Page 1 of 3 12 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 35 of 88

Thread: Do you think the Dems will rig the system again in 2020?

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    Ohio USA
    Posts
    10,078

    Default Do you think the Dems will rig the system again in 2020?

    In 2008 the DNC rigged the system for Obama even thou Hillary got more votes in the primaries.
    In 2016 the DNC rigged the system for Hillary.

    I can see the Dems rigging the system and not respecting the primary voters again.

    It could be something like having Michelle Obama be nominated at the convention even thou she did not run in the primaries.
    "The only rules that really matter are these: what a man can do and what a man canít do." Captain Jack Sparrow

  2. #2
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Victoria BC
    Posts
    13,491

    Default Re: Do you think the Dems will rig the system again in 2020?

    Let is sink!
    It's a stinking turd of a thread!
    Don't respond!
    Don't feed the troll!
    Nosce te ipsum

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    Ohio USA
    Posts
    10,078

    Default Re: Do you think the Dems will rig the system again in 2020?

    Quote Originally Posted by Old Dryfoot View Post
    Let is sink!
    It's a stinking turd of a thread!
    Don't respond!
    Don't feed the troll!
    I do not understand why you think this thread is a troll.
    1. The Dems have a track record of rigging the system.
    2. The current batch of Dem Candidates are not the best.
    3. There is lots of talk about nominating Michelle Obama
    "The only rules that really matter are these: what a man can do and what a man canít do." Captain Jack Sparrow

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Caribbean cliff edge
    Posts
    21,800

    Default Re: Do you think the Dems will rig the system again in 2020?

    ...
    I live and drink rum where other people vacation.

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Porter Maine
    Posts
    5,833

    Default Re: Do you think the Dems will rig the system again in 2020?

    Well I know the Russians will do it again.

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Location
    Port of Lorain,Ohio
    Posts
    18,373

    Cool Re: Do you think the Dems will rig the system again in 2020?

    Keep calm, persistence beats resistance.

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    Isle of Mull, Scotland
    Posts
    6,461

    Default Re: Do you think the Dems will rig the system again in 2020?

    Have you stopped beating your wife, Geng?

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    Sharon, MA
    Posts
    23,126

    Default Re: Do you think the Dems will rig the system again in 2020?

    Quote Originally Posted by genglandoh View Post
    I do not understand why you think this thread is a troll.
    1. The Dems have a track record of rigging the system.
    2. The current batch of Dem Candidates are not the best.
    3. There is lots of talk about nominating Michelle Obama
    Are you proud of being so easily manipulated?
    "Reason and facts are sacrificed to opinion and myth. Demonstrable falsehoods are circulated and recycled as fact. Narrow minded opinion refuses to be subjected to thought and analysis. Too many now subject events to a prefabricated set of interpretations, usually provided by a biased media source. The myth is more comfortable than the often difficult search for truth."







  9. #9
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    afloat with at least 6' of water under me.
    Posts
    62,809

    Default Re: Do you think the Dems will rig the system again in 2020?

    Quote Originally Posted by Norman Bernstein View Post
    Are you proud of being so easily manipulated?
    It's pretty obvious that Geng doesn't know he's being manipulated.

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    Ohio USA
    Posts
    10,078

    Default Re: Do you think the Dems will rig the system again in 2020?

    Quote Originally Posted by genglandoh View Post
    I do not understand why you think this thread is a troll.
    1. The Dems have a track record of rigging the system.
    2. The current batch of Dem Candidates are not the best.
    3. There is lots of talk about nominating Michelle Obama

    it seems that you agree with me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Norman Bernstein View Post
    As much as I hate to admit it, Pless is right... Trump is likely to win.
    Quote Originally Posted by Norman Bernstein View Post
    ALL of the Democratic candidates suck... for both similar and different reasons.
    If there was a single decent Democratic candidate, the election would be a foregone conclusion... and Trump would lose by a whopping landslide.
    I don't even like the ones I formerly liked. Sanders is too old and too radical. Biden has completely lost his edge. Warren went too far left and is failing at trying to throttle it back. Buttigieg can't be elected (the 'gay' thing).



