’s daughter has an anti-trump* pro BLM TikTok account.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StevenBauer View Post
    It’s great that Kelly Ann Conway’s daughter has an anti-trump* pro BLM TikTok account.
    Yup. I see that there are some in social media decrying folks' attention being paid to her - suggesting that kids under 18 should be off limits.

    One wonders, though, if a person's own agency in making their name and opinions public overtakes such matters. I can see how if one is a Trumpist partisan it's useful to try and support this norm ... when Conway's daughter is a rather embarrassingly vocal critic from the Left. But if she's "outed" herself by posting some 80+ TikTok snippets which rip POTUS' world apart a bit.

    Seems to have a very firm set of opinions, and of her own capacity to form and own them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    It's a store that sells ONLY fascist branding.
    Well, this, obviously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beowolf View Post
    Seriously, Kevin? You can’t condone this?

    Dude, that’s Busch League.

    It’s a store that hung a White Power banner in their window for three hours. Ask me what I think of the person who willfully patronizes that store.

    If my nephew messed with the place, I’d probably view my in-laws in a more positive light.


    Well, we disagree. The white power merchant is despicable but messing with his business isn't right. What he sells and what he thinks is irrelevant. Dont like it? Start a boycott, sign a petition, or march.

    Do we want individuals deciding they can mess with private property when they disagree with the other party's politics or beliefs? Where would that end? Isnt that what hate groups do? Justify bad actions because the victims are only_____?( insert name of group of hated persons)



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    Quote Originally Posted by Breakaway View Post
    Well, we disagree. The white power merchant is despicable but messing with his business isn't right. What he sells and what he thinks is irrelevant. Dont like it? Start a boycott, sign a petition, or march.

    Do we want individuals deciding they can mess with private property when they disagree with the other party's politics or beliefs? Where would that end? Isnt that what hate groups do? Justify bad actions because the victims are only_____?( insert name of group of hated persons)



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    This _is_ a protest - a socially distanced one.

    Again, this isn't a "business" it is a campaign fundraiser.

    Nothing was "stolen" or "damaged", so it is hard for me to see this as anything other than what it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Breakaway View Post
    Well, we disagree. The white power merchant is despicable but messing with his business isn't right. What he sells and what he thinks is irrelevant. Dont like it? Start a boycott, sign a petition, or march.

    Do we want individuals deciding they can mess with private property when they disagree with the other party's politics or beliefs? Where would that end? Isnt that what hate groups do? Justify bad actions because the victims are only_____?( insert name of group of hated persons)



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    It's not a business, it's a political fundraiser.

    And they're Nazis.

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    I'm sure the Orange Oracle would tell us that 'there's good people on both sides', but he'd be lying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breakaway View Post
    Well, we disagree. The white power merchant is despicable but messing with his business isn't right. What he sells and what he thinks is irrelevant. Dont like it? Start a boycott, sign a petition, or march.

    Do we want individuals deciding they can mess with private property when they disagree with the other party's politics or beliefs? Where would that end? Isnt that what hate groups do? Justify bad actions because the victims are only_____?( insert name of group of hated persons)



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    That's what anti-abortionists do, that's what racists do, that's what Nazis do.

    I'm up to here with this feckless 'turn the other cheek' bullspit.

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    I'm up to here with this feckless 'turn the other cheek' bullspit.
    One needs to be wary of the paradox of becoming like that which one hates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breakaway View Post
    One needs to be wary of the paradox of becoming like that which one hates.

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    Indeed.

    But this is not that.

    This is guerrilla action undertaken with intent and self-awareness.

    Have you ever heard of the Yippies? How about The Monkeywrench Gang? Perhaps the French Resistance?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Breakaway View Post
    I can't condone that behavior. Suppose it was brick and mortar store and these people were going in, taking the chips and from one aisle and placing them in the pet food aisle? That hurts the merchant and it inconveniences consumers looking for chips.
    Look at it more as disrupting the sale of Nazi paraphernalia. There's a moral argument to be made that it's OK to hurt the merchant and inconvenience the consumer in that case.

    Quote Originally Posted by Breakaway View Post
    leave politics out of it and ask how you'd feel if your kid, nephew, neighbor kid was doing that?
    Proud as hell.

    What are you doing about it?




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    Quote Originally Posted by Breakaway View Post
    Well, we disagree. The white power merchant is despicable but messing with his business isn't right. What he sells and what he thinks is irrelevant. Dont like it? Start a boycott, sign a petition, or march.

    Do we want individuals deciding they can mess with private property when they disagree with the other party's politics or beliefs? Where would that end? Isnt that what hate groups do? Justify bad actions because the victims are only_____?( insert name of group of hated persons)



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    (My first bolding) Why isn't it right to mess with his business?

