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    I truly wish that this wasn't behind the WAPO paywall. It's too important.

    Kagan's long opinion piece argues that America isn't going to enter a Constitutional Crisis, that you're in the middle of it now. That the Constitution was written before parties existed, and didn't anticipate party tribal loyalty as a threat, in the same way that the checks/balances elsewhere in the framework anticipated risks between the 3 branches.

    Kagan argues, persuasively IMO, that Trumpism is far more alive and well than most non-Trumpists are willing to acknowledge, and that this bemused inaction follows the pattern of how most authoritarian regimes assume power. The "audits" are about creating a narrative which justifies removing the barriers which only barely held this time - the (often GOP) officials who resisted and stopped the coup, the laws and processes which gave legal standing to the actual results. Now, as in other states which became Authoritarian, those very things are being targeted - precisely so that they WILL NOT hold when the next electoral contest happens.

    Kagan finishes by observing that while folks are putting the pressures of it all on Manchin and Sinema (and justifiably), that this absolves the actual people who could stand for (r)epublican virtues. The GOP Senators who voted to impeach Trump, but have done nothing substantive to preserve the (r)epublic ever since.

    Various students of Authoritarianism (Applebaum, Ben-Ghiat, etc,) observe that the fundamental structuring dynamic in healthy Democracies is the willingness to lose. To seek redress through the next electoral process, by making a better case for your ideas or adjusting them to be more attractive. That's exactly what the Trumpists who now control the GOP are rejecting. And should they have a good outing in '22, it's pretty much certain that (barring health problems) Trump will run in '24. And have in the interim removed the barriers which defeated his first coup attempt.

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    I do not suppose it helps much that snippets of information coming from the Durham investigation show the Democrats to have perhaps shot themselves in the head?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomF View Post
    I truly wish that this wasn't behind the WAPO paywall. It's too important.

    Kagan's long opinion piece argues that America isn't going to enter a Constitutional Crisis, that you're in the middle of it now. That the Constitution was written before parties existed, and didn't anticipate party tribal loyalty as a threat, in the same way that the checks/balances elsewhere in the framework anticipated risks between the 3 branches.

    Kagan argues, persuasively IMO, that Trumpism is far more alive and well than most non-Trumpists are willing to acknowledge, and that this bemused inaction follows the pattern of how most authoritarian regimes assume power. The "audits" are about creating a narrative which justifies removing the barriers which only barely held this time - the (often GOP) officials who resisted and stopped the coup, the laws and processes which gave legal standing to the actual results. Now, as in other states which became Authoritarian, those very things are being targeted - precisely so that they WILL NOT hold when the next electoral contest happens.

    Kagan finishes by observing that while folks are putting the pressures of it all on Manchin and Sinema (and justifiably), that this absolves the actual people who could stand for (r)epublican virtues. The GOP Senators who voted to impeach Trump, but have done nothing substantive to preserve the (r)epublic ever since.

    Various students of Authoritarianism (Applebaum, Ben-Ghiat, etc,) observe that the fundamental structuring dynamic in healthy Democracies is the willingness to lose. To seek redress through the next electoral process, by making a better case for your ideas or adjusting them to be more attractive. That's exactly what the Trumpists who now control the GOP are rejecting. And should they have a good outing in '22, it's pretty much certain that (barring health problems) Trump will run in '24. And have in the interim removed the barriers which defeated his first coup attempt.

    This is, really and truly, Germany just before the Reich.
    Ayup.

    I definitely notice a personal urge to dismiss Trumpism as 'over'. And yet I know it's not. Yet I catch myself time after time drawn to that attitude. And that even after I've been warning of the possibility of our own 'Weimar' period here for over a decade. I should know better.

    Here's more -- https://electionlawblog.org/?p=124767
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    Quote Originally Posted by LarixMaximus View Post
    I do not suppose it helps much that snippets of information coming from the Durham investigation show the Democrats to have perhaps shot themselves in the head?
    Nobody except the dishonest about Durham.

    and the right has shown they will welcome fascism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Conway View Post
    Nobody except the dishonest about Durham.

    and the right has shown they will welcome fascism.
    Its always highly amusing to watch people side with the FBI only when their reports tally with their own opinion. Facts be damned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomF View Post
    I truly wish that this wasn't behind the WAPO paywall. It's too important.