    "The only rules that really matter are these: what a man can do and what a man canít do." Captain Jack Sparrow

  11. #11
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Caribbean cliff edge
    Posts
    21,800

    Default Re: Do you think the Dems will rig the system again in 2020?

    Why isn't there a 'single decent Democratic candidate' ?

    Surely among the Democratic Party, there is at least one person that would be ?

    After all, Mr Trump us not setting a high bar.
    I live and drink rum where other people vacation.

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Jun 2000
    Location
    Pleasant Valley NS Canada
    Posts
    18,730

    Default Re: Do you think the Dems will rig the system again in 2020?

    ...and Geng hoists another piŮata for the liberals in the Forum to swing at...
    Hope for the best, but plan for the worst.

  13. #13
    Join Date
    Jul 2017
    Location
    huntsville, al, usa
    Posts
    5,494

    Default Re: Do you think the Dems will rig the system again in 2020?

    it's almost comical who the d's are trotting out this go-around.

  14. #14
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    South Puget Sound/summer Eastern carib./winter
    Posts
    17,089

    Default Re: Do you think the Dems will rig the system again in 2020?

    Is there a single progressive here that is happy about the DNC choosing HRC over Sanders?
    yea, it's a suck of a thread....but.....

    I'm afraid they will choose Biden over Bernie. Who is NOT ?

  15. #15
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Nashville TN
    Posts
    28,999

    Default Re: Do you think the Dems will rig the system again in 2020?

    Apart from the Ruskies I'm not afraid that inner machination that will rig the outcome but that doesn't mean Biden, Bernie or some other less than optimal choice won't get the nod.

    Amy can win this.
    One of the most enduring qualities of an old wooden boat is the smell it imparts to your clothing.

  16. #16
    Join Date
    Oct 1999
    Location
    St. Paul, MN, USA
    Posts
    54,068

    Default Re: Do you think the Dems will rig the system again in 2020?

    Quote Originally Posted by wizbang 13 View Post
    I'm afraid they will choose Biden over Bernie. Who is NOT ?
    Oh, for the love of God, this again? Bernie Sanders is 78 years old and just had a heart attack, had a stent put in. Joe Biden is 77. Choosing either of them seems a very, very stupid idea.
    "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations,
    for nature cannot be fooled."

    Richard Feynman

  17. #17
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Winnipeg MB
    Posts
    20,172

    Default Re: Do you think the Dems will rig the system again in 2020?

    Quote Originally Posted by genglandoh View Post
    In 2008 the DNC rigged the system
    No they didn't. They are a political party, and political parties are entitled to choose their candidates any way they like. They could base candidate selection on a silly walk contest and it wouldn't be "rigged".

    Also, stop fscking trolling.

    What are you doing about it?




  18. #18
    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Location
    Port of Lorain,Ohio
    Posts
    18,373

    Cool Re: Do you think the Dems will rig the system again in 2020?

    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Wilson View Post
    Oh, for the love of God, this again? Bernie Sanders is 78 years old and just had a heart attack, had a stent put in. Joe Biden is 77. Choosing either of them seems a very, very stupid idea.
    Unless they have a good Vice President.
    Keep calm, persistence beats resistance.

  19. #19
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Posts
    28,647

    Default Re: Do you think the Dems will rig the system again in 2020?

    People, please!

    Quote Originally Posted by Old Dryfoot View Post
    Let is sink!
    It's a stinking turd of a thread!
    Don't respond!
    Don't feed the troll!
    Quote Originally Posted by Old Dryfoot View Post
    Let is sink!
    It's a stinking turd of a thread!
    Don't respond!
    Don't feed the troll!
    Quote Originally Posted by Old Dryfoot View Post
    Let is sink!
    It's a stinking turd of a thread!
    Don't respond!
    Don't feed the troll!

