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    Only half of UK firms that trade internationally have considered the impact of Brexit on their business, says the British Chambers of Commerce.
    It said only 52% of them had carried out a risk assessment ahead of the end of the Brexit transition period on 1 January 2021.

    The BCC said firms needed more clarity.

    As Andrew Lawless sees the end of the Brexit transition period approaching, he has found himself having second thoughts about his vote in the 2016 referendum.
    The sales director of Clitheroe-based packaging firm Phoenix Handling Solutions and member of the East Lancashire Chamber of Commerce, voted in favour of Brexit, because he thought it would be good for his business. His fellow directors did the same.
    "But when we realised that the trade agreements were a bit of a sticking point, we did actually wonder if we'd made the right decision," he told the BBC.
    It now sees itself having to take on paperwork that was previously handled by its suppliers in Italy, the Netherlands and France.
    "To be honest, we're a bit apprehensive, because we're not 100% certain we're doing the right things," he says.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54264692
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    And the roads into Kent are going to be total chaos.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54260470
    Mr Gove, the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, responsible for no-deal planning, wrote to logistics groups with the government's "reasonable worst-case scenario" planning for when the UK leaves the EU's single market and customs union rules on 1 January.
    In that scenario, he said just half of big businesses and 20% of small businesses would be ready for the strict application of new EU requirements at the border.
    "In those circumstances that could mean between only 30% and 60% of laden HGVs would arrive at the border with the necessary formalities completed for the goods on board," he told MPs.
    "They'd therefore be turned back by the French border authorities, clogging the Dover to Calais crossing."
    He said it could lead to delays of up to two days for drivers waiting to cross the Channel. Although he said those queues were likely to subside after businesses learned from seeing their cargo denied access to the continent.
    The transition period is due to expire at the end of the year but only a quarter of businesses are "fully ready" for the post-Brexit arrangements, Mr Gove said.
    There is a real irony in that Kent was the power base of the Swivel Eyed Loon and UKIP.
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    when is brexit again?
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    didnt we used to have like a ninety page brexit thread? did it die of covid19?
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    Trying to parse the meaning of the package handling guy who says he thought Brexit would be good for business “but [then] we realized that the trade agreements were a bit of a sticking point”.

    Did he think they’d exit the EU and have the same or better trading agreements?
    Did he think some other aspect of Brexit besides trade was good for business? (If so, what? Less taxes?)

    Understanding the mind of a Brexit or Trump voter is quite a puzzle.

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    You can't make stupid illegal, but in this case it might end up very expensive. Is thisnturkey smartenough to have his affairs in order before he goes bankrupt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Ross View Post
    Trying to parse the meaning of the package handling guy who says he thought Brexit would be good for business “but [then] we realized that the trade agreements were a bit of a sticking point”.

    Did he think they’d exit the EU and have the same or better trading agreements?
    Did he think some other aspect of Brexit besides trade was good for business? (If so, what? Less taxes?)

    Understanding the mind of a Brexit or Trump voter is quite a puzzle.
    It's hard for me to understand the thinking of some CEOs who supported Brexit. I remember seeing a TV interview a couple of years ago, with a CEO of a Welsh seafood transporting company. They need to get shellfish, lobsters etc. from North Wales to European markets as quickly as possible. The interviewer pointed out that there was a very good chance that trucks would experience long delays at the ferry ports. The CEO said he thought that was very unlikely, the government would sort that out, but it was a chance they were willing to take because they needed to get away from European legislation.
    "the government would sort that out". I wonder what he thinks now?
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    "the government would sort that out".

    Make a good tag line

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    It's going to be an unmitigated disaster. I bet the shops in January look like Poland's in the 80s...

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    A (US based) supplier of mine has had a factory in the UK for decades, now being closed and production moving to a facility in Germany. Probably 50-60 jobs involved, only three of which are likely to follow the move.

    From my selfish personal perspective this is good news, the increased import costs from the UK had completely absorbed the profit we were making on that product.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    when is brexit again?
    In 1974, or it should have been.
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    Getting into a business relationship such as the UK and the Eu is usually easier than getting out. That makes it difficult for the side that is getting the worse deal in the relationship.

