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  1. #71
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    Since the last post I have fibreglassed the inside of the hull, after a light sand over the hardened resin to remove anything that might catch the cloth while setting it up.



    The cloth wasn't wide enough to cover the entire interior, so I overlapped it down the centreline.
    I then resin coated it using a scraper to spread the resin around.



    I ran out of time to do the inside of the transoms so they have been done subsequently.
    The stern was done by spreading the resin with a foam roller and this was a much easier process than spreading with the scraper. Especially on a near vertical surface. The cloth sat down much tighter to the timber and there was far less resin in the weave.
    This was the last piece of cloth going onto the boat, so is only helpful to me for the next job.
    I am now up to resin coat number 3 on the hull and 2 on the transoms.
    I had a break over the weekend, so gave it a good scuff with sandpaper before continuing with the coats of epoxy.
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    Gorilla glue sounds good, but Titebond II is much better. The only purpose of the glue is to hold the boat together until it's glassed.
    I found fairing and glassing the inside of a boat twice as hard as the outside.
    The project is looking great!
    I was born on a wooden boat that I built myself.

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    Another light sand today before applying another coat of resin.
    It needs at least one more to the transoms, so it is getting faired as I go with a light sanding between coats.
    It will be Monday before I get back at it again.
    Nothing much to see though.

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    Ripping the Teak I got for the gunwales. I knew it would be pricey, but apparently $180NZ worth can be carried under one arm! What you see is what I got.
    It focuses the mind to the task, as I don't want to have to go back for more.




    Early morning starts for us to watch the America's Cup, but our boys got it done.
    Some pre-dawn bubbles in the shed seemed appropriate after watching at the Yacht Club.
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    As you can see I've been using photobucket for my image hosting.
    I wasn't a fan anyway, but it's all been said since the hijack.
    I'm undecided what I'm going to do going forward.
    I'm not interested in the same thing happening wherever I do go, which I guess is almost inevitable if I use another similar type of service.

    Anyway, I've steamed the outside rubbing strips for an hour and clamped them in place.
    The next chunk of time I get, I will be gluing them on.
    There are some photo's of what I did, just gotta pick a method of showing them.

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    Slacko, i've started using Google Photos for my pic hosting and it is quite easy

    sw
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    steve

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    Thanks for the encouragement Steve.
    How is this one looking from the yacht club today?


    That seemed to work!
    Team NZ are just classic. They came to the club, and lounged around on the outside furniture chatting to everyone enjoying the winter sun.
    The race crew obviously missed sailing on proper yachts, so took Josh Juniors classic out for a sail while they were there.
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    Getting back to the job at hand.

    I put the gunwales in my steamer for an hour with the last 400 sticking out of the end unfortunately.
    No photo of this somehow, even though I was waiting an hour for it to be ready.

    Then I whipped them out 1 at a time and clamped to the gunwales with plenty of clamps and blocks to protect the teak. I actually had extra clamps left over which I found a little confusing.




    I put the packers in at the 2 stations either side of the centre one to keep the shape. This worked well.
    I've just got to get back there now and carry on with the next step, glueing the gunwales on.
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    just the gray circle w/ a white bar in it

    sw
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    Test photo from one drive


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    Is the photo in the last post visible to anyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slacko View Post
    Is the photo in the last post visible to anyone?
    Yep.

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    Yes, I can see it.
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    I got the gunwales stuck on this afternoon.
    These went on pretty well for skinny pieces of twisted timber slathered in Epoxy glue being tortured onto the edge of the dinghy.
    There was a lot of springback from the steaming, but the bending effort was way more manageable than if I hadn't steamed them.
    I knew that I needed to degrease the teak before gluing, so had a hunt through my paint/chemicals bin.
    I decided that the epoxy thinners was the least likely of the options I had to inhibit the glue from working.
    I gave it a good rub down with that, changing the cloth regularly and called it good.
    If it falls off I'll try something else.

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    Not to rabbit trail too much here, but was going to mention White Salmon, as my daughter lives there. Beautiful little town. I am looking forward to sailing the number of lakes nearby when I finish the Tammie Norrie. (eventually!)

    Congrats on your progress, stay the course!
    Quote Originally Posted by David G View Post
    Keep those updates coming.

    In this case the 'White Salmon' comes from the town in Washington. Which is named for the nearby river. Which was named by Lewis & Clark when they noticed all the pale colored, spawned out, Chinook salmon clogging the river when they arrived in the area. They're nigh onto dead by that point, and no good for eating. But don't try and tell that to the eagles, crows, coyotes, etc.

    I've got a good friend who lives near there. Closer to the Klickitat river than the White Salmon. He's old... but not old enough, I don't believe, to have greeted Lewis & Clark when they showed up. He's talked with some local Natives who recall elders talking about that visit, though. And the natives still call the White Salmon river by its original name. The river was damned at one point - a few miles up from its confluence with the Columbia. The resulting 'Northwestern Lake' was the site of the first sail of one of our boats.

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    Today I glued on the scupper blocks after giving them a scrub with the epoxy thinners to give them a good gluing surface.
    I was only a couple of clamps short, so pretty good there.
    I always check for in the hardware store for clearance stock of clamps. I paid $5 each for most of the smaller F-clamps in shot, they only had 10 left.
    The scupper blocks are 100mm x 12 x 24 with 150 long ones where the rowlocks are going to be fitted. The longer ones for the rowlocks are screwed through the outer gunwale. The rowlocks were positioned as per the manual, so I just have to hope they are correct.
    The rowlocks I'm using are side mounted on the inside of the gunwale, so I guess I can move them a little if they aren't right.