  20. #20
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    afloat with at least 6' of water under me.
    Posts
    62,809

    Default Re: Do you think the Dems will rig the system again in 2020?

    Hey Geng, do you think the Russians will help Trump to win a 2nd term?

  21. #21
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    Sharon, MA
    Posts
    23,126

    Default Re: Do you think the Dems will rig the system again in 2020?

    Quote Originally Posted by genglandoh View Post
    it seems that you agree with me.


    We may agree that the Democratic candidates suck (but for very different reasons)... but your assertion about a rigged election is simply more of your usual BS.... and the stuff about Michelle Obama is truly absurd, derived from nothing but thin air.
    "Reason and facts are sacrificed to opinion and myth. Demonstrable falsehoods are circulated and recycled as fact. Narrow minded opinion refuses to be subjected to thought and analysis. Too many now subject events to a prefabricated set of interpretations, usually provided by a biased media source. The myth is more comfortable than the often difficult search for truth."







  22. #22
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Caribbean cliff edge
    Posts
    21,800

    Default Re: Do you think the Dems will rig the system again in 2020?

    Quote Originally Posted by genglandoh View Post
    In 2008 the DNC rigged the system
    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Orca View Post
    No they didn't. They are a political party, and political parties are entitled to choose their candidates any way they like. They could base candidate selection on a silly walk contest and it wouldn't be "rigged".

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ns-need-reform

    Dear Democratic party: it's time to stop rigging the primaries


    If Democrats want any hope of voting Trump out, they must fix the broken primary system before the next election

    Ask countless Bernie Sanders supporters, and they’ll tell you a big reason he lost the Democratic party primaries is simple: the process was rigged. In one state after another, the votes by party elites – so-called “superdelegates” – counted more than those of regular members. And arduous voting requirements meant that countless people who would have voted for Sanders were denied that right. If the Democrats want any hope of voting Trump out of the White House, it is urgent they fix this broken system before the next election.

    As a member of Sanders’ campaign, I’ll never forget watching the primary votes being counted for Michigan, one of the key states that decided the 2016 election. Sanders’ “pledged delegate count” – which reflected the number of votes he received from rank-and-file Democrats – exceeded Clinton’s by four. But after the superdelegates cast their ballots, the roll call registered “Clinton 76, Sanders 67”.

    America's shameful history of voter suppression

    This repeated itself in other states. In Indiana, Sanders won the vote 44 to 39, but, after the super delegates had their say, Clinton was granted 46 delegates, versus Sanders’ 44. In New Hampshire, where Sanders won the vote by a gaping margin (60% to 38%) and set a record for the largest number of votes ever, the screen read “16 Sanders, 16 Clinton”.
    Sanders “lost” those states because hundreds of superdelegates had pledged their votes long before the primaries and caucuses began. By including those prearranged votes, running media tallies reinforced the inevitability of a Clinton win and the common perception that the Democratic primary was “rigged”. In June, the Associated Press went so far as to call the primary in Clinton’s favor – before Californians even had a chance to cast their votes.
    During the New York primary, between 3 and 4 million “unaffiliated” voters were disenfranchised due to a statute that required changing one’s party affiliation 25 days prior to the previous general election. In 2016, that deadline was 193 days before election day. Over a third of under-30 voters – Sanders’s core constituency – weren’t registered to any political party. When those young people tried to vote, they were turned away.

    In New York and other Democratic-leaning states, primaries have serious consequences. For this year’s New York state primary, the deadline for unaffiliated voters to register Democratic is 11 months before the actual vote, a requirement that tilts the playing field in favor of incumbents. Unaffiliated voters wishing to support Cynthia Nixon’s bid for governor, for example, will never have had a chance to vote for her, because that deadline passed before she announced her candidacy. The Democratic party, in turn, forfeited its chance to attract millions of independent and unaffiliated voters to participate in its primary.

