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    america was founded by a bunch of entitled privileged white dudes that didn’t want to pay their taxes

    that’s who we are
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    That’s why DoNald needs so many lawyers.

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    And one who didn't want to go to jail for smuggling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
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    america was founded by a bunch of entitled privileged white dudes that didn’t want to pay their taxes

    that’s who we are
    Well, then, to heck with Phoenix, man!

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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    Well, then, to heck with Phoenix, man!

    Gitcherself to Somalia!
    What's inaccurate about Mr. Pless' comments? Well - after adding the smuggling piece.
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    Cynical.

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    Laws, including our constitution, are useless if not enforced.
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    I'm not arguing. Although there was a bit about religious freedom wasn't there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
    I'm not arguing. Although there was a bit about religious freedom wasn't there?

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    Well - the Puritans left England because they were persecuted there, but non Christian churches weren't exactly encouraged. It was more "practice any religion you want as long as it's Christian & not Catholic".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
    I'm not arguing. Although there was a bit about religious freedom wasn't there?

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    that came later
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    Cynicism is like beer, or chocolate ice cream, or ambition; a reasonable amount is delighful; an excess is very bad for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Wilson View Post
    Cynicism is like beer, or chocolate ice cream, or ambition; a reasonable amount is delighful; an excess is very bad for you.
    Yep.

    The American experiment was messy and compromised, including the unwillingness to address slavery which leads us to where we are today.

    It was one of our few moments of exceptionalism, which was admired and imitated widely. The fact that we don’t seem to be able to keep it doesn’t mean it wasn’t noble and, indeed, founded under a broad concept of rule of law rather than monarchy.

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    The Native People were fairly religious, but wer considered pagans by the Jesuits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
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    america was founded by a bunch of entitled privileged white dudes that didn’t want to pay their taxes

    that’s who we are
    Yes and no. It was taxation without representation. But they let the genie out of the bottle and have been living with it ever since. There has long been a push to make us better than our origins and I choose to believe we will still make it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    <yawn>

    america was founded by a bunch of entitled privileged white dudes that didn’t want to pay their taxes

    that’s who we are
    <yawn>

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Ross View Post
    It was one of our few moments of exceptionalism . . .
    Oxymoron. To be exceptional for a moment is not exceptionalism. Exceptionalism means exceptional by nature, every moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    <yawn>

    america was founded by a bunch of entitled privileged white dudes that didn’t want to pay their taxes

    that’s who we are
    And who wanted to keep their money and not let anyone else have as much as them. All Men are created equal (just white, land owning men, not women, not poor, certainly not black)
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Tabor (sailordave) View Post
    And who wanted to keep their money and not let anyone else have as much as them. All Men are created equal (just white, land owning men, not women, not poor, certainly not black)
    here’s the real crazy part, the men who started and organized and then led the rebellion were amongst the most free, wealthiest, most privileged non noble men anywhere on earth
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    Didn't most of the signers of the Declaration of Independence die poor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    here’s the real crazy part, the men who started and organized and then led the rebellion were amongst the most free, wealthiest, most privileged non noble men anywhere on earth
    They weren't free.
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    Unless the orange king wants to hold a bible up in front of a church for a photo op.Tear gas helps a lot.
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    Amerika, is being made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garret View Post
    What's inaccurate about Mr. Pless' comments? Well - after adding the smuggling piece.
    The fact that he discounted the Rule of Law is disingenuous at best.

    Until Trump reared its ugly head, everyone was equal before the law.

    More or less.

    King George WAS the Law.

    Our Constitution did away with kings, and had people answer to the Law, instead.

    Now, if one wants to be cynical about the US, that's out of my hands.

    If one wants to rail against the creeping fascism that insidiously invades every corner of this country, go ahead.

    Just don't expect me to give up on liberal democracy because others have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garret View Post
    Well - the Puritans left England because they were persecuted there, but non Christian churches weren't exactly encouraged. It was more "practice any religion you want as long as it's Christian & not Catholic".
    It was more "Practice any religion you want, so long as it's the Church of England."
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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    The fact that he discounted the Rule of Law is disingenuous at best.