    (Second bolding) Lets insert Nazis or Fascists in the blank space.

    Why does that ideology even get a chance to raise its head? Over 400,000 Americans died fighting Nazis & Fascists in WW2 and now we are somehow expected to believe that adherents to such a vile ideology somehow get a place in the public square. If that's true then why did we bother going over to Europe in WW2 if they are going to get a pass in 2020? Serious questions.
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    of course one of the issues everyone is missing. They are talking about this online store as if it were The Donald's own. If that were the case, it is illegal for him to have such a store as it would be a clear conflict of interest and breaking with the emoluments clause
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Orca View Post
    Look at it more as disrupting the sale of Nazi paraphernalia. There's a moral argument to be made that it's OK to hurt the merchant and inconvenience the consumer in that case.



    Proud as hell.


    No, there is not. There are legal and socially acceptable forms of protest. This is not that.

    I mean, " moral argument?" Whose morals? Yours? Mine? Who's? What's the difference between that and using the bible to condone improper actions? Nun. ( pun intended)

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    [QUOTE=Art Haberland;6220376]of course one of the issues everyone is missing. They are talking about this online store as if it were The Donald's own. If that were the case, it is illegal for him to have such a store as it would be a clear conflict of interest and breaking with the emoluments clause[/QUOTE]

    You're so cute Art

    The emoluments clause was broken before he ever took office (quite a few millions went missing in the inaugural planning process) and has continued to be broken on a near daily basis with the hotels and golf resorts.

    But such is life in a dictatorship where the dictator is not answerable to Congress or anyone else. Where the DOJ acts as the dictator's private enforcement wing. Emoluments clause breaking is actually small potatoes in the bigger picture.
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    You guys can bleat on, but your attempting to defend the very thing you proclaim to despise: we can do what we want to THE OTHER because we have the moral high ground.

    Well, I would ask who's morals? And, how is that different than using the Bible or Quran to justify action?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breakaway View Post
    You guys can bleat on, but your attempting to defend the very thing you proclaim to despise: we can do what we want to THE OTHER because we have the moral high ground.

    Well, I would ask who's morals? And, how is that different than using the Bible or Quran to justify action?

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    We're talking Nazis here, Kevin.

    Why are you attempting to elevate these creatures to the ability to have a moral compass?

    Not only are they psychopaths, they are dangerous psychopaths.

    They do not deserve a voice.

    And yes, "if thou gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will also gaze into thee."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breakaway View Post
    No, there is not.
    And yet...

    Quote Originally Posted by Breakaway View Post
    There are legal and socially acceptable forms of protest.
    ...you clearly realize that acceptability is socially defined, at least in part. (We'll leave legality aside, since nobody is doing anything illegal in this case.)

    Now you just need to make a small but crucial mental leap: your social is not the same as everyone else's social.

    Quote Originally Posted by Breakaway View Post
    This is not that.
    According to your social understanding, probably not. But it's abundantly clear that according to a lot of other people's social understanding, it's completely acceptable, even laudable. This doesn't make you wrong, by your lights; it just means that your moral reasoning in this case differs from that of others.

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    " moral argument?" Whose morals? Yours? Mine? Who's? What's the difference between that and using the bible to condone improper actions? Nun. ( pun intended)
    Nun, indeed. Everybody's morals differ. That's why we have laws, which delineate acceptable standards of behaviour: because people's moral standards differ.

    What are you doing about it?




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    Quote Originally Posted by Breakaway View Post
    You guys can bleat on, but your attempting to defend the very thing you proclaim to despise: we can do what we want to THE OTHER because we have the moral high ground.

    Well, I would ask who's morals? And, how is that different than using the Bible or Quran to justify action?

    Kevin
    So... 'bleat on' is it?

    What I'm reading from this is, 'I have my opinion and I ain't interested in other information or perspective'.

    Because, if you were interesting in convincing others, or in being open-minded about hearing other information, you'd have furthered the conversation by responding to the queries in #28 and #26.

    Instead you got snarky and defensive... and doubled down without engaging.

    We have all heard your perspective. And it's a good starting point - with some truth to it. But only some. And only a starting point. There is more to the story. The fact is - the oppressed, and those in 'the resistance', CAN'T play by the rules. The rules are in place to maintain the status quo. Remember that quote, 'Well-behaved women rarely make history'? It's apt here. There's a lot of history to illustrate this point. A LOT!!! But you not only seem unaware of it, or perhaps of its relevance here, you also seem adamantly disinterested in learning any more about it. I don't fault your ignorance in the slightest. But I decry your stubborn insistence upon it.
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