    Kagan's long opinion piece argues that America isn't going to enter a Constitutional Crisis, that you're in the middle of it now. That the Constitution was written before parties existed, and didn't anticipate party tribal loyalty as a threat, in the same way that the checks/balances elsewhere in the framework anticipated risks between the 3 branches.

    Kagan argues, persuasively IMO, that Trumpism is far more alive and well than most non-Trumpists are willing to acknowledge, and that this bemused inaction follows the pattern of how most authoritarian regimes assume power. The "audits" are about creating a narrative which justifies removing the barriers which only barely held this time - the (often GOP) officials who resisted and stopped the coup, the laws and processes which gave legal standing to the actual results. Now, as in other states which became Authoritarian, those very things are being targeted - precisely so that they WILL NOT hold when the next electoral contest happens.

    Kagan finishes by observing that while folks are putting the pressures of it all on Manchin and Sinema (and justifiably), that this absolves the actual people who could stand for (r)epublican virtues. The GOP Senators who voted to impeach Trump, but have done nothing substantive to preserve the (r)epublic ever since.

    Various students of Authoritarianism (Applebaum, Ben-Ghiat, etc,) observe that the fundamental structuring dynamic in healthy Democracies is the willingness to lose. To seek redress through the next electoral process, by making a better case for your ideas or adjusting them to be more attractive. That's exactly what the Trumpists who now control the GOP are rejecting. And should they have a good outing in '22, it's pretty much certain that (barring health problems) Trump will run in '24. And have in the interim removed the barriers which defeated his first coup attempt.

    This is, really and truly, Germany just before the Reich.
    Well, it's about time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LarixMaximus View Post
    I do not suppose it helps much that snippets of information coming from the Durham investigation show the Democrats to have perhaps shot themselves in the head?
    You're not perhaps understanding what Durham appears to have found.

    Durham's mandate was to investigate the origins of the Mueller investigation, uncovering what was assumed to be partisanship in the very notion that the Trump campaign could be investigated for possible collusion with Russia. That was Durham's remit - to expose the supposed hoax, and by doing so, give the full exoneration of Trump which Trump craved ... and which Mueller's report explicitly refused to do.

    Durham came up empty. The indictment he returned this week was not about Mueller's origins. An individual identified himself as a cyber-security specialist within a DC firm which he named, approached the FBI to report troubling activity he'd discovered between a Russian-linked bank and a Trump server. Suggested that the FBI should investigate it. This happened after Mueller was already on the job, IIRC, and well after the Papadopoulos events which actually prompted the probe.

    The firm he worked for was widely known both within DC and specifically to the FBI agent who did the interview, to have Clinton as one of their clients. The individual didn't point out this well known fact within his FBI interview, likely exactly because it was well known. This wasn't terribly concerning to the FBI agent at the time either, and his memory of that aspect of the interview is reportedly not desperately clear - making him a rather ambiguous witness (the sole one, too) for Durham to rely on.

    It's almost certain that the indictment will not result in a conviction for lying to the FBI, because there's apparently little evidence that lying happened, and no evidence that the FBI's subsequent actions would have been any different had the individual taken pains to point out something which was already common knowledge to the FBI. There's no "materiality" to the alleged lie.

    That's all that Durham's shown anyone, for months and months. This isn't the Dems "shooting themselves in the head," it's Durham attempting to salvage something to justify his existence ...
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    I can see Joe and Kamala and Pelosi, et al, standing, flabbergasted, looking at the Trumpista Blitzkrieg.

    They will wring their hands and clutch their pearls and cry out 'Oh my God! I thought it couldn't happen here!'


    The Democratic Party are MORONS!!!!!!!!!!
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    Various students of Authoritarianism (Applebaum, Ben-Ghiat, etc,) observe that the fundamental structuring dynamic in healthy Democracies is the willingness to lose. To seek redress through the next electoral process, by making a better case for your ideas or adjusting them to be more attractive. That's exactly what the Trumpists who now control the GOP are rejecting.
    As I keep saying, the Democrats perform the same as the Republicans. You might find their goals more to your liking. Especially, if they benefit you.

