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  1. #36
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    More of the same today.
    I was concermed about tapering the strips once I got down to the side, but they are going well so far.



    This is where I am up to now.



    My pile of sticks is getting smaller, so I may have to cut some more.

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    There was a bump appearing on one of the forms which I had been looking at for a couple of days.
    I removed some of the staples at this form and the strips lifted off to give a far better shape.
    I was thinking about what I was going to use to pack out the form at this area. It needed to be thin and flexible.
    Right under my feet I noticed some leaves from the cabbage trees that drop all over the place in our yard.
    Perfect! I cut them into lengths and stapled them in place, starting with 5 layers at the bottom and tapering out to 3 at the top.



    It just shows that everything has a solution, you just have to wait for it to appear.

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    Today I made "Muri" waterproof.
    The portside first.



    Then the whiskey "chopstick" on the starboard side.



    I ended up with a small pile of sticks left, so pretty good estimate from the pile of recycled weatherboards!



    Tomorrow is staple removing and start the fairing process with a plane.
    A boat will appear from the mess of glue and staples.

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    The first job today was to pull all the staples.
    There were a few that snapped off, which will play havoc with the plane, but I will deal with them as I find them.



    I then sanded the glue off, which also exposed the staples that I missed.
    Then I went at it with the plane, wishing at times that I had tried a little harder to get the strips more level with each other.



    This was a very satisfying part of the job, exposing the timber contrasts and grain.

    I didn't realise at the time of using it that this strip was going to be a problem. The grain runout from it caused it to split when the plane hit it and large chunks flew off.
    The multitool will have to be retrieved from the boatshed and a new piece scarfed into place in this spot.



    I was pretty pleased with the outcome of today's efforts, and am looking forward to getting into the other side once I have patched up the booboo.
    Those gaps with the glue showing will need to be scraped out a bit so the epoxy can get in there and they will disappear to some degree.



    I was reading Nick Schades book on this type of construction and of this stage of the build he says "The goal is not to put a fine finish on the boat but to begin to remove the ugliness".

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    I had 1/2 an hour before dinner, so got the booboo cut out with the multitool.

    After this photo I cleaned it up with a chisel. I managed to get the chisel into the glueline and the brittle glue chipped away leaving the cove and bead edges.
    I found a strip that colour matched, avoiding the runout on this piece so it didn't do the same again. It looked like it is from the same piece.
    Afte a bit of adjustment with the plane it wedged in there pretty well with some glue and staples.


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    I see that the photo's have disappeared for me. Hopefully this will sort itself out coz I've not changed or moved anything in photobucket.
    Update;
    The photo's have reappeared thankfully. I wasn't looking forward to putting them back in again.
    Last edited by Slacko; 04-12-2017 at 02:21 AM.

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    It got the repair cleaned up and planed to the same level as the rest of the hull.





    I then planed the Starboard side of hull. No repairs needed here thank goodness.



    The last job for the day was trimming back the strips at the transoms.
    I still need to put a radius on the strips, but still thinking about the best way to do it.
    I'm thinking about sanding, so I don't get any tearout.
    Really looking like a boat now. Ready to go!

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    Today I mixed up some epoxy, sawdust from the vacuum cleaner and some West glue powder.
    I didn't need much sawdust to get something like the correct colour into the filler.
    I then filled all the gaps between the strips.



    The next 2 days I am racing in the traileryacht nationals that are being held in Wellington.
    Today was cancelled with the tailend of a cyclone passing through.
    So Monday I will get the filler sanded back and get a seal coat over the hull prior to glassing it.
    As far as I can tell from the manual I need to put layers of 6 oz cloth down each side that overlap at the middle, and then another layer over the bottom.

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    Not too much progress since the last post.
    I've sanded the filler back, then washed the hull down to find the unseen glue residue that shows white when wet.
    I pencil marked these for later sanding once dried again.
    I've since got one side remedied and hand sanded with 40 grit inline with the grain.

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    Nice design, and a good job, Slacko!
    Ian
    Old Joke: ‘A bench fitter works to the nearest thousandth of an inch. A loco fitter (steam) works to the nearest inch. A shipwright works to the nearest ship’.”
    Alan Byde, Canoe Design and Construction, Pelham Books, 1978

    “...old maxim, 'A fair line supersedes any given measurement'.”
    Allan H. Vaitses, Lofting, International Marine, 1980

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    Shape looks good Slacko, I always love it when a stripper is cleaned up.

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    I managed to spend an hour finishing cleaning up the glue marks with 40 grit, sanding with the grain.
    I didn't longboard, so also did some sanding at 30 degrees to the grain to knock off some bumps as I went.
    They were mostly where I had filled gaps with glue. These areas being harder than the timber around them needed some extra attention.