    It will all work out in the end.
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    You can't really blame the poor CEOs, they've only had four years to get their $hit together
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    What a company of miserable, old doom-mongers you all are. Rarely have a good word to say about anything. You quote the BBC or CNN etc, and lap it all up; which is exactly what they want you to do. Try looking beyond your nose-ends at the bigger and better picture. There are plenty of people out there in businessess, large and small and in government, trying their best to make it all work, and having to fight dissenters all the way. Try doing your bit, instead of all this constant whining. Why the hell the Wooden Boat Forum needs the aptly named ''Bilge'' section I cannot fathom; because , for the most part it does the Forum no credit what so ever....or is it just supposed to be the repository for those tired of life ? It seems like it to me !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Treading water View Post
    What a company of miserable, old doom-mongers you all are. Rarely have a good word to say about anything. You quote the BBC or CNN etc, and lap it all up; which is exactly what they want you to do. Try looking beyond your nose-ends at the bigger and better picture. There are plenty of people out there in businessess, large and small and in government, trying their best to make it all work, and having to fight dissenters all the way. Try doing your bit, instead of all this constant whining. Why the hell the Wooden Boat Forum needs the aptly named ''Bilge'' section I cannot fathom; because , for the most part it does the Forum no credit what so ever....or is it just supposed to be the repository for those tired of life ? It seems like it to me !
    OK, tell us do. What are the positive opportunities? What has Boris and Co actually got in place for this December?
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    The article mentions 7000 heavy goods vehicles parked roadside. HGVs are 61.5 feet long. If they manage to touch bumper to bumper, that's a line over 81 miles long.

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    Covid-19 is the wild card in this. Millions of workers will not be returning to regular work anytime soon, Brexit or no.

    Years spent wrangling over whether the referendum result would even be honored wasted critical time, in hindsight, now that everything must be seen through the uncertainties created by the pandemic.

    If Leave had really meant Leave, early on in the process...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky Blue View Post
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    No, what is more likely to be the underlying truth is that all those years of Tory "Austerity"! will have gutted the Civil Service. Leaving it understaffed by those unable to find better jobs in the private sector. So everything that every government department working on BREXIT touched has turned to rats. The list is far too long, contracts placed for a ferry service with a company with no shipping and no viable port facilities to name only one.
    Add to that, the politicians campaigning for BREXIT did not do due diligence, so basically they had no idea of what they were asking for, nor its consequences in, to name only one, Ireland.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Treading water View Post
    What a company of miserable, old doom-mongers you all are. Rarely have a good word to say about anything. You quote the BBC or CNN etc, and lap it all up; which is exactly what they want you to do. Try looking beyond your nose-ends at the bigger and better picture. There are plenty of people out there in businessess, large and small and in government, trying their best to make it all work, and having to fight dissenters all the way. Try doing your bit, instead of all this constant whining. Why the hell the Wooden Boat Forum needs the aptly named ''Bilge'' section I cannot fathom; because , for the most part it does the Forum no credit what so ever....or is it just supposed to be the repository for those tired of life ? It seems like it to me !
    Still waiting for you to tell us why Britain leaving the EU was a good idea.

    You can’t tell us, can you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Bow View Post
    The article mentions 7000 heavy goods vehicles parked roadside. HGVs are 61.5 feet long. If they manage to touch bumper to bumper, that's a line over 81 miles long.

    WE GOT US A CONVOY, RUBBER DUCK, 10-4!!!!
    Its a regular occurrence, twice in the last 8 days, might be problematic on a daily basis
    https://www.kentonline.co.uk/dover/n...s-port-234353/

    Probably why they are building this
    https://www.kentonline.co.uk/ashford...-years-234006/

    Cant wait to be stuck in this every Friday

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Craig-Bennett View Post
    Still waiting for you to tell us why Britain leaving the EU was a good idea.

    You can’t tell us, can you?
    It must be a good deal for the EU. They seem to be willing to make it as unfriendly of a separation as possible.

    Oh. You want it a good deal for the UK.
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    Out beloved leader - The Gove of Cabinet - was wittering one about a sort of lorry pass for Kent - does this mean that if one of my friends need to take a lorry load of roof trusses to a customer in Ramsgate - he'll now need government paperwork? - and if he's taking it from Wales, is it international trade with VAT implications?????
    I'd much rather lay in my bunk all freakin day lookin at Youtube videos .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Too Little Time View Post
    It must be a good deal for the EU. They seem to be willing to make it as unfriendly of a separation as possible.

    Oh. You want it a good deal for the UK.
    The EU are responsible for looking after the interest of 27 members. Why should they abandon those 27 in favour of one idiot nation who is determined to shoot itself in the foot?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Too Little Time View Post
    It must be a good deal for the EU. They seem to be willing to make it as unfriendly of a separation as possible.

    Oh. You want it a good deal for the UK.
    You seem to have paid scant attention to the exit negotiations.

    The UK announced it wanted a divorce, then skulked around the house past deadlines imposed by the UK and the EU, unable to pack its bags and leave. She sat on the couch insulting the EU, changing course at least thrice.

    By comparison the EU looks brilliant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Craig-Bennett View Post
    Still waiting for you to tell us why Britain leaving the EU was a good idea.
    Yeah. Apart from the sovereignty rush.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Ross View Post
    You seem to have paid scant attention to the exit negotiations.