    If the Democrats put forth programs more along the lines of helping those in the bottom 50%, they would not get passed, but more Democrats would get elected. But putting forth programs that benefit the 19% below the 1% will not attract the votes need to elect more Democrats.
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    It worries me, but I'm less worried now that the J6 committee is doing their work. However weepy and incapable some Dems might be when it comes to hardball tactics with Trumpists, I don't think that Cheney or Kitzinger have those genes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Too Little Time View Post
    As I keep saying, the Democrats perform the same as the Republicans. You might find their goals more to your liking. Especially, if they benefit you.

    If the Democrats put forth programs more along the lines of helping those in the bottom 50%, they would not get passed, but more Democrats would get elected. But putting forth programs that benefit the 19% below the 1% will not attract the votes need to elect more Democrats.
    You keep saying it about how you imagine I'd feel about this or that, but you keep being wrong.

    The Republicans have abandoned the "(r)epublican virtues" which used to be common ground. I agree with Cheney on almost nothing, except the adherence to those. And she's been drummed out of GOP leadership exactly for it.

    This has zip to do with the programs folks want to implement, and everything to do with whether a party is, in Applebaum's term, willing to lose an election.

    I'd appreciate it if you'd bear that in mind, when next you try to tell me what you imagine I think.
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    OTOH and FWIW --

    Michael Cohen says Trump is bluffing about another presidential run because he can't 'stomach the notion of being a 2-time loser'


    https://www.businessinsider.com/mich...nt-2024-2021-9
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomF View Post
    I truly wish that this wasn't behind the WAPO paywall. It's too important.

    Kagan's long opinion piece argues that America isn't going to enter a Constitutional Crisis, that you're in the middle of it now. That the Constitution was written before parties existed, and didn't anticipate party tribal loyalty as a threat, in the same way that the checks/balances elsewhere in the framework anticipated risks between the 3 branches.
    George Washington's Farewell Address famously warned about allowing the emergence of political parties.

    People were aware of the dangers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Too Little Time View Post
    As I keep saying, the Democrats perform the same as the Republicans. You might find their goals more to your liking. Especially, if they benefit you.

    If the Democrats put forth programs more along the lines of helping those in the bottom 50%, they would not get passed, but more Democrats would get elected. But putting forth programs that benefit the 19% below the 1% will not attract the votes need to elect more Democrats.
    Almost all democrats would vote for things the people want. Almost. We need ALL of them in the senate, and 10 republicans, or an end or carveout of the filibuster.

    Let us not forget the senate, some years back, passed immigration reform. Boehner first, then Ryan later, refused those bills a vote in the house, which they would have passed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LarixMaximus View Post
    I do not suppose it helps much that snippets of information coming from the Durham investigation show the Democrats to have perhaps shot themselves in the head?
    This is a prime example of why so much of the right wing media is literally unreadable and unwatchable. They grab one little item, and blow it up into 'a scandal of preposterous proportions'. We're seeing this now with the whole Hunter Biden laptop... with the RWW's crowing about having been exonerated because 'it's all true'....

    ...when in fact, nothing about the laptop controversy has demonstrated much of anything to even talk about. Hunter Biden traded on his name to make connections in business? You have GOT to be kidding me... if that were a capital crime, we'd need a stadium the size of the Sugar Bowl to hold all the Republican and Democratic businessmen and politicians awaiting trial for the same damn thing.

    Show me evidence, not ephemeral implications... I've yet to see any. Hunter Biden is certainly no choirboy... but let's judge him fairly, and NOT simply because his daddy his hated by the right. Trump's kids, from what I can see, have done much, much worse... and even then, there's no direct evidence against any of them, at this point (although that might change in the future).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholas Carey View Post
    George Washington's Farewell Address famously warned about allowing the emergence of political parties.

    People were aware of the dangers.
    Most of my life I've thought political parties were bad things. Many believe we should have more parties, but that, IMO, would require a system that ends up with two candidates, so no one elected without getting over 50% of the vote.

    I've never figured out how to have a no party system, but I believe it would be a good thing.

    Parties or not, elections are costly. The money spent on campaigns in mind boggling, and politicians who win elections owe their donors. If Manchin, for example, only had to answer to the people of his state who support the bills being debated now, he'd have a clear path to supporting them. He does not, because his biggest donors don't want these bills passed.

    Who does he piss off?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholas Carey View Post
    George Washington's Farewell Address famously warned about allowing the emergence of political parties.