    Until Trump reared its ugly head, everyone was equal before the law.

    More or less.

    King George WAS the Law.

    Our Constitution did away with kings, and had people answer to the Law, instead.

    Now, if you wanna be cynical about the US, that's out of my hands.

    If you want to rail against the creeping fascism that insidiously invades every corner of this country, go ahead.

    Just don't expect me to give up on liberal democracy because you have.
    I'm not giving up on it, but the glorification of the the people who instigated the Boston Tea Party is just silly. The were rising up against their lawful government after all & for a multitude of reasons - including avoiding debt & jail time.

    Yes, the Declaration & Constitution are pretty amazing documents - if you were white & Christian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    It was more "Practice any religion you want, so long as it's the Church of England."
    Actually, the Puritans had major issues with the C of E. It's why they left England.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garret View Post
    The were rising up against their lawful government . . .
    Not
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osborne Russell View Post
    Not
    Huh?

    We weren't colonies? King George was not our sovereign at the time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garret View Post
    Actually, the Puritans had major issues with the C of E. It's why they left England.

    Garrison Keillor of The Prairie Hime Companion once famously said words to the effect that

    "My ancestors were Puritans from England. They arrived here in 1648 in the hope of establishing greater religious restrictions than were permissible under English law at that time."
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    Saddens me that people have such a great ability to think, but tend to be ruled by emotions.

    First, the cops should have been arrested immediately; consider charges while they're in custody: no protests.

    When that didn't happen peaceful protests were organized.

    Predictably some came out to loot and destroy. Cops shot rubber bullets and tear gas at all.

    Wise thing was once the violence began, those involved in peaceful protest should have taken a break and stayed home, and let the cops and the looters have the streets.

    Once it settled down, peaceful protests form again. Or in different places.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholas Scheuer View Post
    The Native People were fairly religious, but wer considered pagans by the Jesuits.
    .......and the Jesuits and others like minded could learn a thing or two about their god from Chief Joseph in particular but also from my very limited understanding, the Sioux and from the original Australians. From their own knowledge and wisdom they could see from the earliest 'transactions' that the white man did not practice what he preached.......and still doesn't.

    One rule of law for "us" but it doesn't apply to "you" especially when it comes to land ownership....

    To be fair there where and are attempts, often from outliers amongst the invaders who had the heart of the message of their god or that common innate human knowing of what is just and what isn't, but then in matters of dispute the "law" would be applied and in application the "law" has no heart, instead the "law" has power and control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    King George WAS the law.
    Actually the British Parliament was the law, King George was not an absolute monarch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    The fact that he discounted the Rule of Law is disingenuous at best.

    Until Trump reared its ugly head, everyone was equal before the law.

    More or less.

    King George WAS the Law.

    Our Constitution did away with kings, and had people answer to the Law, instead.

    Now, if one wants to be cynical about the US, that's out of my hands.

    If one wants to rail against the creeping fascism that insidiously invades every corner of this country, go ahead.

    Just don't expect me to give up on liberal democracy because others have.
    Quote Originally Posted by Garret View Post
    I'm not giving up on it, but the glorification of the the people who instigated the Boston Tea Party is just silly. The were rising up against their lawful government after all & for a multitude of reasons - including avoiding debt & jail time.

    Yes, the Declaration & Constitution are pretty amazing documents - if you were white & Christian.
    My apologies, Garret. I left my grammar in my other pants, and have now edited my post to reflect more accurately the thoughts I wished to express.
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    Quote Originally Posted by L.A Marche View Post
    Actually the British Parliament was the law, King George was not an absolute monarch.
    I don't give a rippin' ratfreak if that SOB was God Almighty.

    NO MAN IS ABOVE THE LAW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garret View Post
    Huh?

    We weren't colonies? King George was not our sovereign at the time?
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