    I have been held up a little by some massive high tides last week.
    The water was ankle deep at the front of the shed and almost lapping the back wall.
    Can you feedback if you can't see this picture. I am using one drive, which if it works will get the job done as I can sync from the phone and post from computer.
    Last edited by Slacko; 07-28-2017 at 02:56 AM.

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    Yes, I can see the picture. Good progress.
    Ian

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    Blocks glued on and waiting a bit of a sand to clean off the excess epoxy.


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    Today I got one of the inner Gunwales cut to size and clamped in place.
    I will get the other side ready before mixing glue so I do both sides at the same time.
    I wedged the 2 sides apart again, as when I checked the max width it was 5 mm less with the one side clamped in place.


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    LOOKIN GOOD

    i might suggest a softening of the under side corners of the inner wales prior to gluing

    the top corners can be softened after they are in place

    sharper corners abrade lines and fingers in use

    i like a quick pass w/ a 1/4 round over bit on a router

    butt good ole sandpaper will work

    no need to ask how i know this ;-)

    KEEP ON KEEPIN ON...

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    Oops, another distraction!



    It was free on Trademe and was only a kilometre down the road from home.
    Luckily there was a garage between where it was and my house so I could put air in the tyres!
    I can probably get out for a sail this weekend.
    There is enough spares to rig another set of hulls!
    It is a Paper Tiger, hard chine plywood designed in 1969 by R Given, and still has quite big fleets racing.
    Single handed, no jib or kites.

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    Today I cut the other inner Gunwale to fit and got them both glued in place after scrubbing the gluing surfaces with epoxy thinners.



    I've also cut the cleats for the middle seat to sit on and the post for the middle of this seat.
    Fitting the middle seat is the next trick.
    It then shows the height for the fwd and stern seats to be fitted.

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    Today I located the middle thwart cleats, shaped them so the tops were level for gluing the thwart on, then glued them on.



    I needed to get the dinghy level fore and aft, and side to side in the strops.
    I could then get the cleats level with each other, and measure the seat height.
    The clamping was from the manual and very effective.

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    I fitted the middle thwart today.
    I blocked the cleats up to the height of the top of the thwart, then measured the length at both edges.
    The cut was going to need about 6 mm of curve in the middle, so I gave it a generous cut with plenty of extra.
    I then laid the plank in place with the other end sitting on the gunwale. Using a piece of wood about 10 mm thick I followed the hull to get the correct curve.
    I then had to bevel the end to the hull.
    Then using the measurements taken earlier I repeated the exercise on the other side.
    I got brave and put the bevel on with the skilsaw and saved some time.
    Final result was pleasing.





    After sanding down to smooth and putting a radius the edges, I got this glued in with a post under the centre. I just need to fit knees onto the post and another pair up to the gunwales for this now.
    1 thwart plank fitted, 2 more to go.
    These have much more shape and bevel in them, so I am going to make plywood patterns.
    I got the cleat glued onto the transom for the seat before packing up for the day.

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    It's looking better and better every day!
    I was born on a wooden boat that I built myself.

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    Today I made a pattern of the stern seat out of ply, with a spacer to lift the ply to the top edge of the seat.



    Then I copied the pattern onto the plank and shaped it. I then had to bevel the bottom side to fit the shape of the hull.
    I ended up with this shape.



    Final photo of the thwart ready to be glued into place.
    That was lots of satisfying fiddling with the plane to get it to sit down nicely.


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    Photo on post 92 and from there on visible, nothing else.
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    Same for me with the photo's.
    I'm glad I didn't replace all of the lost ones to then lose them again.
    Onedrive obviously doesn't like remote hosting either.
    Looks like I need a new plan.

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    The boat's looking good.
    I use Flickr for my photos. It works, so far.
    Cheers, Ian

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    I'm kinda glad it stopped working after a couple of weeks not months/years.
    I'm struggling to stay interested in putting in the work on the forum thread for it to fall apart while I'm still building the boat.
    I've been involved in another forum that crashed and everything was lost, so I know nothing online is permanent.
    I started this thread as there weren't any other strip builds being documented here at the time.
    The feedback I get makes it a worthwhile exercise, so I'll change to flickr and see how we go.

    No work on boats today, I was in a race management seminar learning how to be a race officer.

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    Yes, doing the postings can be quite time-consuming, but I enjoy the feedback. It's kind of like being part of an international community.
    Ian
    “Old Joke: ‘A bench fitter works to the nearest thousandth of an inch. A loco fitter (steam) works to the nearest inch. A shipwright works to the nearest ship’.”
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    “...old maxim, 'A fair line supersedes any given measurement'.”
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    Yesterday I glued the 2 thwarts in either end after lots of shaping with the Block plane.
    [IMG]20170815_140453 by Craig Slack, on Flickr[/IMG]

    Today I make all the knees ready for gluing in tomorrow.

    [IMG]20170816_135435 by Craig Slack, on Flickr[/IMG]

    [IMG]20170816_142159 by Craig Slack, on Flickr[/IMG]

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    I got the knees glued in today and bought some varnish.
    That is the last wood to go into the hull, so I am definitely into the finishing part of the build.
    I scraped 1/2 the interior glass and knocked the high spots down. Once I've done the other side I can give it a light sand with 100 grit.
    I also need to clean off some glue from the inner gunwale and the knees, then the varnishing can begin.

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    A fine set of knees.
    Ian

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    I finished scraping and sanding the interior ready for varnish and the gunwales ready for oiling.

    [IMG]20170818_142449 by Craig Slack, on Flickr[/IMG]

    [IMG]20170818_142503 by Craig Slack, on Flickr[/IMG]

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