    The UK announced it wanted a divorce, then skulked around the house past deadlines imposed by the UK and the EU, unable to pack its bags and leave. She sat on the couch insulting the EU, changing course at least thrice.

    By comparison the EU looks brilliant.
    As I said leaving was a good deal for the EU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Too Little Time View Post
    As I said leaving was a good deal for the EU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by isla View Post
    but it was a chance they were willing to take because they needed to get away from European legislation.
    That's the bit that has always amused me - how the hell are they going to do that?

    Do they really think the EU will allow a British, or any product, into Europe that doesn't meet EU standards? And, do they think the EU will disadvantage EU producers by allowing an import to meet a lower bar than their own producers?

    For me it is the nexus of the question - 'how does Britain, actually, in all practicalities, leave the EU?'

    They're nuts.
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    leaving was a good deal for the EU
    Hardly.

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    Brexit? Is that still a thing?
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    The government is getting really good at playing 'Silly Buggers'..

    Dover port is not Brexit ready because it is still waiting for government funds to be released for vital infrastructure for the new border operations, it has been revealed.
    It comes as it emerged that the government was considering forcing drivers to obtain a special Brexit passport before entering Kent in a bid to avert queuing chaos in January.

    One solution being mooted by the government is a special HGV passport, a Kent access permit (KAP), which would only be issued to drivers who had completed their paperwork before boarding ferries or Eurotunnel trains.

    Labour MP Angela Eagle asked whether this would mean police guarding roads into Kent, raising the prospect of a Brexit border within the landmass of Britain.

    “Who’s going to be patrolling the Kent borders to make sure that no lorry goes into Kent if it hasn’t got that passport?” she asked. “Where are the border posts for going into Kent going to be? It’s all very well saying we are going to need it, but are we going to have Kent border police or border guards?”


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...tructure-funds

    Would it also be necessary to have a second line of KAP checks around Dover for trucks belonging to companies based within Kent?
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    It seems at least the British if not both sides play on time to increase pressure on the other side and / or to appear tough in front of their own supporters. If this continues, a deal will likely only be done between Christmas and new years eve this year. If at all ...

    If there is no deal at that time, options could be
    -agreement on further extension of the transition period
    -no deal Brexit
    -???

    My favorit is, that the Queen will take over operational government again, but I am afrait that that will not happen.

    I feel a bit sorry for the staff who are involved in the negotiations - I see work throughout the Christmas period coming up. Some sort of a no Christmas meal deal.


    ... and I am a bit annoyed with those, who put others into a "no Christmas meal" situation if that is not really needed because of a sudden catastrophic event.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henning 4148 View Post
    It seems at least the British if not both sides play on time to increase pressure on the other side and / or to appear tough in front of their own supporters. If this continues, a deal will likely only be done between Christmas and new years eve this year. If at all ...
    I think that is the arrogance of the Little Englanders and the Tory BREXITeers. They believe that Europe owes them something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Treading water View Post
    What a company of miserable, old doom-mongers you all are. Rarely have a good word to say about anything. You quote the BBC or CNN etc, and lap it all up; which is exactly what they want you to do. Try looking beyond your nose-ends at the bigger and better picture. There are plenty of people out there in businessess, large and small and in government, trying their best to make it all work, and having to fight dissenters all the way.
    And why should we not dissent? It was a close referendum at 52% leave, 48% remain, so nearly half the voting population of the UK wanted to remain. Furthermore, the vote in Scotland, where I live, was 62% remain and NI was 55.8% remain. Now NI is likely to suffer the consequences of a shambolic government effort (trying their best? If that's their best I would hate to see their worst effort) to 'make it all work'.

    Quote Originally Posted by Treading water View Post
    Try doing your bit, instead of all this constant whining. Why the hell the Wooden Boat Forum needs the aptly named ''Bilge'' section I cannot fathom; because , for the most part it does the Forum no credit what so ever....or is it just supposed to be the repository for those tired of life ? It seems like it to me !
    Nice bit of whining
    Anyhow, I did my bit. I voted against Brexit, I marched and demonstrated against Brexit (pre-referendum), I signed petitions and I voted against the ever so pro-Brexit tories in the last election. So what more can I do? Perhaps I should volunteer to help a few businesses with their paperwork. Or maybe I could become a KAP checker outside Dover.
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    The idea that Brexit is bad because companies are not ready for it is comparing apples and oranges.

    Of course it will be shambolic at first, but we should revisit this topic in 50 years with the benefit of hindsight to see if it was a good idea or not.

    It will most likely mean the break up of the UK. No-one liked the English anyway.

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