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    Today I got my roll of 200 gsm boatcloth out and laid out 2 pieces for each side of the hull. They will overlap at the centre of the boat. I was 300 mm short on the second piece so a trip to the chandlery was in order.



    I have been flopping back and forward whether to seal the hull with epoxy and let it dry before putting the cloth on with the extra day and some sanding before doing the fibreglassing, putting the cloth on dry and wetting out, or coating the hull in epoxy and laying the cloth on wet. The last option is what I normally do.
    I was worried about the hull gasing out when the cloth is on causing bubbles under the fibreglass.
    The lack of enough cloth decided it for me and I painted on a layer of resin which I will glass tomorrow.
    I'm glad I did because as the resin soaked into the small gaps in the strips the air bubbled out! I was able to brush the bubbles off after 30 minutes or so.



    This is how she looks now waiting for the glass tomorrow.
    The glass that I'm using has some colour in it due to the hardener, so it makes the cedar a bit darker than it would be otherwise, but I'm hoping it will not harm the overall look.

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    Looking good, Slacko!
    Ian

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    Thanks Ian.
    I scrubbed with scotchbrite pad and water this morning to remove any potential bloom.
    I then hit it with a RO sander and 80 grit. Not ready yet! I will try again this afternoon.

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    The epoxy had hardened off this morning enough to hand sand it with 80 grit.
    I then laid the cloth over one side and wet it out with epoxy.
    I still had some time, so got the other sides cloth on with a bit of slipping and sliding as there is about 500mm overlap of the 2 layers.
    This side was then also wet out.
    I used a plastic scraper to spread the epoxy out, and a chip brush to add more resin where the 2 layer overlapped and there were some dry patches.



    I need to get some foam rollers to add the extra coats to fill the weave and give a sanding buffer.
    Not that I have to rush with this, as the weather is cold enough that one coat a day would be possible.

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    I'm up to 4 coats of epoxy, last one tomorrow morning before work.
    I have made a booboo with my choice of epoxy though. The hardener I'm using has a lot of colour in it and the timber is now pretty dark with poor grain definition.
    I'm kinda OK with it, but will try to get hold of something that is more clear to do the inside.
    I will probably end up antifouling the below the waterline, because it will stay in the water for up to 3 weeks over Summer getting towed around the Marlborough Sounds.
    There would be significant growth over this time.
    No photo's at this stage sorry.

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    Today I shaped and glued on the skeg. I found some Eucalyptus in my pile that will do the job nicely.

    In progress. It is pretty tough stuff but takes edge tools pretty well. After knocking off the cuts with a chisel I trimmed down to the line with a spokeshave. It took a bit of fine tuning after to get it to fit the boat.


    I then glued it on with epoxy, Glue powder and some sawdust to give it some colour.

    I will need to steam the keel rubbing strip as it is 19 x 19 eucalyptus which appears able to support my weight over 2 metres!
    Should be a fun day tomorrow.
    1. Build a steamer
    2. Take the shape of the boat and build a form to bend around
    3. Steam the eucalyptus
    4. Wrestle it into the form

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    So yesterday I got a wallpaper steamer from Cash converters (pawnshop) 1/2 price for the same unit from Wagner.
    I attached a radiator hose to it, and built a box from some ply I found in the rack. Okuume, but I'm not sure that matters really.

    This is the box without the lid on. I put some little cleats down the box to let the steam get at the underside of plank being steamed.


    This is the finished rig.



    A bit fuzzy sorry.
    I attaché some blocks to my workbench in the shape of the underside of dinghy.
    I then bent a bit of scrap cedar to test the shape. It needs to be pretty close as it is glued on without fasteners.
    I adjusted the blocks a little, and the keel strip is 1/2 way though it's 1 hour steaming.
    Fingers crossed!

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    That's interesting. Thanks for showing us.
    Ian

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    The eucalyptus keel rubbing strip had a quite different feel when bending compared to the cedar.
    I thought initially it wasn't going to make the bend until I increased the pressure on it. It then very slowly conformed to the shape without having to increase the pressure again.
    Clamped up a ready for a night on the rack.



    It sprang back about 10 mm as I had allowed for so it will fit pretty well once I have shaved a bit out of one section.

    Winter came with a vengeance over the weekend, we had snow on the hills across the harbour from us.
    I was already planning to move the dinghy to the boat shed in town which has power the included in rental cost.
    This will allow me to heat it and keep using epoxy.
    I got the move done on Saturday, so will get back into it on Monday.

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