    People were aware of the dangers.
    Didn't Washington think we should install a modified 'royal' system?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norman Bernstein View Post
    Trump's kids, from what I can see, have done much, much worse... and even then, there's no direct evidence against any of them, at this point (although that might change in the future).
    There is direct evidence and Republicans didn’t, and don’t, give a damn.

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    Worth remembering that the anti-fascists who were around before WW2 ultimately failed to prevent the fascists' rise to power.

    I have a very hard time imagining today's Democratic party succeeding, but it would be nice to be surprised.

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    WaPo has been giving the neocons a platform lately. While itís a worthwhile read remember who Kagan is and what he accomplished with PNAC. He wants a functional hegemonic empire not one crippled by incompetant Trumpism. Biden will do but Kagan prefers Republicans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by offbelayknife View Post
    Worth remembering that the anti-fascists who were around before WW2 ultimately failed to prevent the fascists' rise to power.
    worth remembering that ANTIFA was established by the communist party Deutschland (kpd) and hated by the west because of that.

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    Did someone say something about a mindless and truculent 'refusal to accept defeat'?? Hanging out on the capitol steps picking fights with bystanders and legislators... because she lost a floor vote.

    Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene got into a shouting match outside the Capitol with a Democratic congresswoman over abortion: 'Try being a Christian!'


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Conway View Post
    worth remembering that ANTIFA was established by the communist party Deutschland (kpd) and hated by the west because of that.
    Sure, but I wouldn't think of that as the west being free of responsibility either. Only a reminder that the historical template for resisting fascist movements needs some improvement. The 'business democrats' will find find extra challenging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David G View Post
    OTOH and FWIW --

    Michael Cohen says Trump is bluffing about another presidential run because he can't 'stomach the notion of being a 2-time loser'


    https://www.businessinsider.com/mich...nt-2024-2021-9
    makes sense to me although I could see him rationalizing it as like coming back from bankruptcy. Either way he’s a symptom and the disease is in the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David G View Post
    Did someone say something about a mindless and truculent 'refusal to accept defeat'?? Hanging out on the capitol steps picking fights with bystanders and legislators... because she lost a floor vote.

    Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene got into a shouting match outside the Capitol with a Democratic congresswoman over abortion: 'Try being a Christian!'


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    Twice in recent weeks I've heard rather important people say on broadcast TV that Biden may be out last elected President.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David G View Post
    Didn't Washington think we should install a modified 'royal' system?

    He was asked to be king, and refused.

    Hence the creation of the Society of Cincinnatus, Cincinnatus being a Roman farmer named war leader during the Republic of Rome. He was asked to stay on afyer the war and become emperor. He refused and went back to his farm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholas Carey View Post
    He was asked to be king, and refused.

    Hence the creation of the Society of Cincinnatus, Cincinnatus being a Roman farmer named war leader during the Republic of Rome. He was asked to stay on afyer the war and become emperor. He refused and went back to his farm

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soci...the_Cincinnati

    https://www.societyofthecincinnati.org
    Yes, I remember that. I also thought I remembered him having royalist leaning... but he simply wasn't interested in personally ruling??
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    Nixon, impeached, Reagan got away with treason, twice, Bush Sr. spent his time cleaning up from the Keating Five, Bush Jr decided a police state and torture were just fine, and finally Trump decides we can just be a puppet state for Putin.

    And ANYONE is at all surprised republicans want a fascist dictatorship? They've never had a problem with crime, only getting caught for it. The last thing the party of personal responsibility will ever do, is to actually be responsible for their own actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvida View Post
    Nixon, impeached, Reagan got away with treason, twice, Bush Sr. spent his time cleaning up from the Keating Five, Bush Jr decided a police state and torture were just fine, and finally Trump decides we can just be a puppet state for Putin.

    And ANYONE is at all surprised republicans want a fascist dictatorship? They've never had a problem with crime, only getting caught for it. The last thing the party of personal responsibility will ever do, is to actually be responsible for their own actions.
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    As Kagan said in the article, the Republicans have always had 2 streams within the party; the establishment folks who were institutionalists and the populist who wanted to burn it down. Eisenhower vs. McCarthy is Bush vs. Trump.

    It was that way in the Conservative wing in Germany too. And the Establishment folks misjudged their ability to keep the upper hand over Hitler's populism, just as the Trumpists have overwhelmed the Cheney and Kitzinger style establishment types.

    There have historically been authoritarian leftist populists too, of course, but none which have been any threat to taking power in the US.
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