    In 2016, the progressive grassroots wing of the Democratic party, which strongly supported Sanders, raised persistent alarms about the blatant structural bias of the primary system. The result was the formation of a tripartite Unity Reform Commission (with 10 representatives from the Clinton campaign, eight for Sanders, and three appointed by the chair).
    The outcome of the election – Trump’s victory, widely perceived as a populist rejection of establishment politics – only increased the significance of the commission’s work, for soul-searching Democrats stung by bitter defeat. The commission’s consensus-drawn report, issued last December and endorsed by the Democratic party national chairman, Tom Perez, recommends that the number of superdelegates be reduced by 60%, and that state parties enact same-day voter registration and same-day party-switching. As an enforcement mechanism, state parties that don’t comply can be docked party convention delegates.
    This summer, the Democratic National Committee (DNC) will consider these and other recommendations. These deliberations could fundamentally reshape the Democratic party, and American politics, for many years to come.
    A “yes” vote for the Commission’s recommendations would diffuse the power of the Democratic party establishment and open the party to more progressive ideas and candidates. In places like New York, this could empower the progressive wing of the party, combat party-sanctioned voter suppression, and bring much-needed new blood to local and state politics.
    Such a move could also recover some of the Democrats’ lost base. During Obama’s time as president, the Democratic party lost both chambers of Congress, nearly a thousand seats in state legislatures, and half of state governorships. In many parts of the country, Democrats have almost no political influence at all. The blue wave expected in 2018 could easily lose force if Democrats remain locked in internal struggles for control, rather than work together to expand their political horizon.

    In the wake of misconduct by past party officials, such reforms could also help restore lost credibility by preventing those in power from putting their thumbs on the scale and allowing establishment politicians and big money undue influence. Superdelegates are drawn from entrenched party leadership, and in 2016, at least 63 of the 712 total were registered lobbyists, and 32 more “shadow lobbyists”, some of which were associated with big banks, payday lenders and large corporations.

    More profoundly, however, the reforms could help salve Americans’ justified skepticism regarding our “rigged” political system – and finally live up to the promise of one-person, one-vote. A no vote, on the other hand, would have the opposite effect: severely undermine the Democratic party’s legitimacy as a democratic party, and risk repeating the grave mistakes that got us where we are now.

    • Heather Gautney is the author of Crashing the Party: From the Bernie Sanders Campaign to a Progressive Movement (Verso) and an associate professor of sociology at Fordham University. She has served as a policy fellow and advisor to Senator Sanders, and was the Vermont representative to the Democratic Party Platform Committee.






    Our editorial independence means we set our own agenda and voice our own opinions. Guardian journalism is free from commercial and political bias and not influenced by billionaire owners or shareholders. This means we can give a voice to those less heard, explore where others turn away, and rigorously challenge those in power.
    I live and drink rum where other people vacation.

  23. #23
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Winnipeg MB
    Posts
    20,172

    Default Re: Do you think the Dems will rig the system again in 2020?

    Opinion pieces don't change the fact that parties can select their candidates any way they like.

    What are you doing about it?




  24. #24
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    afloat with at least 6' of water under me.
    Posts
    62,809

    Default Re: Do you think the Dems will rig the system again in 2020?

    Hey Geng, what about Trump making sure that he's the only Republican running? No competition and yet, one Republican is trying but, Trump doesn't want him on the ballot. Makes just as much sense as you do about rigging the election.

  25. #25
    Join Date
    Oct 1999
    Location
    St. Paul, MN, USA
    Posts
    54,068

    Default Re: Do you think the Dems will rig the system again in 2020?

    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Orca View Post
    Opinion pieces don't change the fact that parties can select their candidates any way they like.
    Exactly. A political party is not required by law, custom, or morality to select its candidates by a fair democratic popular vote. If the voters don't like it, they can vote for somebody else. Like Ms Gautney, you may not like the way they do it, and one could make a plausible case that other ways of selecting a candidate might make it more likely that voters in the general election would support the party's choice. But 'rigging the primaries' is utter hogwash.
    "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations,
    for nature cannot be fooled."

    Richard Feynman

  26. #26
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    downward bound
    Posts
    3,927

    Default Re: Do you think the Dems will rig the system again in 2020?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlanMc View Post
    it's almost comical who the d's are trotting out this go-around.
    everyone of them, bar Tulsi, would be a better President than donald trump.

    and that's the sad part of this joke.

  27. #27
    Join Date
    Oct 1999
    Location
    St. Paul, MN, USA
    Posts
    54,068

    Default Re: Do you think the Dems will rig the system again in 2020?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Conway View Post
    Every one of them, bar Tulsi, would be a better President than Donald Trump. And that's the sad part of this joke.
    I'd leave out the exception, and I'm certainly no fan of Ms Gabbard. Any adult citizen chosen at random would have good odds of making a better president than Donald Trump.
    "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations,
    for nature cannot be fooled."

    Richard Feynman

  28. #28
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Posts
    30,698

    Default Re: Do you think the Dems will rig the system again in 2020?

    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Wilson View Post
    I'd leave out the exception, and I'm certainly no fan of Ms Gabbard. Any adult citizen chosen at random would have good odds of making a better president than Donald Trump.
    Depends on what you consider 'good'.

    As a destroyer of liberal democracy, he's a wonder.
    Rattling the teacups.

  29. #29
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Posts
    2,867

    Default Re: Do you think the Dems will rig the system again in 2020?

    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Wilson View Post
    I'd leave out the exception, and I'm certainly no fan of Ms Gabbard. Any adult citizen chosen at random would have good odds of making a better president than Donald Trump.
    At this point the Democrats could elect a goldfish in a bowl with a "YES" and a "NO" placard on either side of his tank with the understanding that when asked a question as President that the goldfish's answer would be based on which placard he swam toward in response, I would still chose the goldfish for President as "Goldy" could do no worse than old "Moldy".

    And to the OP, the primary wasn't rigged, Bernie happened last time around to run as an independent in the Democratic primaries, the DNC owed him bupkis. Quit sleeping in the snow Graham, it's playing tricks with your brain.
    "Unrepentant Reprobate"
    Lew Barrett



  30. #30
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    downward bound
    Posts
    3,927

    Default Re: Do you think the Dems will rig the system again in 2020?

    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Wilson View Post
    I'd leave out the exception, and I'm certainly no fan of Ms Gabbard. Any adult citizen chosen at random would have good odds of making a better president than Donald Trump.
    I think she'd be more effective, but I think she's captive and kooky in ways similar to Trump. Tulsi's a great example of how much leeway the media and men give to a woman that is attractive.

  31. #31
    Join Date
    Apr 2002
    Location
    Mississippi Gulf Coast
    Posts
    761

    Default Re: Do you think the Dems will rig the system again in 2020?

    Every 10 years the GOP "rig the system" in Mississippi by redrawing the congressional districts. What's your point?
    Jack
    Nicotine free since 1 October 2009

  32. #32
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    Nebraska
    Posts
    22,816

    Default Re: Do you think the Dems will rig the system again in 2020?

    After that unfortunate incident with the electricity, I'd wondered what they'd done with Pavlov's puppies.
    There's a lot of things they didn't tell me when I signed on with this outfit....

  33. #33
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Hills of Vermont, USA
    Posts
    31,545

    Default Re: Do you think the Dems will rig the system again in 2020?

    Do you think Ohio doctors will learn how to re-implant ectopic pregnancies before your new bill goes into effect?
    "If it ain't broke, you're not trying." - Red Green

  34. #34
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Posts
    30,698

    Default Re: Do you think the Dems will rig the system again in 2020?

    Quote Originally Posted by Garret View Post
    Do you think Ohio doctors will learn how to re-implant ectopic pregnancies before your new bill goes into effect?
    And will the re-implanters be charged with murder when the mother dies?
    Rattling the teacups.

  35. #35
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Wow-Ming
    Posts
    18,925

    Default Re: Do you think the Dems will rig the system again in 2020?

    Freedom of worship is a complicated thing.

    We're merely mammals. Let's misbehave! óCole Porter

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •